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The journey through the after-death states is described as a series of vivid encounters and revelations; most are, frankly, terrifying. But at each stage, the book offers the consolation that "liberation" can be attained if one is sufficiently primed to recognise and seize the opportunity. The first, briefest, stage is the moment of death itself, when a clear light of "inner radiance" dawns in the dying mind. If one is able to recognise this light as the true nature of mind - and merge with it - then one is immediately "liberated", which is to say, spared the journey towards rebirth. If not, one is thrown into the next, intermediate state.
Here the deceased is confronted initially with a series of visions of the 100 "wrathful and peaceful deities" of the Tibetan Buddhist pantheon, each exactingly described. The lord Vajra Heruka, for example, is "dark blue in colour, with three faces, six arms and four legs", carrying a skull-cap, an axe and a ploughshare. "The female Vajrakrodhisvari is embracing his body, her right hand clasped around his neck and her left offering a skull-cap filled with blood to his mouth…"
These visions are not held to have an inherent reality; rather they are representations of different aspects of the enlightened mind - images depicted in pictures and wall-hangings in temples, which the dying person will be assumed to have meditated on throughout their lifetime. Recognising these images, the text says, is "like recognising your own mother", and presents a further opportunity to merge with the primordial state of being and thus be spared the anguish of rebirth.
However, those clouded by confusion and weighed down by the negative inheritance of their past actions are doomed to roam further downwards into the intermediate state. Now, the subtle mental body of the deceased will experience the sense of being able to move unobstructed through earth, boulders and mountains; they will see their home and their grieving relatives, "as if in a dream", and, realising that they have died, experience an overwhelming suffering "like a fish writhing on hot sand".
Then comes the "life review" in which the "innate good conscience" of the deceased will gather together all of their virtuous actions, counting them out with white pebbles, and the "innate bad conscience" will count out non-virtuous actions with black pebbles. "At this moment you will tremble with extreme fear, awe and terror… In the mirror of past actions [all your virtues and non-virtues] will be reflected vividly and precisely. Your attempts at deceit will be no use. Tying a rope around your neck, Yama [Lord of Death] will drag you forward. He will sever [your head] at the neck, extract your heart, pull out your entrails, lick your brains, drink your blood, eat your flesh and suck your bones. Despite this, you will not die."
At length, reeling from these torments, the deceased will arrive at the portal of rebirth. The book offers advice on "Obstruction of the Womb Entrances" - a sort of last chance saloon - to prevent this eventuality. If not heeded, then the deceased is drawn to seek rebirth in one of the six "realms" of existence - as a god, a demigod, a human, an animal, an anguished spirit or a hell-being, according to their past actions. Those destined for the human realm will be drawn to a man and woman in the act of sex, experiencing the "co-emergent delight" in the midst of the meeting between sperm and ovum, "until finally you will emerge [from the womb] and open your eyes".
Hi Ophiuchus 13,even if we don't really know,you give 15 seconds and you could be right,It's very interesting to see how it's compacting the time in that moment, and don't gave it a try,the call for each of us will come but we don't know when.
Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Fear 5 seconds
SHOCK 5 seconds awake 10 seconds asleep
Freedom of control of their existance as if pulled or directed
depending on potential location point rejuvinating feeling of where am I now depending on positive or negative life before switch.. Not that I have experienced it but gave it a try..
Probably you are right,maybe it may depends on how death comes consciously or unconsciously.Death is described in different ways by every culture, for example Maya were mass human sacrifices,and a different perception if the exact moment of death. In the war in Yugoslavia executioners who shot in the head describe a glow on innocent victims strange eyes , before they pull the trigger, something like "we see us".
imo, humans probably feel every human emotion all at once at their final moment
Originally posted by diamondsmith
and don't gave it a try,the call for each of us will come but we don't know when.
TextAbstract Near-death experiences (NDE's) can be reproduced by ketamine via blockade of receptors in the brain (the N-methyl-D-aspartate, NMDA receptors) for the neurotransmitter glutamate. Conditions which precipitate NDE's (hypoxia, ischaemia, hypoglycaemia, temporal lobe epilepsy etc.) have been shown to release a flood of glutamate, overactivating NMDA receptors resulting in neuro ('excito') toxicity. Ketamine prevents this neurotoxicity. There are substances in the brain which bind to the same receptor site as ketamine. Conditions which trigger a glutamate flood may also trigger a flood of neuroprotective agents which bind to NMDA receptors to protect cells, leading to an altered state of consciousness like that produced by ketamine. This article extends and updates the theory proposed in 1990 (Jansen, 1990b). Introduction The near-death experience (NDE) is a phenomenon of considerable importance to medicine, neuroscience, neurology, psychiatry, philosophy and religon (Stevenson and Greyson, 1979; Greyson and Stevenson, 1980; Ring, 1980; Sabom, 1982; Jansen, 1989a,b, 1990b). Unfortunately, some scientists have been deterred from conducting research upon the NDE by claims that NDE's are evidence for life after death, and sensationalist media reports which impart the air of a pseudoscience to NDE studies. Irrespective of religous beliefs, NDE's are not evidence for life after death on simple logical grounds: death is defined as the final, irreversible end. Anyone who 'returned' did not, by definition, die - although their mind, brain and body may have been in a very unusual state. There is overwhelming evidence that 'mind' results from neuronal activity. The dramatic effects on the mind of adding hallucinogenic drugs to the brain, and the religous experiences which sometimes result, provide further evidence for this (Grinspoon and Bakalar, 1981). One of the many contradictions which 'after-lifers' can not resolve is that "the spirit rises out of the body leaving the brain behind, but somehow still incorporating neuronal functions such as sight, hearing, and proprioception" (Morse, 1989, original italics). All features of a classic NDE can be reproduced by the intravenous administration of 50 - 100 mg of ketamine (Domino et al., 1965; Rumpf ,1969; Collier, 1972; Siegel,1978, 1980,1981; Stafford, 1977; Lilly, 1978; Grinspoon and Bakalar, 1981; White, 1982; Ghoniem et al., 1985; Sputz, 1989; Jansen, 1989a,b, 1990b, 1993). There is increasing evidence which suggests that the reproduction of NDE's by ketamine is unlikely to be a coincidence. This evidence includes the discovery of the major neuronal binding site for ketamine, known as the phencyclidine (PCP) binding site of the NMDA receptor (Thomson et al., 1985), the importance of NMDA receptors in the cerebral cortex, particularly in the temporal and frontal lobes, the key role of these sites in cognitive processing, memory, and perception, their role in epilepsy, psychoses, hypoxic/ischaemic and epileptic cell damage (excitotoxicity), the prevention of this damage by ketamine, the discovery of substances in the brain called 'endopsychosins' which bind to the same site as ketamine, and the role of ions such as magnesium and zinc in regulating the site (Anis et al., 1983; Quirion et al., 1984; Simon et al., 1984; Benveniste et al., 1984; Ben-Ari,1985; Thomson, 1986; Coan and Collingridge, 1987; Collingridge, 1987; Contreras et al., 1987; Rothman et al., 1987; Mody et al., 1987; Quirion et al., 1987; Westbrook and Mayer, 1987; Sonders et al., 1988; Barnes,1988; Choi,1988; Monaghan et al., 1989; Jansen et al., 1989a,b,c, 1990a,b,c, 1991a,b,c, 1993). Characteristic Features of the Near-Death Experience There is no internationally determined and agreed set of criteria which define the NDE, no list of 'research diagnostic criteria' similar to those provided by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) for psychiatric disorders. This lack has allowed some critics of neurobiological models to dismiss these models because some particular criterion which they believe to be important may not have been fully accounted for by the model being proposed, although it may well be that a consensus, statistical definition of the key features of the NDE would not include those features - just as, for example, the APA definition of schizophrenia (1980) represents an international consensus and avoids the sectarian views of a few, or inclusion of obscure cases which do not meet the general rule. source(www.mindspring.com...
Lama: “As a Buddhist, I view death as a normal process, a reality that I accept will occur as long as I remain in this earthly existence. Knowing that I cannot escape it, I see no point in worrying about it. I tend to think of death as being like changing your clothes when they are old and worn out, rather than as some final end.”
What do you think humans feel in the exact moment of death?,
That is true, but I do not think if they knew, the beast in man quench the thirst of blood that has.
EXISTENCE PHASES of LIFE and DEATH there would be less FEAR and possibly more positive relations between ALL if they knew some who behaved in a negative manner didnt do well on the other realms/dimensional plains.
An impressive story, and a very real one.Maybe the desire to live as better persons becomes stronger than the desire to do harm after we read about such experiences.Thank you for your true story.
TextI can tell you there certainly was a period of nothingness, and in between the nothingness and consciousness, there is, for lack of a better term, "cognitive reasoning" where your brain is lucid and you basically have a choice to live or not.. It feels that your consciousness is separated from your body, I remember it clearly and is really for another thread.... But to answer your question, in my experience I was aware i was dying, and the actual moment of death was not bad at all.. rather one of the most serene moments was in that minute I was holding my breath, knowing I had nothing left in my life to fear..
Well it may be,but I think for the good people as for the bad people is the same before the judgement.
I think it varies. My grandmother said, everything was fading quickly. With anohter, the entire room lit up and brightened enormously.
Well let's all stay safe,We don't need someone to experience anything,maybe after we die we can transmit through dreams to those we love a message of our experience..
One thing is for sure, nobody in this thread will be able to give you the answer you seek until it happens to them, in which case it will be too late to share the experience, an NDE and death after all will be two different experiences.