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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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sir,the word gnosis is greek for wisdom,agnostic would refer to yourself as being without wisdom.
look up the word sophia, or baphomet




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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i'm with you brother!
this whole man made religion thing is the meaning of absurd!
once again i will quote the great Bob Marley:
MIGHTY GOD IS LIVING MAN!



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightATL

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Excellent post, Religion is the anti-christ thanks for posting S&F
Hopefully people will red this post and realize this, Religion is control, Religion tells us to do things against our fellow man..wake up Religious dudes/dudette's follow the God in yourself you have no need for Religion.
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I hate to see people come on here and so definitively state things like this about Religion. You obviously know as little about TRUE religion as the people who blindly follow religious kooks and lose the real spirit of what it's all about.

Christianity is an absolutely powerful, amazing, empowering thing. But in the wrong hands, like all things, it can be used as a tool for control and hate. I found religion just over a year ago, and I am neither brainwashed nor controlled. It brings out the best in people - freedom, enlightenment, love. Don't let those who have missed or forgotten the message misrepresent the message.
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Christianity is not Religion. Christianity is supposed to be following Christ on the path to the father. I believe the bible is the greatest gift ever given to man. And for a profit man has twisted to say whatever they desire. I cannot find one church, and I have goggled them all, that represent the church in the bible. We are all temples, equally important to the body. When we meet as equals we all have the right to speak as equals.

Apostles were the only men who did the majority of speaking when they were present. These are men that sacrificed their whole life to teach the message. They went from city to city teaching the good news of Christ. They did not meet in Christian Churches. They went from home to home, they met in the temple courts, and they went wherever people gathered. And spoke to anyone willing to listen.

So unless one considers themselves an Apostle they are certainly no better, nor no more important than any other Christian. Why then do I need to pay my equal to teach me what the Holy Spirit has promised to teach me for free? There is only one teacher and that is God. He teaches all things through his Holy Spirit that lives inside of every believer.

If a church does not teach this message they are Anti-Christ.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ixtab
Lucky for me I choose to believe in Hinduism then, kinda lame finding out your entire religion is actualy some horny red dude living in a lake of fire wanting to do you a mischief with a red hot poker.


My brother if Christians have destroyed Christ for you may I suggest following in the footsteps of our brother Gandhi. Someday I pray that Christians could get out of Christ’s way so that you may be able to have faith in Christ. I only pray this because I have received the love of God in me and I cannot begin to explain the joy and passion aroused in me, and I wish the same for you.

Listen Christians if you don’t think you are preventing people from accepting Christ.

Gandhi - I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

If you won’t listen to me listen to one who proved that he loved mankind but could not believe because of Christians.

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
So in your defense of Baptist you have confirmed they are Anti-Christ

I'm not defending Baptists. I'm not defending the rest of the protestants. I'm not defending Catholics. I'm simply pointing out that what you said was completely and utterly and totally WRONG. YOU claimed those three groups believed something that simply wasn't true. I proved you wrong. It's just that simple.

Despite what you claimed ...

Catholics do NOT believe you can sin as much as you want because there is confession.
Baptists do NOT believe that they have to be perfect on earth to get to heaven.
Protestants do NOT ignore the ten commandments and the call to try not to sin.
(Most of 'em anyways)

You were wrong with what you said.
Period.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by sacgamer25
So in your defense of Baptist you have confirmed they are Anti-Christ

I'm not defending Baptists. I'm not defending the rest of the protestants. I'm not defending Catholics. I'm simply pointing out that what you said was completely and utterly and totally WRONG. YOU claimed those three groups believed something that simply wasn't true. I proved you wrong. It's just that simple.

Despite what you claimed ...

Catholics do NOT believe you can sin as much as you want because there is confession.
Baptists do NOT believe that they have to be perfect on earth to get to heaven.
Protestants do NOT ignore the ten commandments and the call to try not to sin.
(Most of 'em anyways)

You were wrong with what you said.
Period.




You simply cannot reply from your heart, which is what you are doing. I reply based on facts and logic. I am just as much in defense of the misguided Christian as anyone. Probably more so because I accept the fact that they are misguided. By identifying organized religion as the Anti-Christ and pointing people back to the Christ in the bible I am loving them. We simply cannot excuse the church for misrepresenting Christ.

The church teaches Sacrament, This teaches that man lives in a constant state of sin and repentance.
This directly contradicts this and several other verses.

I John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

So the message of Sacrament is Anti-Christ


The fundamental belief of Baptist, baptism does not forive your sin, but you must somehow overcome sin.

It is impossible to overcome sin without first accepting forgiveness that is promised by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. They do not teach what the verse below plainly states.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So again based on the fact that they teach this is not literal they are Anti-Christ


Maybe the people who attend protestant churches believe in the 10 commandments but that is not the fundamental belief of the church. The fundamental view of the church is.

Sola fide Grace alone without works. They end the message at Grace the exact place the message should begin. Anti-Christ

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
You simply cannot reply from your heart, which is what you are doing. I reply based on facts and logic.

No. You posted error. You posted falsehoods based upon your own emotions.
I have proven it. I used facts. You did not. Case closed.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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S&F my friend...

It seems you're looking for a fight though... why do you care if people willingly choose to be blind?

Not like im one to talk though, as i've said before... i love to tickle the beast




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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These so called stereotypes are just the OPs "summary" of what is basically true but I understand folks here on at-izzle have to take the words literally.


With that said, wouldnt Jesus be opposed to the pope in the church?
If someone would like to "school" me on the purpose of a pope, please be my guest.
From the outside looking in, Catholics seem to almost "worship" the pope.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Communicationwillfreeus
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I can understand what you are trying to say. I can also say that is not something I agree with. I believe the anti-christ will be a deceiver in a way of faking his beliefs but not that all denominations of the church are the anti-christ. I think you are generalizing way to much and will not be taken seriously because of it.



You realize that what you are saying ensures the prophecy will be fulfilled? The bible says all will be fooled even the elect if possible. It doesn’t say some church somewhere will teach the right message and we should all flock to it. So if you don’t agree that all organized religion has strayed from the path of Christ than you don’t believe that all will be fooled.

People are waiting for a mystical Anti-Christ to appear. The bible says revealed not appeared. You see I am revealing to you but you won’t accept it, just as Revelations says. The current system of Church and acceptance of Pagan rituals has been handed down from the Catholic Church. The reality is amongst the 30,000 denominations there is very little difference in the message and structure.

All will drink from the maddening wine of the Catholic Church. What I am saying fits the prophecy in Revelations but most won’t head the warning. Again just as predicted in the bible.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Excellent post, Religion is the anti-christ thanks for posting S&F
Hopefully people will red this post and realize this, Religion is control, Religion tells us to do things against our fellow man..wake up Religious dudes/dudette's follow the God in yourself you have no need for Religion.


I have to agree, boymonkey74, organized religions, (book religions) will eventually cancel themselves out, as more and more information comes out and is made viral, and as more and more are experiencing messages from ETs. The Gods will be seen for what they really are, and people will not longer feel the need to pray to them.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by LightWarrior11
These so called stereotypes are just the OPs "summary" of what is basically true but I understand folks here on at-izzle have to take the words literally.


With that said, wouldnt Jesus be opposed to the pope in the church?
If someone would like to "school" me on the purpose of a pope, please be my guest.
From the outside looking in, Catholics seem to almost "worship" the pope.


They believe that the Pope has the same authority of Christ and that collectively the church is the teaching authority on the bible. The bible says that no one has the authority of Christ and the Holy Spirit is the teacher. Essentially fulfilling this prophecy.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. ...

Trust me I can’t make this stuff up. And if I did you would know I’m crazy. But since they claim he is equal to Christ and the Holy Spirit, thus proclaiming the Pope God sitting on his seat in the temple, he indeed does fulfill the prophecy a little too much for my liking.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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S&F my friend...

It seems you're looking for a fight though... why do you care if people willingly choose to be blind?

Not like im one to talk though, as i've said before... i love to tickle the beast



All that follow Christ will be persecuted. If what i say can save just one of my brothers who have been blinded I will accept whatever the will of my father is.

I am not afraid of the beast, for he can only kill the flesh. I am afraid of my father who can kill both the flesh and the spirit. Ok I'm not actually afraid of my father, anymore
, but I am in love with him and all humanity and ready to make whatever sacrafice needed.

Someday maybe I will start a thread about my encounter with the Devil or at least a demon sent by him. He didn't want me to buy the audio bible that I bought.


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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S&F my friend...

It seems you're looking for a fight though... why do you care if people willingly choose to be blind?

Not like im one to talk though, as i've said before... i love to tickle the beast



You know we have our subtle disagreements on scripture, but we both know that something is not right. I don't know what you believe about the end time prophecy in the bible, but the more I look at it the closer it seems we are to the end.

I’m not much for doomsday because I’ve always held to the firm belief that no one is promised tomorrow so why worry about doomsday. And I also have hold firm that if someone is following Christ the end of times should matter little for they are prepared. The one following Christ is indeed the strong man.

But the signs are there and they are hard to ignore.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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i am TRUE JUDGE.final pope. there will be none after me. i am working with the VIRGIN. who amidst you, besideth me , worketh so. flee from me, you blasphemers of the SPIRIT. the SPIRIT of antichrist is forged here in the country I live in. Jill Kelly had sex with SATAN. Ron Jeremy admitted that on youtube. Fort Worth shootings is because of Jill Kelly and SATAN affecting your genetics. the priest on youtube when Ron Jeremy admits Satan runs the porn industry has three girlfriends directly related to Satan in the flesh. NOW ,... photograph of ARCHAIC ANTICHRIST is in album
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TWO ANCIENT STATUES of what you are U.S.A.
YOU are ANTIGOD ANTICHRIST BLASPHEMER GODLESS DESECRATER



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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The chronicle project has come out with a great interpretation of the biblical passages that is on point with your post. According to the new interpretation the bible gave serveral commandments, but they were spiritual commandments. It seems men have perverted the commandments into physical acts, instead of the spiritual guidelines the commandments were designed. Here is a list of those commandments (I will shorten the translation) but the whole thing can be found at the following link: www.thechronicleproject.org...

1. Do not become an idol to your people
2. Do not make something and worship it. Do not hold fast to it or serve it.
3. Do not exhaust GOD's name to puff up your own image of validity.
4. On the (Seventh Day) you are to take care of the poor and make sure nobody works.
5. Take care of your mother and father so that your life is lengthened
6. Do not turn your back on those that need your help.
7. Do not break authority vows.
8. Do not steal
9. Do not, out of fear of consequences, lie.
10. Do not desire to have your family fear you.

From the church aspect mentioned by the OP it would seem if this new interpretation is correct, then many churches are preaching exactly opposite of what GOD warned us not to do. Much of our society and institutions make a mockery out of these new interpretations, worships the almighty dollar and buildings, judging people on their looks, and associating with churches to improve their outward appearing character.

The chronicle project also reinterpreted the anti-christ provisions in Matthew. And it does refer to a multitude of anti-christs. Not just one guy, but a whole group of people that will be actively against GOD's plans.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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You know as interesting as that post was. I have been thinking that the first beast is the Catholic Church and the second beast could very well be good old USA. We have a nice little war on terror going and we are primarily Christian.

So we fight Muslims and we support countless missionaries who try to Christianize the world.

More about my thought.

I believe the bible is the remnant of the church, the woman that hides form the dragon for a time.

After this it’s just a bunch of babble but I will share anyway, so I myself am not convinced one way or another to the truth of anything mentioned below. Ok enough disclaimers.

The beast of the sea I believe is the Catholic Church
The beast of the Land I believe is the USA
The Great Prostitute is also the Catholic Church
Babylon is the USA

I came to this conclusion because the USA seems to fit the description of Babylon, but what other country or entity can make this claim

Revelations 18:11-13
“The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes anymore— 12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; 13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and human beings sold as slaves.


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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am not afraid of the beast, for he can only kill the flesh.


The beast i refer to is the "religionists"
and those that seperate mankind from one another


Someday maybe I will start a thread about my encounter with the Devil or at least a demon sent by him. He didn't want me to buy the audio bible that I bought.


Interesting you say that... i have a question.

was this encounter at a time when you're beliefs were different then they are now? Those that encounter "demons" are those that believe in such entities... If you believe in such things you give that belief power... and at times power over your own being.

You quoted james within a recent thread.... let me show you something from that same chapter.

James 2
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


The verse i bolded shows you what i say... such entities have no power over you if you do not give them that power...


You know we have our subtle disagreements on scripture, but we both know that something is not right.


Very true...


I don't know what you believe about the end time prophecy in the bible, but the more I look at it the closer it seems we are to the end.


I have no interest in prophecy... Nor do i deal with revelations



I’m not much for doomsday because I’ve always held to the firm belief that no one is promised tomorrow so why worry about doomsday. And I also have hold firm that if someone is following Christ the end of times should matter little for they are prepared. The one following Christ is indeed the strong man.


There is no tomorrow until it is now... The future doesn't exist.... nor does the past... There is only now, and that is all there has ever been. The past was now, and the future will be one day...

If one lives in his past he deals with guilt, mistakes... regrets etc... and thus it can lead to self depression. Living for the future is fine, but it can also lead to expectations and disappointment.

All we have is now... So that is where i live...




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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I can see no conspiracy here . Why is this thread here? Antichrist is madeup a fantasy just like all religons



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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well , i think that the antichrist is
Prince of Darkness: and the New World Order  (Google eBook) Grant R. Jeffrey
by default, me...or EUROPE. but i'm christian.
are you.




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