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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:01 AM
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I am in full agreement with the OP. It is dispicable and for obvious reasons.

Law enforcement (sic) here is trying to increase the volume of crimes in their precincts, increase the burden on the courts, increase the population of jails and increase their own job security by, purposefully, willfully deploying "baitcars" or "bait trailers" in conspicuous places, for the explicit purpose of creating the opportunity for crimes to occur.

Law enforcement (sic) has financially benefited from an increase in crime rates that result from premeditated situations. In other words, the crime could not exist here without the conspiracy of law enforcement (sic) who had planned and executed the scheme. Therefore, law enforcement (sic) are a guilty party to the conspiracy to commit the crimes.

The "scheme" includes recording the "crime" using remote surveillance, transferring the resulting videotaped material to commerical broadcasters who, being party to the conspiracy, are very likely to receive financial benefits (real income) from the eventual release and broadcasting of the material.

This is not Black's Law definition of conspiracy but it's good enough:

con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design:

Therefore, my ATS friends, TruTv's "BaitCar" television show, the website baitcar.com , including the owners, operators, broadasters, advertisers, investors, law enforcement (sic), judges, and prison operators are in a conspiracy to financially benefit from the EXPLOITATION AND PRODUCTION OF CRIME.

And their website no longer takes comments.

Where did the comments go?
Comments have been disabled until further notice.

www.baitcar.com...




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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At the bottom of baitcar.com website is a link to something called leftrightminds (.) com.

www.leftrightminds.com...

This is what they do:

Left Right Minds is a creative solutions company in Vancouver, British Columbia. We provide Drupal web development, Drupal web hosting, social media strategy and planning, artist management and business and technology consulting. We believe that Left Right Minds is unique. That's why we offer full arts management services, project-based support and business consultations as well as comprehensive web services including design, development, hosting and skills training. It is our goal to connect arts - business - web. We like to get our hands dirty. We like to dig deep into our work. We really like to come up with lots and lots of ideas - because one of them is going to be brilliant.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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It's otherwise known as entrapment.

And disputable as morally acceptable.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by daniel5383
 


Evidently I am older than most on this thread.

My father - the cop - used to call that entrapment. Today we call it programming and everyone laps it up.


Let's say someone steals your car. You have OnStar or LoJack or some other locating device in it which leads the cops to your car, and therefore, the car thief.

Is THAT entrapment? No.

Entrapment is putting a bait car in the open, then having an undercover cop encouraging the car thief to go steal THAT car.



An opportunistic crime such as this, would not have occurred (and you cannot state implicitly that it would have) had the car not been left in a state of opportunity.

It is 100% entrapment because it is enticing someone who may otherwise have NOT committed such crimes, to commit them.. No less than "Psst hey bud, wanna buy some crack?" or "Hey sailor wanna good time?" is entrapment if it is created by the law to elicit a crime in order result in a bust.

It is entrapment. All you do-gooders are just side stepping this fact, because these criminals are busted. All is well that ends well, no?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by 46ACE
Nice lookin police woman puts on short shorts /heels makeup and skanks herself up abit and stands on a corner. Perspective"john rolls up offers her$40.00 for sex.... entrapment? Sorry no....


Lol are you kidding?

Do you ever recollect when a hot cop woman in a skimpy outfit did not first intend to a john the outcome?

Come on, whos the one being one way or the other now. Some decry the anti-cops, but you're espousing that their crimes are legit, as long as they catch a crook.

And what crime has a john done? Damn, this world needs elucidation some times, so many folk lost in the depravity of what it has become, when the law can be the criminal, yet still the moral authority.

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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by joyride0187
reply to post by DragonTattooz
 



Entrapment happens when:

•Law enforcement officials induce or persuade someone to commit a crime
•That the person (most likely) wouldn't have committed without being persuaded to do so


It's the person's predisposition to steal the car that makes it a crime. I get your point about loosing freedoms a chunk at a time but the police setting up a bait car is not entrapment so exactly which freedoms are you loosing?


If the bait car was not there, would the apprehended culprit have committed said crime?

Where is this now? legally? The police left a potential crime. The police, not society. So.. entrapment? Yes.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
to re-iterate what others have said

entrapment , [ in legal terms ] requires active coersion and instigation to comit a crime , bait car is a passive opportunity to seal , ergo - not entrapment

the fact that " bait car " has the doors unlocked , and the keys in the ignition is legally irrelevant . any car that is left unsupervised is a " theft opportunity " , bait car is simply easier than a locked car with an alarm - but locked cars with alarms are routinely stollen - is that entrapment - simply leaving your car unsupervised ?



I'm sure that under most insurance policies, failure to secure your car resulting in theft, nullifies your claim.

So, on the one hand it's the owners fault yet on the other, the culprits.

Amazing how it bends both ways for differing circumstance. How about the law focus on crimes, instead of instigating them? For profit no less? sigh



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by LazloFarnsworth
This show has been on for a few years now...3 I believe.

Entrapement? No difference between an undercover hooker, drug dealer or fence buying stolen property. Dont do the crime.



Hookers are the scum of the earth, no? They simply steal your husbands and profit.

Drug dealers, no such thing as supply and demand, they deserve death.

Steal my car? Oh sure, lets lump them all together.

One of these things is not like the other.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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Their justification is that it takes car thieves off the street, so they presumably wont steal the public's cars.

The truth is it just creates more clientele for the system of police, jails & courts, because they have created unusual circumstances in attempting to lure the weak, downtrodden or poor idiots into their scheme. Bottom line they're catching opportunistic joyriders and filling the court calendar & keeping jailers employed.

The car thieves that are a real problem don't usually have the car keys dangled in front of them prior to stealing your car. They just tear apart the ignition & strip your car.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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This really isn't entrapment. Like I mentioned in a previous post, no one coerced them into doing it. Doing this was 100% their own decsion. A police officer did not stand next to them, and point out the car. And then plant the idea.

Look at it from this standpoint.....Could children in a school yard be entrapment for a pedophile? A woman in a tight skirt for the rapist? Goods that are not locked up in a store for a shoplifter? Or better yet, accidentally leaving your front door open and unlocked. Obviously not. But those are all situations taken advantage of by criminals. And we know at least the 17 year old was already a criminal.

It is obvious that those men will commit crimes any time the opportunity presents itself. If not that particular escalade then maybe the next. It is better off catching them in a controlled environment. Instead of racing around town, smashing cars and running down pedestrians.

And you know what? I bet their neighbors will sleep a lot better knowing they are behind bars. Since those men will likely steal anything that isn't bolted down. Maybe someone on ATS would have been their next victum? For every time they were busted, imagine how many thefts they actually got away with.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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You're an ass. i don't care if i get banned for saying that.Not everything is a #in conspiracy.Yet another douchebag defending criminals and #ting on the police.Get a #ing clue you moron.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Perhaps, but fill them with who? With people who steal cars?
So would it be wrong to have female police officers jog through the parks in the morning to lure out potential rapist and sexual deviates or would that be the wrong to subject lonely men to such temptations?
Would the police be making the streets and park safe for women or just trying to fill private prisons?
The bottom line is despite everything every bleeding heart liberal says, all these people arrested have attempted to steal a car which they knew did not belong to them. There is no getting around that.
REPHRASE. The police arrested thieves.
They are all guilty of grand theft auto and still people try to make excuses for them.
So how about the government issue get out of jail free cards to all people with a minimum income good for four stolen cars, three burglaries, two armed robberies and one rape? Would that make you happy? Do you feel that would compensate for the social injustices inflicted on these poor darlings?
Is there no limit to liberal idiocy?



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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Your analogy does not go far enough. Remember the police are criticized for tempting these poor helpless car thieve. Therefore to complete your example some type of criticism/punishment should be laid upon the attractive women tempting men to rape and those evil shop owners displaying their merchandise.
If nothing else they should be shunned and marked as social outcasts.
I wonder how many of the people thinking this way have stripped their homes of everything of any value so as not to tempt burglars and how they would feel after having been robbed that it was their fault for owning nice things to tempt the burglar with in the first place.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by HandyDandy
Questions:

Is finding and picking up a $20 bill on the street that isn't yours illegal?

Then why is finding a car?

The value?


Go steal a car and find out. A car parked on the street is not lost. It is parked their by it's owner who has a title to it.

It is not lost. You cannot go into a parking lot and steal a car, claiming that you just found it lying there on the ground.

The two are hardly comparable. Can you steal a child that you found playing by them selves on a play ground? Of course not. You can't steal a car either....

Apples and oranges are coming to mind.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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Originally posted by mainidh

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Ittabena
reply to post by daniel5383
 


Evidently I am older than most on this thread.

My father - the cop - used to call that entrapment. Today we call it programming and everyone laps it up.


Let's say someone steals your car. You have OnStar or LoJack or some other locating device in it which leads the cops to your car, and therefore, the car thief.

Is THAT entrapment? No.

Entrapment is putting a bait car in the open, then having an undercover cop encouraging the car thief to go steal THAT car.



An opportunistic crime such as this, would not have occurred (and you cannot state implicitly that it would have) had the car not been left in a state of opportunity.

It is 100% entrapment because it is enticing someone who may otherwise have NOT committed such crimes, to commit them.. No less than "Psst hey bud, wanna buy some crack?" or "Hey sailor wanna good time?" is entrapment if it is created by the law to elicit a crime in order result in a bust.

It is entrapment. All you do-gooders are just side stepping this fact, because these criminals are busted. All is well that ends well, no?



It catches people who WOULD steal a car. It would be nice if people can leave their cars (or other items) without them getting stolen. Guess you want to live in a world where just leaving your stuff is "bait".

What gets me about all these who defend criminal behaviour (not meaning the poster, just in general) are usually the first to scream bloody murder when someone does them wrong.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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As the report stated, www.ufv.ca...


These analyses lead to several conclusions about IMPACT. Auto thieves arrested through IMPACT
initiatives do not differ in any meaningful way from those arrested by regular police activity. In fact, the offenders arrested by IMPACT were representative of the larger group of known auto thieves in British
Columbia. However, despite these similarities, those arrested by IMPACT and convicted were more
likely to receive custody sentences and for longer lengths of time than those arrested through regular
police activity. This suggests that being arrested by IMPACT can result in a more meaningful
consequence for convicted offenders that might also result in a greater deterrent effect for them and others
considering auto theft.


As the report concludes, IMPACT had targeted known auto thieves, offenders will get longer jail sentences, thus the Canadian taxpayer can pay MORE money!

What would happen if you go to a known area with a population of crackheads and leave a large pile of crack rocks unattended? Does anyone really expect the crackheads not to be tempted?


In 2004, British Columbia saw the first significant decline in auto theft in over a decade with a 6% reduction overall and a 10% reduction in Greater Vancouver. Every day in BC approximately 37 cars and trucks are stolen. Many of them are stolen with the owners keys.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:21 AM
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I'm going to get a little evil and say that the police aren't doing it right. Here goes an alternative method they might want to try, once the insane law gets passed:

They're supposed to leave a bait car, running, and wait until the idiot gets in to steal it. Then they push a button and blow up the car. Alternately, poison gas, an electric chair. Something more horror movie like. TV show crew would agree, if it bleeds it leads.

Comically, put a whoopie cushon in the seat and super glue on the steering wheel. Disable the brakes and the seat belt. Load the car up with illicit drugs, for that extra sting in the sting. Put a living person in the trunk of the car, have them start making a fuss when the thief takes off.

Yes, the show, it seems like entrapment. It may very well be, conspiracy wise. The TV crew and the cops could be bribing the local neighborhood gang to send out one of their stupid people, get them framed. People could be acting like perps, but aren't in real life; who is going to follow up on that show? This is not exactly law enforcement to devise ways to increase the crime rates in certain neighborhoods.

If these scenes were translated into Internet, the police would be making a phishing scam, leaving a fake webpage to see who would put in their passwords.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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WOW....

More conspiracy.

We're gettin' dumber people....getting dumber.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
 


You're an ass. i don't care if i get banned for saying that.Not everything is a #in conspiracy.Yet another douchebag defending criminals and #ting on the police.Get a #ing clue you moron.


Great response. Love it.

I wasn't defending criminals. I was pointing out that the Canadian government was in a conspiracy to produce tax revenue by targeting certain classes of citizens, creating artificial and situational moral dilemmas, specifically within areas that have high rates of auto thievery, while videotaping the entire event surreptitiously, developing the entire scenario out of whole cloth... all the way to conviction and a longer sentence.

Pumping another meth head car thief through the system, keeps the bureaucracy busy, keeps the streets clean, provides the videotaped evidence to TruTv.com, getting lot's of internet traffic hits from people who like to watch it. It's like crime pornography.

Who gets off watching this baitcar.com anyway? To me, car thieves are basically like retarded people. They just don't understand what they are doing. I don't watch TV shows that exploit retarded people. I think it's dehumanizing for everyone involved, including the viewer.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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Sounds like a script from the A-Team dude lmao You may have a future at IMPACT.



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