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Lockheed Ups the Ante With 6th Generation Concept

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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by RichardPrice

Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


Look, My father, an electrical engineer, said We have this tech and that He was successfully testing it. Believe as You wish, love. I know better.


Oh, he's an electrical engineer is he? Fair enough, that makes the most ludicrous claims perfectly acceptable at nothing more than face value.


A CalTech graduate, now deceased, who worked at one of the top aerospace companies in the 1950's - virtually ALL of which were OPENLY working in electrogravitics. Then it went into black ops. So... if You think the claims are "ludicrous," [shrug]. I report the DEFINING experiences of My early childhood. He would come home every night and try to teach Me about electrogravitics, describe the SUCCESSES He had in the experiments He had done - antigravity and overunity - and tell Me what My world would be like as I grew up.

Flying cars, floating cities, all the energy We could use.

Now enjoy Your apparently closed mind (and Einsteinian view - the view They keep in place because it cannot unify gravity and lead People to free energy).


So your father was an... uhm... "security risk"? Telling his kid about cutting edge ( "soon to be" I assume) highly classified research...and he wasn't some junior "draftsman" trying to impress his Son/daughter??...
Any wonder they supposedly "locked this stuff away?"( as you claim) ??? Because what you are describing( telling the family) would've been enough to get his clearances "jerked" so hard his Mr.wizard bowtie and pocket protector would spin.



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posted on Jan, 20 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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The whole industry was working on it OPENLY, f'chrissake. It was not a "security risk," because it wasn't yet secure. AFTER He came home and told Me We couldn't talk about it anymore ("They want it secret for now.")...He didn't discuss His work at all. And... He was one of the company's top engineers (started in the '40's).
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

A CalTech graduate, now deceased, who worked at one of the top aerospace companies in the 1950's - virtually ALL of which were OPENLY working in electrogravitics. Then it went into black ops. So... if You think the claims are "ludicrous," [shrug]. I report the DEFINING experiences of My early childhood. He would come home every night and try to teach Me about electrogravitics, describe the SUCCESSES He had in the experiments He had done - antigravity and overunity - and tell Me what My world would be like as I grew up.

Flying cars, floating cities, all the energy We could use.


The problem is is that you post fantastic and fabulous claims about basic scientific things, claiming a huge and overbearing coverup is in operation to suppress the "truth", and the only thing you say to support your claim is that your dad has some qualifications.

I couldn't give a toss what your dad was, your claims have no backing - vague statements that your father had credentials adds no strength to anything, your claims are still empty claims.


Now enjoy Your apparently closed mind (and Einsteinian view - the view They keep in place because it cannot unify gravity and lead People to free energy).


Your closing statement is to insult me? Now that's the way to argue your point...

I will state it flat out - I don't believe you, I don't believe your claims, and in my opinion it's claims like yours which are the most damaging to the credibility of those actually trying their hardest to do actual investigation into such issues.

I've said it before, and this seems like the perfect chance to say it again - I stopped believing in huge government conspiracies of silence when I realised that we are talking about governments that couldn't cover up a basic burglary, an act of fellatio, expense claims and also failed to plant evidence to support their bungled invasion of another country...

They can't do that but they can suppress thousands of top flight researchers and research centres, not just in the US but all around the world, not to mention all the other things that they are keeping secret.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by RichardPrice

Originally posted by Amaterasu

A CalTech graduate, now deceased, who worked at one of the top aerospace companies in the 1950's - virtually ALL of which were OPENLY working in electrogravitics. Then it went into black ops. So... if You think the claims are "ludicrous," [shrug]. I report the DEFINING experiences of My early childhood. He would come home every night and try to teach Me about electrogravitics, describe the SUCCESSES He had in the experiments He had done - antigravity and overunity - and tell Me what My world would be like as I grew up.

Flying cars, floating cities, all the energy We could use.


The problem is is that you post fantastic and fabulous claims about basic scientific things, claiming a huge and overbearing coverup is in operation to suppress the "truth", and the only thing you say to support your claim is that your dad has some qualifications.

I couldn't give a toss what your dad was, your claims have no backing - vague statements that your father had credentials adds no strength to anything, your claims are still empty claims.


www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.
www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.

If You cannot see what removing the need for money through the adding of what it represents - the accounting of meaningful energy expended in an energy-scarce society - would mean to the power elite, and believe They would not go to any lengths to hide and suppress information about free energy... You don't grasp how the world works.

More evidence of conspiracy, in Our medical establishment:

www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.



Now enjoy Your apparently closed mind (and Einsteinian view - the view They keep in place because it cannot unify gravity and lead People to free energy).


Your closing statement is to insult me? Now that's the way to argue your point...


I owned it. Note the word "apparently..." No insult. Merely My opinion.


I will state it flat out - I don't believe you, I don't believe your claims, and in my opinion it's claims like yours which are the most damaging to the credibility of those actually trying their hardest to do actual investigation into such issues.


So don't believe. Virtually all aerospace companies were working on electrogravitics OPENLY in the early 1950's. That is documented.

books.google.com...'s&source=bl&ots=ot3za7tJdN&sig=VpIRiV-gS_6jmjQh03H ytStqtOs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=MxkbT_y8JdOz0QHa6rydCw&sqi=2&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=aerospace%20electrogravitics%201950's&f=false

So... Apparently You would hide Your head in the sand...?


I've said it before, and this seems like the perfect chance to say it again - I stopped believing in huge government conspiracies of silence when I realised that we are talking about governments that couldn't cover up a basic burglary, an act of fellatio, expense claims and also failed to plant evidence to support their bungled invasion of another country...


Considering My father - who yearned to teach Me - managed silence. After They took electrogravitics into black ops, He never talked about His work again. And... What We see in terms of the things You describe is more likely to be the tip of the iceberg. But if it makes You more comfortable to think that just because some machinations go awry, that ALL machinations are discovered, do enjoy.


They can't do that but they can suppress thousands of top flight researchers and research centres, not just in the US but all around the world, not to mention all the other things that they are keeping secret.


Burglaries, fellatio and expense claims generally don't come with the threat of losing One's job, life or the life of One's family for talking, either.
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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu

www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.
www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.


No, I see more unproven claims with circular links to other pages within the site and to more questionable material.

"Well referenced" does not mean "provable or supportable evidence".



If You cannot see what removing the need for money through the adding of what it represents - the accounting of meaningful energy expended in an energy-scarce society - would mean to the power elite, and believe They would not go to any lengths to hide and suppress information about free energy... You don't grasp how the world works.


Ahh right, because I don't choose to believe in your claims, I don't grasp how the world works?

I can see the benefit for some "elite" in limiting a lot of things, but I don't see the limiting happening. You have yet to prove your case.



More evidence of conspiracy, in Our medical establishment:

www.ahealedplanet.net... Well-referenced info.



Again, "well referenced" being circular links to other pages within the site and other publications (some of which don't exist - I just checked a couple at random and can't find any reference to them at all outside of that site).

You seem to be placing your trust in a questionable source of material. Don't worry, you aren't the first and you won't be the last.




I owned it. Note the word "apparently..." No insult. Merely My opinion.


You can stick "in my opinion" or "apparently" in front of anything you like, but it doesn't automatically excuse what you go on to say - it is not something you can do to gain a free jibe at someone.



So don't believe. Virtually all aerospace companies were working on electrogravitics OPENLY in the early 1950's. That is documented.


And alchemists worked on alchemy for hundreds of years, but it never worked.

Scientists work on things all the time that never pan out - thats part of science and R&D. Just because they worked on it does not mean it happened - fusion power has been under constant development for 60 years, and that has yet to pan out in any realistic sense.



So... Apparently You would hide Your head in the sand...?


Again with the insult - no, I'm not hiding my head in the sand, I am thinking for myself. I stopped taking random sites on the internet as gospel in my teens, and that is all you are providing here as references for anything you have said.



Considering My father - who yearned to teach Me - managed silence. After They took electrogravitics into black ops, He never talked about His work again. And... What We see in terms of the things You describe is more likely to be the tip of the iceberg. But if it makes You more comfortable to think that just because some machinations go awry, that ALL machinations are discovered, do enjoy.


Your constant use of the term "black ops" is quite amusing - especially in the context given. You also are making wild jumps of logic which don't make sense.



Burglaries, fellatio and expense claims generally don't come with the threat of losing One's job, life or the life of One's family for talking, either.


And you miss the entire point of the examples given - they are simple and trivial things to cover up. If those could not be covered up, then how the hell are you supposing a mass secret consisting of tens of thousands of people across the world would be kept secret. Or at least secret enough so that only a few scattered references to it exist on the internet and the ramblings of someone who claims their relation blabbed all the details to them as a child?

Even the Manhattan Project was heavily infiltrated by Nazi and Soviet spies...



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
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Bet it has electrogravitics incorporated like the B2. That would give it greater speed, for sure.

(Speaking of electrogravitics... Check out My thread here www.abovetopsecret.com... if You want to learn more.)


The B-2 does not incorporate Electro-Gravitics.

It does employ Electro-magnetic control of laminar airflow for drag reduction/increased range.

Just saying.

Cosmic..



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:49 PM
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Richard, have a nice life. You're right.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Cosmic4life

Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by jensy
 


Bet it has electrogravitics incorporated like the B2. That would give it greater speed, for sure.

(Speaking of electrogravitics... Check out My thread here www.abovetopsecret.com... if You want to learn more.)


The B-2 does not incorporate Electro-Gravitics.

It does employ Electro-magnetic control of laminar airflow for drag reduction/increased range.

Just saying.

Cosmic..


I suppose, though it was reported as having such - I forget by whom, but it's in the book, Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion... As I recall, it was leaked by semi-high military brass. Don't hold Me to that, though. [smile]



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by RichardPrice
 


Richard, have a nice life. You're right.


No, I'm not - because I haven't claimed anything.

The moral of the story here is - don't expect to be able to post fantastical claims without being asked to back your claims up. You haven't. Infact, you try to back your claims up with more fantastical claims - circular discussion is something that doesn't work with me.

Anyway, I'm off to Uganda for 12 days, so if you want to actually have an adult discussion when I get back, then by all means PM me and I will get back to you.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by RichardPrice

Originally posted by Amaterasu
reply to post by RichardPrice
 


Richard, have a nice life. You're right.


No, I'm not - because I haven't claimed anything.

The moral of the story here is - don't expect to be able to post fantastical claims without being asked to back your claims up. You haven't. Infact, you try to back your claims up with more fantastical claims - circular discussion is something that doesn't work with me.

Anyway, I'm off to Uganda for 12 days, so if you want to actually have an adult discussion when I get back, then by all means PM me and I will get back to you.


You're right.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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rushing into 6th gen is going to be costly.
The F-35 and F-22 is already costly enough.



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