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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic
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You're coming off as hostile and immature.

Clear your attitude and I might be willing to actually carry on this conversation.

Not that carrying a conversation is what your motives are, is it?

That is kind of funny, you telling me what I have to do to continue a conversation with you. What makes you think you are so important to me?

Sorry, he's being extremely passive aggressive. He's not "anti-war" but anti-American, and I can see where he's trying to lead the conversation, whether it's intentional or not. Most likely he's choosing to reply to my post because he sees I am American military, which he automatically assumes I'm pro war and pro US government.

You got that right, I am not "anti-war" . I am anti-psychopaths and since the US is a nation of psychopaths, you wouldn't be wrong for describing me as "anti-American" either, at least for the now.

Until now, I didn't know you were military. I respond to posts and their content and not persons. Here, on this forum, I never bothered to track individual posters and their preferences or behaviours let alone their personal details like profession.

I do not agree with the Iran war, but # happens. It's the nature of the beast. Humans are violent by nature. If Iran fires the first shot, we will be defending ourselves.

The US is not even within the firing distance of Iran. So how could Iran possibly fire a first shot against US, unless of course, you station your weapony and manpower within an attacking distance of Iran in the first place? Nice way to "defend" yourselves, I should say.

There is no war unless both sides are willing to fight. No one is in the right.

Right! If someone comes armed to your house to rob you and you resist and indulge in a fight, no one would be in the right.




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by Rapha
'Its the nature of the beast'. So its natural that humans will never evolve. The only difference now is that the wooden club is a high-tech metal club wielded by ape men.

Several human societies have already evolved. Unfortunately they are not the ones with the biggest guns now. Those with the biggest guns refuse to evolve. Not a big issue, it only takes so much time for the rest to realise that these beasts can get only worse and need to be taken out immediately. On that day no arguments are necessary. It will not be pretty, but necessary for evolved human beings to survive on the planet.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Observor

That is kind of funny, you telling me what I have to do to continue a conversation with you. What makes you think you are so important to me?


The fact that you took the time to pick my posts out of any one else's, and that you keep replying. Durr.



You got that right, I am not "anti-war" . I am anti-psychopaths and since the US is a nation of psychopaths, you wouldn't be wrong for describing me as "anti-American" either, at least for the now.


It's funny how you still categorize people based on the leaders of the nation. Just because Iran chooses to stone women to death in public in front of children for anything they deem worthy, and a lot of things about their religious practices are just plain #ed up, doesn't mean I categorize all Iranian people the same. I'm aware that Iranians are people too. This is ignorance on your part.



Until now, I didn't know you were military. I respond to posts and their content and not persons. Here, on this forum, I never bothered to track individual posters and their preferences or behaviours let alone their personal details like profession.


Oh, please mistake me for assuming that the "Marines" avatar was a dead give away. I find this one a bit hard to believe.




The US is not even within the firing distance of Iran. So how could Iran possibly fire a first shot against US, unless of course, you station your weapony and manpower within an attacking distance of Iran in the first place? Nice way to "defend" yourselves, I should say.


Well if you knew as much as you're pretending to know, then you'd also know the US has a naval base in Manama, Bahrain, which is accessed through the strait of Hormuz, in which Iran is claiming to use "full force" if we attempt to go through.



Right! If someone comes armed to your house to rob you and you resist and indulge in a fight, no one would bec in the right.


Not applicable. Unless that "someone" is a roommate and not a random stranger.

Besides, this isn't about private turf. It is international law that there be freedom of navigation. The fact that they feel so threatened speaks volumes.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by Rapha
I'm not sure on the point you're trying to make. Please clarify without using metaphors.
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America has been provoking Iran to attack US forces for many years now. Example, edition.cnn.com...

"U.S. officials are impudently threatening Iran with use of force in blatant contravention of international law and the basic principles of United Nations Charter," Mohammad Javad Zarif said in the letter.

"U.S. threats against Iran have found new dimension to the extent that U.S. dailies are publishing stories about possibility of aggression on Iran and whether the U.S. would use nuclear arms against Iran and the U.S. officials do not reject such stories," the letter said.


In other words, America has a loaded gun pressed against Iran's forehead just itching for the smallest excuse to pull the trigger.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:45 AM
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Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Alright, much better.

Politicians will be politicians, but talk is cheap. All Iran has to do is not close the strait or attack our ships just because they feel threatened. If they do, they'd have a lot more to worry about than just the United States.

Especially if they close the strait. Damn near close the entire world will be angry with Iran then.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Jerisa
 


Poke the bear..
Slap the bear..
Kick the bear..

Eventually we will shoot the bear.


You better shoot to kill because when that particular bear wakes up it will tear your from limb to limb. And I'm not talking about poking Iran either.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic

Originally posted by Observor

That is kind of funny, you telling me what I have to do to continue a conversation with you. What makes you think you are so important to me?


The fact that you took the time to pick my posts out of any one else's, and that you keep replying. Durr.

I was responding to a post. But now, of course, I am in a conversation




You got that right, I am not "anti-war" . I am anti-psychopaths and since the US is a nation of psychopaths, you wouldn't be wrong for describing me as "anti-American" either, at least for the now.


It's funny how you still categorize people based on the leaders of the nation. Just because Iran chooses to stone women to death in public in front of children for anything they deem worthy, and a lot of things about their religious practices are just plain #ed up, doesn't mean I categorize all Iranian people the same. I'm aware that Iranians are people too. This is ignorance on your part.

When leaders who launch psychopathic invasions of countries keep getting reelected, we are supposed to believe their actions have nothing to do with the people and their preferences?




Until now, I didn't know you were military. I respond to posts and their content and not persons. Here, on this forum, I never bothered to track individual posters and their preferences or behaviours let alone their personal details like profession.


Oh, please mistake me for assuming that the "Marines" avatar was a dead give away. I find this one a bit hard to believe.

I don't notice avatars either. But yes, this made me look and, of course, it says USMC




The US is not even within the firing distance of Iran. So how could Iran possibly fire a first shot against US, unless of course, you station your weapony and manpower within an attacking distance of Iran in the first place? Nice way to "defend" yourselves, I should say.


Well if you knew as much as you're pretending to know, then you'd also know the US has a naval base in Manama, Bahrain, which is accessed through the strait of Hormuz, in which Iran is claiming to use "full force" if we attempt to go through.

After the US declared its intentions to attack Iran, every US military vessel that moves close enough to Iran border as to be able to launch an attack should be treated as hostile. The fact that these aircraft carriers are not normally stationed in that base doesn't help.



Right! If someone comes armed to your house to rob you and you resist and indulge in a fight, no one would bec in the right.


Not applicable. Unless that "someone" is a roommate and not a random stranger.

Besides, this isn't about private turf. It is international law that there be freedom of navigation. The fact that they feel so threatened speaks volumes.

Aircraft carriers have only purpose, military attacks. If Russian aircraft carriers were moving in international waters of the US coast, US would be threatened too and respond appropriately. Anyone with an intelligence more than an 8 year-old understands that.

If the US is not looking for a confrontation, there is no reason for the US aircraft carriers to be in the Persian Gulf.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic
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Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking?

I am not from the West. Although I lived in the US for a few years, have been back in my country since the US invaded Iraq.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by BLV12

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Jerisa
 


Poke the bear..
Slap the bear..
Kick the bear..

Eventually we will shoot the bear.


You better shoot to kill because when that particular bear wakes up it will tear your from limb to limb. And I'm not talking about poking Iran either.

I am betting on the bear waking up too



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by Observor
When leaders who launch psychopathic invasions of countries keep getting reelected, we are supposed to believe their actions have nothing to do with the people and their preferences?



Judging by the acts of these politicians, would it surprise you if I said we are given the illusion of democracy, and that we don't REALLY choose who is elected? Look how our government controlled media seems to ignore the only sensible candidate. Please, have some common sense. Obama is not liked over here. You don't see anyone running around with a "HOPE" or "CHANGE" shirt any more.



After the US declared its intentions to attack Iran, every US military vessel that moves close enough to Iran border as to be able to launch an attack should be treated as hostile. The fact that these aircraft carriers are not normally stationed in that base doesn't help.


WHAT?

That base BELONGS to the fifth fleet, which the John C. Stennis is a part of.




Aircraft carriers have only purpose, military attacks.


Yes, if need be.


If Russian aircraft carriers were moving in international waters of the US coast, US would be threatened too and respond appropriately. Anyone with an intelligence more than an 8 year-old understands that.


You're right. Russians don't have a base anywhere near here. Do you understand that one?



If the US is not looking for a confrontation, there is no reason for the US aircraft carriers to be in the Persian Gulf.


Besides the base in Manama, Bahrain....
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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Pretty sure he's referring to a literal bear.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:48 AM
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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Iran will not attack because they know if they do....that will be the end of their regime. Plus there are MILLIONS of Iranian Youth just looking for payback against the Iranian Religious police. Iran has the largest disparity between young and old in the world and these Iranian youths can't wait till the old guard dies out.

If Iran were to do something stupid. The USN 5th fleet would destroy their navy their airforce and all costal installations. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:03 AM
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From what I know from a guy who works in the russian military,Russia has no interest in Iran,China has its interests.But Russia has interests in Syria and any western attack will culminate into limited or full blown warfare depending on how much much the Pentagon and the shadow govt of the USA is willing to up the ante.

According to him Pentagon is not interested in this but the corporate elite and the shadow govt. is interested in eradicating what it perceives as economic,political or military competitors to its ideology. So if USA attacks Iran ,He says that China will be involved only,but if Syria is invaded then its USA vs Russia in a matter of time.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic

Originally posted by Observor
When leaders who launch psychopathic invasions of countries keep getting reelected, we are supposed to believe their actions have nothing to do with the people and their preferences?



Judging by the acts of these politicians, would it surprise you if I said we are given the illusion of democracy, and that we don't REALLY choose who is elected? Look how our government controlled media seems to ignore the only sensible candidate. Please, have some common sense. Obama is not liked over here. You don't see anyone running around with a "HOPE" or "CHANGE" shirt any more.

I don't buy it.



After the US declared its intentions to attack Iran, every US military vessel that moves close enough to Iran border as to be able to launch an attack should be treated as hostile. The fact that these aircraft carriers are not normally stationed in that base doesn't help.


WHAT?

That base BELONGS to the fifth fleet, which the John C. Stennis is a part of.




Aircraft carriers have only purpose, military attacks.


Yes, if need be.


If Russian aircraft carriers were moving in international waters of the US coast, US would be threatened too and respond appropriately. Anyone with an intelligence more than an 8 year-old understands that.


You're right. Russians don't have a base anywhere near here. Do you understand that one?



If the US is not looking for a confrontation, there is no reason for the US aircraft carriers to be in the Persian Gulf.


Besides the base in Manama, Bahrain....

I am not talking about whether you can pretend the aircraft carrier has a business entering the straits. Of course, you can pretend. But doesn't fool anyone over 8 years.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by Observor
 


Alright, so what's your country then?

Unless you're choosing to hide that because you'd rather bash another country without getting your ass handed to you.

I don't "hide" it, anymore than I "hide" my name. Where I am from or what my name is have no bearing on what I say. This is a discussion board, not a social network.

But I totally understand Americans who cannot defend the psychopathic nature of their country wanting to divert attention away from their country and its behaviour and I don't see any reason why I should oblige. If you are desperate, find a willing mod who can figure out my IP and hence my location.





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