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People Who Say They Are Against Religion Are Going to Hell

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posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Religion is a creation of man, not a creation of god..!!

I am against religion, because I do not believe that I should put my worship in mere men who say they represent god...

I don't doubt god at all, nor do I hide from god. I do the right thing and lead a good life. I obey the law and respect others. I work hard and I help when I see someone who needs help. I donate to charity when I can.

Yet by your standards, living as a decent human being is not enough... I must be a christian or I will go to hell regardless of how good a life I lead...

lol

Christians are crazy and out dated.. Hell, the Westborough Baptist church are a fine example of over the top relkigion.. Those guys are even proclaiming the Childrens TV series Lazytown as Pedophilic soft porn, gay propaganda and demon worship... "although, admittedly all the human players in the show are gay"..lol

YOu seriousely want me to join a bunch of whackos that would have a person stonned for scratching their private parts in public...


Get over the bible crap already and get out of the church and actually do some good in the world. Every second you spend down on your knees praying, could be better spent actually doing something valuble for the community.

Religion is not a sure ticket to heaven...


edit on 1/21/2012 by Ironclad because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 12:27 PM
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I do the right thing and lead a good life.

That would be religion according to my definition.
You are obviously not against religion, otherwise you would not be a religious person yourself.



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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First off Hell is not for enternity! People have misunderstood that in the bible. 

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 

"The wages of sin is death" that is the final punishment of the non elect,death. God is merciful,it is only the cruelness of man that such a creature would want a fellow human to suffer such great agony for ever. 

Remember the rule God set up in the bible when paul was beaten. A person could only receive 40 stripes save one. So 39 stripes(because 40 stripes is almost enough to kill someone) Throughout the bible you will find that when a person suffers it is only for a short while. The two thief's at the cross both suffered for a short while then the one on the left entered death he is non existence no suffering in a place called hell. (In fact the word for hell actually means grave). 

The thief on the right entered into the greatest joy a human can receive he entered into paradise. 


Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 
Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him Verily I say unto thee , Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. 



But anyways to the point 

You said that baby could be saved because the can't accept Jesus . Well first off John the baptist was saved in the womb,before he was even conceived. Secondly accepting Jesus doesn't mean anything this is a false teaching. No one accepts Jesus. Jesus accepts you. 

Tts 3:Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 

Everyone is evil there is not one person better than the other I'm just as wicked as Hitler or as Martin Luther king we are all sinners. 

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 

There are many people in the bible who believed on Jesus but were not saved for example judas iscariot is one,Saul believed in God but wasn't saved. There was a great multitude following Jesus that turned away because they loved the things of this world! 

There is a verse that says that says something like this " you believe then you do well. The devils also believe and tremble! So just because you believe doesn't mean your saved. 

So yes hitler COULD have been saved or Could have been unsaved. Only God knows the heart. And to many people this would make them mad that hitler might be saved, but people must remember ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD! 

You are almost right about the last thing you wrote we are not saved by works but by grace that is the Grace of God. But we can't accept Jesus Jesus accepts us. Accepting Jesus is a work. 

Sorry for the long post but I hope this answers some or all of your questions/comments. 

Remember God is a merciful God we always tend to look at all the bad things that happen and say "Gods not merciful) but it's our sin that has caused all the bad in this world. Just look at all the Mercies of God. Start with every single heartbeat. For his mercies are more in number than the sand that is by the seashore or the stars in the heavens!



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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reply to post by arpgme 


First off Hell is not for enternity! People have misunderstood that in the bible. 

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. 

"The wages of sin is death" that is the final punishment of the non elect,death. God is merciful,it is only the cruelness of man that such a creature would want a fellow human to suffer such great agony for ever. 

Remember the rule God set up in the bible when paul was beaten. A person could only receive 40 stripes save one. So 39 stripes(because 40 stripes is almost enough to kill someone) Throughout the bible you will find that when a person suffers it is only for a short while. The two thief's at the cross both suffered for a short while then the one on the left entered death he is non existence no suffering in a place called hell. (In fact the word for hell actually means grave). 

The thief on the right entered into the greatest joy a human can receive he entered into paradise. 


Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 
Luke 23:41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 
Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him Verily I say unto thee , Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. 



But anyways to the point 

You said that baby could be saved because the can't accept Jesus . Well first off John the baptist was saved in the womb,before he was even conceived. Secondly accepting Jesus doesn't mean anything this is a false teaching. No one accepts Jesus. Jesus accepts you. 

Tts 3:Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 

Everyone is evil there is not one person better than the other I'm just as wicked as Hitler or as Martin Luther king we are all sinners. 

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 

There are many people in the bible who believed on Jesus but were not saved for example judas iscariot is one,Saul believed in God but wasn't saved. There was a great multitude following Jesus that turned away because they loved the things of this world! 

There is a verse that says that says something like this " you believe then you do well. The devils also believe and tremble! So just because you believe doesn't mean your saved. 

So yes hitler COULD have been saved or Could have been unsaved. Only God knows the heart. And to many people this would make them mad that hitler might be saved, but people must remember ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD! 

You are almost right about the last thing you wrote we are not saved by works but by grace that is the Grace of God. But we can't accept Jesus Jesus accepts us. Accepting Jesus is a work. 

Sorry for the long post but I hope this answers some or all of your questions/comments. 

Remember God is a merciful God we always tend to look at all the bad things that happen and say "Gods not merciful) but it's our sin that has caused all the bad in this world. Just look at all the Mercies of God. Start with every single heartbeat. For his mercies are more in number than the sand that is by the seashore or the stars in the heavens!



posted on Jan, 21 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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The tread was not meant to be about Hell, but the general idea of condemnation by Got that the saying, "go to hell" normally implies.



posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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But I'm not a religious person... Never been to a church, never prayed, never sung hyms or any of that other silly crap..

Don't think religion and the words in some book are the answer to life.. People who spend hours in church praying for something are lazy (in my opinion), for wasting the time they could have used to go out and plough the fields...lol

Why pray at the table in thanks to god for the bounty you are about to pig out on..? God didn't grow the food, some guy did.. thank the guy not god..!!

I hate the religions of the world because they are all right and they are all better than eachother and it is ok to kill in your religions name. Burn a witch for being different or stone a whore for trying to make a living, cut off the head of a girl because she broke the law for losong her virginity while being raped..

Yet as someone who follows "NO religious faith", I would never commit such acts on any human being or animal alike..!!! (exept spiders, I hate spiders and they die on site if they are inside)..lol

Yet I would go to hell because of lack of religion, as opposed to the people who do these things to others....?

I am very proud of many of my own and other peoples achievements, yet according to the Bible, this is a sin and I'm going to hell..lol

If my finger breaks through the toilet paper and accidently slips in, this is sodomy and I'm going to hell (hell must be full of doctors who gave prostate exams, though the TSA people who end up there are def in the right place)...lol

I look at some woman with a nice rack, I'm going to hell (yet the two dogs going at it on the side of the road are A-OK to go).....

YOur religion is just a bunch of ancient rules and regulations that never did and never will make any sense..!!
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posted on Jan, 22 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Never been to a church . . .
I am probably showing my age but this seems unusual to me and maybe it is more common today, where you have people never exposed to this sort of religion. Back in the day, everyone went to church, as if it was mandatory where people who never did would be like half of one percent.
I think in the absence of such a thing, you developed your own version of a religion analog.

I would never commit such acts on any human being or animal alike..!!!
I think this demonstrates exceptional moral fortitude of a natural sort, where most people probably would have to be taught this.
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