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Pentagon Scientists Use 'Time Hole' to Make Events Disappear

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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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This distance is only needed to amplify the effect of the difference in speed of the two frequencies.




posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
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From the article in the OP:


The entire experiment occurred inside a fiber optics cable. Researchers passed a beam of green light down the cable, and had it move through a lens that split the light into two frequencies, one moving slowly and the other faster. As that was happening, they shot a red laser through the beams. Since the laser “shooting” occurred during a teeny, tiny time gap, it was imperceptible.


The time duration capable of being "cloaked" is limited by the length of the light beam and the efficiency of the lens.


For the posters who are saying it's no big deal because it's such a short time - think about the possibility of being able to shoot a laser, even a short distance, without it being noticed. You could probably kill someone, open locks,cause structural damage - all without being noticed.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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I am pretty sure the distance is directly related to the amount of time cloaked as well. I am not a hundred percent.I am looking for a comment that I think was in this thread where someone said how long the cable would have to be to cloak for like 30 seconds or a minute.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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Of course...it takes time for the slower frequency light to travel the given distance.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Hmmmmmmm..........


The time duration capable of being "cloaked" is limited by the length of the light beam and the efficiency of the lens.


Ever heard of "slow glass"???

I cannot recall the Science Fiction author who first proposed the idea....his story was about glass that could "record" light as it came in....then it was a profitable commodity for people, in the future, so their "windows" would display a pristine environment outside.....even as the reality outside was ugly, all they saw was the beauty of the past....since the light from the past was "recorded" into the glass, and those on the "inside" saw that view.....

Ever heard of this story??? I know I read it, some years ago.....sure it's copyrighted, just in case.....in the actual story, the protagonist was trapped in his deluded memory of a love long lost.....very tragic.....



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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I don't think you realize how small this time frame actually is.
We are talking 40 picoseconds.
A picosecond is 0.000 000 000 001 seconds.
Apparently a "picosecond is to one second as one second is to 31,700 years."



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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I have never heard it, but that sounds like something Bradbury would write. I just picked up Pleasure to Burn yesterday.



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Bob Shaw wrote something similar...a short story called "Light of Other Days."



posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
..."Perception is everything." Physicists with political science degrees.


"Reality is merely an Illusion, albeit a persistent one" Albert Einstein



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Kind of like those games in the arcade where you have to hit the button to stop a light in an exact location except in order to see the light/location you need to alter how time flows around it (and of course on a much greater speed/time scale)?
edit on 6-1-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)


www.nature.com...#/contrib-auth

At first the schematic looks like light being deflected in space around the object. The vertcal scale on the left measures time though.

Instead of light being moved up and down (spacially), the scale says light is being made to move faster and slower (temporally).


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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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I get what you are saying, but I was making an analogy in attempt to understand how it could be used to protect digital information.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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This phenomenon is probably the best way by which to explain the anomalous observations made in Italy as regard to the neutrinos travelling very slightly faster than the speed of light. One explanation is that the neutrinos travelled a small part of the journey by "teleportation" which if you think about it is what the DARPA researchers have done with their time cloaking experiment ? The 40 nano seconds is a very much bigger time interval than the very much smaller time interval that they are worried about in Italy.


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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Think of a star. We see it shining in the sky, but hundreds of thousands of light years away it may be burned out and dead, a blackhole. We can't tell until enough time passes to and the final light has reached us. So to us it appears that star is still giving off light because of the distance, but in real time it is actually dead.


So the million dollar questions is which reality is the real one? " In real time it is actually dead."

Which real is the real real. Im pretty sure the star would argue (quite "heatedly" i might add
) that its relative perspective of time is the real time. But an earth based observer will also argue that since the event in questions hasnt happened from their point of view that their reality is the one that matters. One might argue that since the sun is the originator of the light it's reality would be the only time that matters, But what about the other points of origin of light. Extrapolate that light a billion times a billion, a billion suns in a billion galaxies i wonder which one has the right time



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Think of a star. We see it shining in the sky, but hundreds of thousands of light years away it may be burned out and dead, a blackhole. We can't tell until enough time passes to and the final light has reached us. So to us it appears that star is still giving off light because of the distance, but in real time it is actually dead.


So the million dollar questions is which reality is the real one? " In real time it is actually dead."

Which real is the real real. Im pretty sure the star would argue (quite "heatedly" i might add
) that its relative perspective of time is the real time. But an earth based observer will also argue that since the event in questions hasnt happened from their point of view that their reality is the one that matters. One might argue that since the sun is the originator of the light it's reality would be the only time that matters, But what about the other points of origin of light. Extrapolate that light a billion times a billion, a billion suns in a billion galaxies i wonder which one has the right time


Um.. TimeLord .. you do understand that Polits' post put it into a simple Crayon view of how the Universal Time Scale works right ??

I have not read the whole thread .. but I can say by just reading one page your comment sounds completely Uneducated. Sorry I dont mean to offend you on this..

Im gonna try to help Polit on this ..

Imagine you are Living IN a movie. Movies are continuous "snapshots" or "pictures". Now lets suggest that your currently experiencing a point Half way through the movie .. You dont know the ending right ? You cant really observe the Opening Credits right ?...

You see.. we can ONLY observe with our eyes at a distance. Although we have very Large Eyes In the Skies that take extraordinary snapshots of our surroundings.

Those "pics" of our known universe has already happened ! We are looking at the PAST universally. ( anytime you see something .. it already was..your in the past.. ).

The Universe could be a dark cold place Right Now. You would never know unless you can prove that All the Cosmos ( those billions and billions of cosmic thingies out there are Actually still there ).

I would suggest that on a calm and cloudless night, high up in the mountains where you can look at All of the galaxies and stars, that your looking in the past. There might not be a fraction of light/stars/galaxies left in the cosmos at this "Point in Time" ..

We could in fact live in a Very Small Universe.

....

As far as the OP .. yes it is Light Manipulation ..and not time manipulation.

The amount of energy to "cloak" or "manipulate" light around a whole city so you can just do whatever you want would be not worth the time.

As far as taking a whole city "out" without Anyone knowing because you put a "Time Dial" around that particular location is absurd. Your still going to have guys outside that Field that Knew about it. Like there going to say " um..what happened to X spot ? ".

Peace out.

JG.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by truthinfact
If time travel is Gold, this is Fools Gold.

Distorting light, Not time.


keep trying


If time is the measurement of change and to your observation there has been no passage of time but an observation change what do you call that? Hiding time???

lol Its ok the water is fine, jump right in



Time doesn't really exist. We are a bunch of chemical reactions happening on a spinning rock. Time is a human illusion. Without said Illusion, we would sleep for days upon days in a row and starve to death.

Also thats not hiding anything, its distorting light.

Breaking the space-time-continiume, would be a really big deal. Like I said this is fools gold.... Go discover some god particles or something
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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by soficrow
..."Perception is everything." Physicists with political science degrees.


"Reality is merely an Illusion, albeit a persistent one" Albert Einstein


Ain it the truth. ...I'd be more excited about this (admittedly important) breakthrough if it altered the perceptions of those experiencing the event, not just the observers' perceptions. ....Too much like nano-cloaking/reflecting mirrors in effect.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by paperface
Maybe this means it can actually be done already and this is code for dropping a hint.


Agreed.

They would never announce it and reveal how far it had been actually developed.

For all we know, its completely operational, being able to mask events for days on end, but are only telling the public they can do it for a split second at the present time.

Very interesting all the same...



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by jaduguru

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Think of a star. We see it shining in the sky, but hundreds of thousands of light years away it may be burned out and dead, a blackhole. We can't tell until enough time passes to and the final light has reached us. So to us it appears that star is still giving off light because of the distance, but in real time it is actually dead.


So the million dollar questions is which reality is the real one? " In real time it is actually dead."

Which real is the real real. Im pretty sure the star would argue (quite "heatedly" i might add
) that its relative perspective of time is the real time. But an earth based observer will also argue that since the event in questions hasnt happened from their point of view that their reality is the one that matters. One might argue that since the sun is the originator of the light it's reality would be the only time that matters, But what about the other points of origin of light. Extrapolate that light a billion times a billion, a billion suns in a billion galaxies i wonder which one has the right time


Um.. TimeLord .. you do understand that Polits' post put it into a simple Crayon view of how the Universal Time Scale works right ??

I have not read the whole thread .. but I can say by just reading one page your comment sounds completely Uneducated. Sorry I dont mean to offend you on this..

Im gonna try to help Polit on this ..

Imagine you are Living IN a movie. Movies are continuous "snapshots" or "pictures". Now lets suggest that your currently experiencing a point Half way through the movie .. You dont know the ending right ? You cant really observe the Opening Credits right ?...

You see.. we can ONLY observe with our eyes at a distance. Although we have very Large Eyes In the Skies that take extraordinary snapshots of our surroundings.

Those "pics" of our known universe has already happened ! We are looking at the PAST universally. ( anytime you see something .. it already was..your in the past.. ).

The Universe could be a dark cold place Right Now. You would never know unless you can prove that All the Cosmos ( those billions and billions of cosmic thingies out there are Actually still there ).

I would suggest that on a calm and cloudless night, high up in the mountains where you can look at All of the galaxies and stars, that your looking in the past. There might not be a fraction of light/stars/galaxies left in the cosmos at this "Point in Time" ..

We could in fact live in a Very Small Universe.

....

As far as the OP .. yes it is Light Manipulation ..and not time manipulation.

The amount of energy to "cloak" or "manipulate" light around a whole city so you can just do whatever you want would be not worth the time.

As far as taking a whole city "out" without Anyone knowing because you put a "Time Dial" around that particular location is absurd. Your still going to have guys outside that Field that Knew about it. Like there going to say " um..what happened to X spot ? ".

Peace out.

JG.


Could you please elaborate exactly which parts of my ideas are incorrect with what is really going on in the universe and how you can prove this. Im not being sarcastic im genuinely interested to know what im uneducated on.

Also you didnt address ANY of the points in the post you quoted??


My post that you quoted is mainly existential in it's query. Im asking about the basic tenets of reality based on the observer. You say the poster im replying to paints a crayon view of the universe. Thats fine, the question i asked can be answered with crayon as well as pen or pencil. If you cant understand my metaphors its because your not paying close enough attention to what im saying.

Its actually very simple. You have heard of the saying might makes right? well i have another saying "who's sight makes right?" These might seem like stupid questions to the uninitiated but i can assure perceptions of reality is very important to determine a homogenous reality. If you dont understand thats cool tell me which part you're having trouble with and i will try to explain it in the best way i can.



posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by truthinfact

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd

Originally posted by truthinfact
If time travel is Gold, this is Fools Gold.

Distorting light, Not time.


keep trying


If time is the measurement of change and to your observation there has been no passage of time but an observation change what do you call that? Hiding time???

lol Its ok the water is fine, jump right in



Time doesn't really exist. We are a bunch of chemical reactions happening on a spinning rock. Time is a human illusion. Without said Illusion, we would sleep for days upon days in a row and starve to death.

Also thats not hiding anything, its distorting light.

Breaking the space-time-continiume, would be a really big deal. Like I said this is fools gold.... Go discover some god particles or something
edit on 7-1-2012 by truthinfact because: (no reason given)



Your logic seems flawed from 2 points of view.

1. that time doesnt exist because its a human illusion

and

2. "Also thats not hiding anything, its distorting light."



1. based on this logic nothing exist as everything is part of the same illusion as time. (which is closer to the truth than you realize) but if time is part of the illusionary world then as an illusion it is real. Thats like saying a cartoon car in a cartoon isnt real because its a cartoon. Well of course its not real to us observing it but in the context of the cartoon its very much real. You cant pick and choose what you want to be real and what is an illusion, its either or. Everything we observe and experience as a collective is very much real as it has a flow on effect. Sorry to be the bearer of unpleasant news but your entire existence is an illusion not just time



2. Distorting light IS hiding something. lol sorry but i dont think you fully comprehend whats being discussed here. If you cant see something then its hidden. What part of that is confusing you?



posted on Jan, 9 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Best way to look at it is perception is reality and vice versa. Our consciousness, as a whole shapes our reality.



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