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Topic started on 4-1-2012 @ 05:52 AM by ZeroKnowledge
Phobos-Grunt is going to crash soon.


"As of Wednesday morning, the fragments of Phobos-Grunt are expected to fall January 15, 2012. The final date could change due to external factors," said spokesman Alexei Zolotukhin, quoted by the Interfax news agency.

I am pretty sad that it failed, every space mission that succeeds brings us one step closer to going to other planets. But - alas:

It said that 20 to 30 fragments weighing a total of no more than 200kg were expected to fall to Earth, with the spacecraft's highly toxic fuel burning up on entering the Earth's atmosphere.

news.msn.co.nz...
Most of Earth is water , so i assume it will end up somewhere in the oceans but in any case there is no reason to panic because the chance of one of those things actually falling on someone is very very very very low.
And yet i wonder how they calculated that only 200 kgs out of 13500 kgs of probe's weight will survive long enough to impact the surface though. Most of the weight is fuel, naturally. But i think that 200kgs estimate is a bit low.
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reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 07:29 AM by fiftyfifty
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a fragment weighing just 50g travelling at 15,000 mph would make quite a mess of someone's head.









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reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 07:52 AM by Lee78
I am not a fear monger by all means but i have a concern or two....... Upon reading your thread i decided to do a little research and also with another thread in regard to revelations. Well here is an interesting piece i thought i would share with those like me who didnt know.

Now i am going backwards here to go forwards....
Hydrazine

Hazards Hydrazine is highly toxic and dangerously unstable, especially in the anhydrous form. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency: Symptoms of acute (short-term) exposure to high levels of hydrazine may include irritation of the eyes, nose, and throat, dizziness, headache, nausea, pulmonary edema, seizures, coma in humans. Acute exposure can also damage the liver, kidneys, and central nervous system. The liquid is corrosive and may produce dermatitis from skin contact in humans and animals. Effects to the lungs, liver, spleen, and thyroid have been reported in animals chronically exposed to hydrazine via inhalation. Increased incidences of lung, nasal cavity, and liver tumors have been observed in rodents exposed to hydrazine.[30] Limit tests for hydrazine in pharmaceuticals suggest that it should be in the low ppm range.[31] Hydrazine may also cause steatosis.[32] At least one human is known to have died, after 6 months of sublethal exposure to hydrazine hydrate.[33] On February 21, 2008, the United States government destroyed the disabled spy satellite USA 193 with a sea-launched missile, reportedly due to the potential danger of a hydrazine release if it re-entered the Earth's atmosphere intact

Hydrazine (antidepressant)

The other factor
Dinitrogen tetroxide

The reason for the post


Risk Roughly 7.5 metric tonnes of highly toxic hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide are on board, according to the head of Roscosmos.[3][13] It is mostly fuel for the spacecraft's upper stage. These compounds, with melting points of 2 °C and -11.2 °C, are normally kept in liquid form; if the probe is not rescued but they remain liquid they are expected to burn out during reentry.[13] NASA veteran James Oberg said the hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide "could freeze before ultimately entering".[3] If Fobos-Grunt is not salvaged, it may be the most dangerous object to fall from orbit.[3] However, the head of Roscomos says the probability of parts reaching the Earth is "highly unlikely", and that spacecraft would be destroyed during re-entry.


Phobos grunt

Forgive me for concern but hey


reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 08:00 AM by samkent
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I here your concerns. I suspect they are counting on two things.
The dispersion effect and possible burning with such high speed reentry.

But still I'd feel better if they put a bullet into the tanks while in orbit.


reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 08:12 AM by beezzer
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And this is how the zombie apocalypse starts.

Just sayin'


reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 01:05 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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And this is how the zombie apocalypse starts.

Ha. I have a friend who enhaled his share of hydrazine so that explains his current behaviour. After all Phobos is horror in Greek mythology. Grunt sounds suspicially like ground.
So it is horror when it strikes the ground! Like Zombie horror movies.
And the Phobos-grunt started in 1999. If you turn it 180 degrees (because it is falling back to Earth and not going to Mars) it will be 666. Or the 1.
Ha? Am i good at this or what?



reply posted on 14-1-2012 @ 02:05 PM by karen61057
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Phobos-Grunt is going to crash soon.


"As of Wednesday morning, the fragments of Phobos-Grunt are expected to fall January 15, 2012. The final date could change due to external factors," said spokesman Alexei Zolotukhin, quoted by the Interfax news agency.

I am pretty sad that it failed, every space mission that succeeds brings us one step closer to going to other planets. But - alas:

It said that 20 to 30 fragments weighing a total of no more than 200kg were expected to fall to Earth, with the spacecraft's highly toxic fuel burning up on entering the Earth's atmosphere.

news.msn.co.nz...
Most of Earth is water , so i assume it will end up somewhere in the oceans but in any case there is no reason to panic because the chance of one of those things actually falling on someone is very very very very low.
And yet i wonder how they calculated that only 200 kgs out of 13500 kgs of probe's weight will survive long enough to impact the surface though. Most of the weight is fuel, naturally. But i think that 200kgs estimate is a bit low.
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From what I understand 11,000 kgs of that weight is the fuel alone. The remainder will burn up upon re-entry and what does survive the event will be what ever is made of titanium which apparently is not much of this craft.


reply posted on 14-1-2012 @ 02:07 PM by karen61057
Originally posted by fiftyfifty
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a fragment weighing just 50g travelling at 15,000 mph would make quite a mess of someone's head.








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Honestly if I threw a rock weighing 50 grams at your head it would hurt. We dont need the 15,000 MPH to make an impact. ( pun definately intended lol)
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reply posted on 14-1-2012 @ 02:47 PM by karen61057
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Hey Jim, They quoted you in the article posted above. LOL.

Is Russia saying that they think we took this puppy down?

Ok, no (should read the article before posting Karen)
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