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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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reply to post by BO XIAN
 


Israel becoming a nation was not predicted. The Jews coming together was.

Israel cannot be a nation unless it follows all the rules of the Old Testament.

They do not. They are not Israel. They are just another nation with a name.

End times are nowhere near now. Perhaps later. Not now.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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I will watch the video shortly.

As for your stab at the Marines; HA HA FUNNY.



You are correct about their meanings. Unfortunately Islam's way to peace is to 'rid the world of tyranny' which obviously makes Israel its prime target and most likely the United States based on the actions of our government.


“Today, we should define our economic, cultural and political policies based on the policy of Imam Mahdi’s return.”
-Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad



“We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return.”
-Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad




In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi (Arabic: مهدي‎ / ISO 233: mahdī / English: Guided One) is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for seven, nine or nineteen years- (according to various interpretations)[1] before the Day of Judgment (yawm al-qiyamah / literally, the Day of Resurrection)[2] and, alongside Jesus, will rid the world of wrongdoing, injustice and tyranny.


(Source)




"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)



Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)


That coupled with Judaism's conflicting views makes me nervous.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Gilad is former IDF and was able to admit what he was doing was morally wrong and got out of dodge. Is he even aloud back in Israel?

Serve your country and speak out against their crimes and they will not let you back in. I imagine he would face jail time if he went back.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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If you are for peace, why do you defend a country that both funds and harbors Terrorists. Just because the groups they support don't wear uniforms does not mean Iran is not in other countries attempting to topple or control them. Not to mention the clear statements by Iranian leaders.

Sitting on a fence is hard on the groin. Propaganda is easy to spread, but hard to defend.

What percentage of the worlds Jews do you personally think are Zionists? I'm not fishing for an "I don't know" but instead what you believe when alone inside your head. All, nearly all, half, a fourth, a tiny percentage? Ballpark figure?



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Still not one poster here can explain to us all why no Israeli troops served in Iraq or Afganastan? I thought they were fighting the War on terror as well? I think it's a fair question. Anybody have an answer? I don't bash Israel at all, but this question has bothered me for years. Why not? ~SheopleNation



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation
Still not one poster here can explain to us all why no Israeli troops served in Iraq or Afganastan? I thought they were fighting the War on terror as well? I think it's a fair question. Anybody have an answer? I don't bash Israel at all, but this question has bothered me for years. Why not? ~SheopleNation


For the same reason that the west kept israel out of the 1st gulf war even though Iraq was throwing scuds at it. They don't want it to turn into a holy war. And if Israel gets involved it would become a holy war. The Muslims just won't take Israel being involved.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by BRAVO949
Hmmm, contrary to what my air force friends say maybe there are a few smart marines!

A couple of points.

Iran scary - scores about 1.

Israel scary - scores 11 on the ten point scale.

The word Israel means "struggles with God."


There's alot of different meanings going on the context of the translation.. Israel also means children of God. Just because you chose that one doesn't make anymore valid than other interpretations.




Islam means "peace."


The words Islam and Muslim come from the same 3 letter root word (s,l and m) in arabic. Islam by definition means surrender and submission only to the one true creator. A muslim by definition means one who surrenders and submits to the laws of God

The word SPIN roughly translates to being selective in how you present something.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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I know alot about history and this has nothing to do with arms sales. It has everything to do with the zionist agenda to take over the middle east, install western banks and destabilize the region to start another world war. War is the only option they have left if they carry on with there current economic plans to devalue the dollar. I'm british and I can say you are an enemy of the founding fathers of your country. When you start changing your constitution it leads you down a very dangerous road.



It guarantees certain rights and liberties, but America has virtually no track record of just who those rights and liberties go to.


American Citizens just as the founding fathers intended them for.



And virtually no guarantee of them being present in war time.


The constitution guarantees these rights at all times. There is nothing in the constitution that says these rights are not guaranteed in times of war. So you are just making up your own rhetoric which is completely false.



Time tests all nations. And the US has stood it. It will survive.


One word - Delusional.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Still not one poster here can explain to us all why no Israeli troops served in Iraq or Afganastan? I thought they were fighting the War on terror as well? I think it's a fair question. Anybody have an answer? I don't bash Israel at all, but this question has bothered me for years. Why not? ~SheopleNation


For the same reason that the west kept israel out of the 1st gulf war even though Iraq was throwing scuds at it. They don't want it to turn into a holy war. And if Israel gets involved it would become a holy war. The Muslims just won't take Israel being involved.


BS! NATO was(and still is) in the middle east fighting "to steal" territory/influence from the russian/chineese empire and to help suppress islamic extremism YET israel cannot be bothered to help itself whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Saddam launches scuds and the israelis default to nato for assistance. Iran threatens israel and again israel defaults to nato and the un. In fact during the seven day conflict israel had the chance to obliterate all the arab dictatorships and they succombed to the un pressuring them for a seize fire.

I see the pattern very clearly. Israel is not allowed to defend itself and protect its national security because the objective is not preventing a holly war, it is about starting one! Something that lingers on and on and on will eventually backfire in your face and a lot of other peoples' face as well. When national security is at stake you use whatever means necessary to defend yourself and your interests. I don't care if it involves a ground campaign or nukes.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by Gorman91
 


I know alot about history and this has nothing to do with arms sales. It has everything to do with the zionist agenda to take over the middle east, install western banks and destabilize the region to start another world war. War is the only option they have left if they carry on with there current economic plans to devalue the dollar. I'm british and I can say you are an enemy of the founding fathers of your country. When you start changing your constitution it leads you down a very dangerous road.


If zionism was about invading the entire middle east and "installing western banks" boooyyyy did they fail!!!

Israel cannot even defend its own territory. Open a map of the entire middle east and look at it closely. How much land mass does judaism have in relation to islam? And I am not even supporting a non-secular israel!

Read about the two state solution and who is the one promoting it constantly. Why have multiple ghettos, each isolated from each other, when arabs/christians/jews can learn to co-exist? It is not like this is not happening in lebanon already or other non-secular countries......

Like I said some people live in a dellusional world, but I am not one of those!



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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I know alot about history and this has nothing to do with arms sales. It has everything to do with the zionist agenda to take over the middle east, install western banks and destabilize the region to start another world war. War is the only option they have left if they carry on with there current economic plans to devalue the dollar. I'm british and I can say you are an enemy of the founding fathers of your country. When you start changing your constitution it leads you down a very dangerous road.


Zionist is desire for a Hebrew state. What you people have manipulated that word to mean is everything under the sun. If you're unwilling to pick up a dictionary, don't speak.




American Citizens just as the founding fathers intended them for.


Who defines citizen?

See. No track record.




The constitution guarantees these rights at all times. There is nothing in the constitution that says these rights are not guaranteed in times of war. So you are just making up your own rhetoric which is completely false.


Why allow amendments then. It's perfectly possible to amend out those rights and privileges. They were, after all, amended in. Nothing in the constitution is permanent beyong it's established causes.




We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


There have been times in US history when rights and privileges were rescinded for a period of time in order to provide for that general welfare and security. Neither of us I suspect agree with that, but it is within the right of the elected to do so.




One word - Delusional.


This coming from you? No offense, but you've been called the same by myself and practically everyone on this board at one time or another for your views. You are hardly the judge of character of ATS.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by BRAVO949
APOD - I am not just addressing this to you but to the entire segment of American society that think and acts the way you do.

People from all around the world are reading this and many of them are thinking, "Wow, Americans just don't get it!"

You don't get it



But, I do feel sorry for all of you men and women who have been sucked into thinking you are fighting for your country and I actually don't want you to even get shot at let alone killed.

If instead of spending one trillion dollars on military crap and intel BS we spent it on education we would not have to explain to a 25 year old why siding with Israel and attacking Iran is an immoral, unwise and the exact opposite of what Christianity is all about


This is the same type of BS propaganda that the Japanese and Germans used against our troops and citizens during WWII. The same type of hate-filled diatribe that provoked American citizens to spit on and attack U.S. military service members when they returned from Viet Nam. I get the distnict impression from you that you would criticize any military action by our country anywhere in the world, regardless of whether we were taking that action at the request of the country we were entering, (Afghanistan, Israel, Viet Nam). So, because you're view point is so skewered against American military actions in the world and because you are so anti-Israel, I just have to ask: are you pro-Al Queda and pro-Taliban? I only ask because you seem to hate Israel & the American military so much and you are spouting the same type of anti-American drivel we hear from them all the time. Not very patriotic, IMO.

...and by the way, siding with Israel and attacking her enemies is not "the exact opposite of what Christianity is all about" But you wouldn't know this because you have probably never picked up a bible in your entire life. If you had you would know that God has very expressly stated in the Old and New Testaments that those who bless Israel will also be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed and that those who come to israel's defense in times of trouble will be equally blessed..
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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B949....Without getting into mudslinging....people who have been there....the Middle East...such as my BUD PLAD...Myself...and I believe APO....understand how screwed up life is there unless you are Leadership or are part of a Religious higherarchy.

If you are a WOMAN....forget it...life is Hell there. If you are poor and uneducated....you tend to get indoctrinated with whatever terorist group that will feed you. Think about this...young males...in some countries...cannot drink, have sex unless married...but to get a wife you need money....no porn...no fun.

Of course they are going to join up with a group that says...do this and you will live in paradise with whatever large number of virgin women.

THEY ARE LIVING IN THE STONE AGE! Even the developed countries have laws that by our standards are like being in prison. It does not take much for a group of poor people to be convinced that it is not THEIR leaders that are responsible for their conditions....but it is the GREAT SATAN!

You really don't understand how screwed up it is. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 01:21 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by BO XIAN
 


Israel becoming a nation was not predicted. The Jews coming together was.

Israel cannot be a nation unless it follows all the rules of the Old Testament.

They do not. They are not Israel. They are just another nation with a name.


There are NO Old Testament prophecies that promise a nation of Israel in the way that you imply. Also, it is important to note that Israel does not refer to herself as a nation but as a state. What God DID promise was that they would be a nation in the sense that they would be brought back together as one people united in one place, that place being the land that had been promised to them by God, through Abraham. (Genesis 18:18; Deuteronomy 30:1-5 ;Jeremiah 16:14-15; Isaiah 11:10-12; Ezekial 37:21-22) There are more but the ones I noted are sufficient for this particular prophecy. All prophescies regarding Israel being brought back together as one people have been fulfilled by the establishment by the State of Israel. The only prophecies yet to be fulfilled deal with Israel during the last days.

God also promised that the land they inherited would be transformed and that gardens and orchards would be created from the desert and that their



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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Still not one poster here can explain to us all why no Israeli troops served in Iraq or Afganastan? I thought they were fighting the War on terror as well? I think it's a fair question. Anybody have an answer? I don't bash Israel at all, but this question has bothered me for years. Why not? ~SheopleNation


For the same reason that the west kept israel out of the 1st gulf war even though Iraq was throwing scuds at it. They don't want it to turn into a holy war. And if Israel gets involved it would become a holy war. The Muslims just won't take Israel being involved.


BS! NATO was(and still is) in the middle east fighting "to steal" territory/influence from the russian/chineese empire and to help suppress islamic extremism YET israel cannot be bothered to help itself whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Saddam launches scuds and the israelis default to nato for assistance. Iran threatens israel and again israel defaults to nato and the un. In fact during the seven day conflict israel had the chance to obliterate all the arab dictatorships and they succombed to the un pressuring them for a seize fire.

I see the pattern very clearly. Israel is not allowed to defend itself and protect its national security because the objective is not preventing a holly war, it is about starting one! Something that lingers on and on and on will eventually backfire in your face and a lot of other peoples' face as well. When national security is at stake you use whatever means necessary to defend yourself and your interests. I don't care if it involves a ground campaign or nukes.

BS. All you see is conspiracies and a need to disagree with anything that goes against your flawed logic.

Israel wanted to hit back at Iraq in the first gold war but the U.S talked them into staying out of it. GET LEARNED.
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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I would argue they were fulfilled before Jesus. God said he would leave the temple and flow through all the land.

Where is it said israel as a nation must exist before the end times?



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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perfect.. just the right time for armageddon..


you see how history creates a story ,and future generations make it a reality..



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Kind of like going to a psychic, and then doing the whole "self-fulfilling prophecy" thing.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Ah yes, another grand irony of history reveals itself in a tremendous, yet horrifying fashion. The Islamic Republic of Iran-- the homeland of what some thousand of years ago had been the Persian Empire. The same Empire, under which Cyrus the Great had once released the Israelite people from the oppressive Babylonians, now finds itself toe-to-toe with those very same people. Oh, the sweet, sweet surrealist irony.

Now, thousands of years later we find these same two nations on the brink of dragging the entire globe into a unnecessary, petty (on the grander scale of things, really), and dangerous conflict. A conflict that could bring nuclear catastrophe upon the earth.

And where are the great leaders? These great men of supposed power, wisdom and intelligence? Apparently they have taken a leave of absence. Prepare for the new moratorium on reason and humanity.
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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I am not religious but I don't argue against religion because I feel I have no right to even suggest what an individual should believe in but I feel I am entitled to comment on religion.

For any given person or culture their view of religion is formed by their religion or the religions near to them.

In the US there are basically the various protestant sects and Catholicism. Protestants consider Catholicism to be a monlithic religion in the sense that it has a very well formed hierarchy, a single litrugy and in general is standardized.

Americans know that protestant religions are not monolithic and that was one of the points of splitting from the Catholic church.

Somehow Americans apply the monolithic attribute to Islam which from my experience and I am willing to be corrected by Mulsims in this case, is not at all monolithic in its hierarchical organization structure. Although I think it is fair to say that the Shia follow a more hierarchical from than Sunni.

Islam does have one "book" and the study of it is standardized but there isn't anything even vaguely like preists, bishops, cardinals and a pope.

The reason I say this is that a command can not be sent out to all Muslims to think X or do X. I now lots of you protestants are going to set your hair on fire over this comment but Islam is a lot more like the protestant religions than like Catholicism.

Again - Muslims correct me because it is your religion not mine but a Muslim is supposed to have a personal relationship with Allah and a mullah or imam can lead prayer or give guidance but each Muslim has to take responsibility for their own soul and are supposed to provide an example to others and help others understand and follow Islam. In my view, Islam is about personal responsibility.

So any idea that Islam has some kind of a political master plan, to me, based on a lifetime of knowing Muslims, sounds exactly the opposite of my experience of what Islam is.

The master plan is not politcal and not for the earth except to the degree that it helps Muslims follow the will of God and to get to heaven.

Again - please correct me, all you Muslims readng this - the matters of the earth including politics are more of a distraction from following the Holy Koran than anything and the main reason for wanting to live in a Muslim country is so that Muslims can focus on faith and not be tempted by or subjected to things that are "haram" - forbidden.

Islam is really a "leave me alone - I will leave you alone religion."

Not saying there were not Empires that came out of the Muslim countries that conquered others and sometimes did it in the name of Islam but it is not my view that Isalm really had anything to do with that just like the Spanish conquest of the New World was done in the name of Jesus but "conquest" is exactly opposite to everything that the religion of Jesus represents.

From a Zionist perspective they have to demonize Islam because it is in their way and they have found do so works fabulously well with American Christians but less well with less religious Europeans. The point is, we don't have to take what the Zionists tell us Isam is - we can find out for oursleves.


Originally posted by apodictic
reply to post by BRAVO949
 


I will watch the video shortly.

As for your stab at the Marines; HA HA FUNNY.



You are correct about their meanings. Unfortunately Islam's way to peace is to 'rid the world of tyranny' which obviously makes Israel its prime target and most likely the United States based on the actions of our government.


“Today, we should define our economic, cultural and political policies based on the policy of Imam Mahdi’s return.”
-Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad



“We must prepare ourselves to rule the world and the only way to do that is to put forth views on the basis of the Expectation of the Return.”
-Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad




In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi (Arabic: مهدي‎ / ISO 233: mahdī / English: Guided One) is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for seven, nine or nineteen years- (according to various interpretations)[1] before the Day of Judgment (yawm al-qiyamah / literally, the Day of Resurrection)[2] and, alongside Jesus, will rid the world of wrongdoing, injustice and tyranny.


(Source)




"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)



Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)


That coupled with Judaism's conflicting views makes me nervous.
edit on 6-1-2012 by apodictic because: (no reason given)



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