People Who Say They Are Against Religion Are Going to Hell

reply to post by Philodemus

This person truely understands the New Covenant.

I wonder if you are reacting so severely to this thread because you subscribe to this once-saved-always-saved theory to where you are now free to be an atheist and when Judgment comes your old record will be pulled up and it will be discovered that on such and such a date, you believed, so you will be let into heaven
Nice!!

reply to post by jmdewey60


I will go to hell. I just want to live life following my own rules not rules forced on me. Religion is a form of control.

reply to post by Nolanhsch

I will go to hell. I just want to live life following my own rules not rules forced on me. Religion is a form of control.

I meant this thread to be a discussion for people who don't want to go to hell and have questions about what would be the proper amount of worship of God involved necessary for that goal to be achieved.
I did not mean this to be some sort of condemnation of people who have already made their decision to not get involved in regarding God whatsoever. My focusing point was this concept of who someone interested in going to heaven should listen to in order to be properly informed about what level of connection between the believer and God would seem to be appropriate considering you are asking God to create a heaven for you to go to, then raise you from the dead and personally escort you to that heaven.
Questions may arise in the mind of the person so engaged, such as, should I actually like this person (god) I am expecting to do all these things for me?

Originally posted by jmdewey60
I meant this thread to be a discussion for people who don't want to go to hell and have questions about what would be the proper amount of worship of God involved necessary for that goal to be achieved.

And you have the answers to these questions? On whose authority do you answer them?

If this was meant to be a discussion about people who DON'T want to go to hell, why is the title addressed to those who you say ARE going to hell? Seems a less confronting title might have been something like "Questions about how to get to heaven? Ask Me How!" or "So, you want to worship God? Find out How!" or something welcoming and discussion-inducing like that...

Instead, your title attacks those who don't agree with you right off the bat... It's terrible posting form, really.

I did not mean this to be some sort of condemnation of people who have already made their decision to not get involved in regarding God whatsoever.

I'm sorry. After reading the title again, I can only say that I don't believe you. This is definitely a hit piece on non-religious people. I invite you to read your OP again, just to refresh your memory and then try to tell me that it's not a hit piece and you're innocently wishing to engage in discussion with like-minded people:

Originally posted by jmdewey60
Anyone who says they are against religion is against God, and have some sort of hatred towards God and want to create an illusion for themselves that they can hide from God in a bubble to where inside this bubble they are invisible to God and can do whatever they want and they will be protected from any punishment.

In fact, such people believe that their sins have been transferred to another person to take that punishment for them, on an individual bases, meaning a personal salvation, just for them, in this delusional world which they have created for themselves.

Ah, yes, loving worshipers of God, let's join around and "discuss" how hateful, delusional and selfish non-believers are... Let's revel in the idea that they're going to suffer while we, the righteous, are loving, selfless and kind...

My focusing point was this concept of who someone interested in going to heaven should listen to in order to be properly informed about what level of connection between the believer and God would seem to be appropriate considering you are asking God to create a heaven for you to go to, then raise you from the dead and personally escort you to that heaven.

Since you seem to have the answers about worshiping, etc., and want to share, what IS the proper amount of time for me to worship in a week?

What level of connection between myself and God is "appropriate"?

I am listening.
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

If this was meant to be a discussion about people who DON'T want to go to hell, why is the title addressed to those who you say ARE going to hell?

I was hoping intelligent readers would take a glance at the OP rather than just go into a flurry of writing activity after only reading the title.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I did read the OP. I posted it in my previous post and commented on it. And you're still trying to say that you were "inviting discussion"??? I'm afraid your approach is not conducive to selling whatever religious dogma you're have for sale.

Have a nice day. Goodbye.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

I'm not saying that you did not read the OP. I'm answering your question of why the thread title seems to be different from my intended purpose for the thread.

My "dogma" would be something like, How would you expect someone you openly disrespect (and hold as a personal virtue, disrespecting) to save you from hell?

Ah, yes, loving worshipers of God, let's join around and "discuss" how hateful, delusional and selfish non-believers are... Let's revel in the idea that they're going to suffer while we, the righteous, are loving, selfless and kind...

Would you like to give an example from this thread which illustrates anyone having that sort of attitude?
I could not care less what people hold as a personal belief.
What I do care about are self described prophets who pretend to be Christians and are here to instruct people on how to go to heaven, while what they are describing is exactly how to go to hell, in my opinion.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I know I said I would "sign off" on this thread, but you have got to be kidding me.

Have you read what I written, or did you start this thread just so that you could ignore or only partially listen to what your responders would say? Perhaps your attention span is limited to two or three sentences? Like a goldfish? I have noticed that your linguistic skills are rather rudimentary. Apparently, my lexicon is much more refined then yours, so maybe your just having trouble keeping up.

I did take the time to look up one of your past threads. I believe the topic was something along the lines of if someone says jesus' name any other way then your way there is a chance they're possessed.www.abovetopsecret.com... You sensational prick. What's with all this drivel. Mod's forgive me if I break decorum, but this member intentionally incites these sorts of reactions and to be honest I would like to put the icing on his cake so as to not disappoint his obvious intent.

I am an atheist. I do not believe in an afterlife. I do not believe in Hell. I do not believe in Heaven, God, Satan, angels, ghosts, spirits or anything else “supernatural”. I believe in the excellent science being carried out everyday around the glob and inorbit above our heads, by qualified men and women who are smart then I and obviously much, much smarter then you.

So, if you want to ignore the clear and straightforward logical inadequacy of your so-called argument and turn on me in such a distasteful and untempered way a way that Christ (if he had actually existed) would never have dared tread, then so be it. You look more and more foolish with every post.

I made sense. I asked you to state your position on a number of things and I did so point blank. You refused so now, I will tell you this:

You sir, are an idiot, an ignorant religious zealot, who has placed his faith in an occult “religion” founded by a deluded heretical women who wasn't even sure who her Christ really was, plagiarized the homicidal maniac, Joseph Smith and further more endorsed William Miller, a false prophet.

Furthermore, you haven't had any formal schooling whatsoever. Before I realized that God was a delusion, I received over 12 year of theological instruction by people who could actually read the original languages and many of whom sit on international non-denominational boards that continually conduct studies and translational exercises.

So, please for the consideration of all of the REAL scholars on this site, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop this backhanded nonsense that leads all of us nowhere but in a circle on your freewheel of slapstick ignorance

reply to post by Philodemus


I get tired of this little game people play where they throw out a pile of convoluted rhetoric, then a couple posts later (after I already said I was having problems picking out a clear question) accusing me of avoiding answering questions.
This seems to be the only way anyone can trap me to make me look bad because they can't do it using my actual words.

reply to post by Philodemus

You sir, are an idiot, an ignorant religious zealot, who has placed his faith in an occult “religion” founded by a deluded heretical women who wasn't even sure who her Christ really was, plagiarized the homicidal maniac, Joseph Smith and further more endorsed William Miller, a false prophet.

I was placed, by birth, in the forth generation of Adventists, so it was not something I happened onto and thought, 'This is what I really want to believe in'. I'm hardly a good example of this particular religion but it does not come from lack of trying, or a general rebelliousness but just my personal opinions I arrived at after some study. It's not something I get worried about since I don't see any other denominations that I think are better, and again, that is not from a lack of trying, including attending a lot of Catholic, and Jewish services.
I mention my denominational background because some people imagine I am in one cult or another and I am not, though I was involved with a particular sect of Adventists who were into the more liberal granting of salvation type concept, so why I know a lot about it and disagree, again as a result of forming opinions after further study.

Nevermind, waste of time.

But the OP and thread title are completely absurd, that much I will say.

reply to post by Gigatronix

You could explain in what way they are absurd, as in; absurd in that hell is a fantasy which does not really exist, or; absurd in thinking that how we think of God has anything to do with whether we might go to hell, or not.

reply to post by jmdewey60

Those are good points yeah. The real problem I have though, is that you think you possess the authority to make such sweeping and profound proclamations about MY spirit, when you do not.

People that believe in God are going to spend eternity in a godless limbo. Sound good?

reply to post by Gigatronix

People that believe in God are going to spend eternity in a godless limbo.

As a counter-claim to my "sweeping proclamation"?
You can say that if you want and if it is your opinion, you are entitled to it.
I suppose then that your main objection is to my attitude that I could have opinions about what may or may not happen to other people in a possible future after-life. I really don't and use it in a more common sort of usage where it is a way of expressing this idea that someone would not be favorably regarded by God. Whatever potential punishments ensued would be meted out by God and I have no precise way of determining exactly how that would work out but I have a hunch it is not paradise in Heaven.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Except you are not stating opinions, you are saying if I am against religion I WILL got to hell. This is your opinion obviously, but you are saying it as if it were fact. You'd be better off invoking Pascal's Wager and starting a debate, than just flatly saying "You are going to hell". Not to mention, the Thread title is completely off, if a good, decent, god fearing believer says he is against religion, he's still going to hell?

I'm noticing a trend around this site: Poorly worded OP's and thread titles. C'mon guys, I'm all for you having an opinion and wanting to debate stuff, but put some more thought into how you start the conversation.

reply to post by Gigatronix

the Thread title is completely off, if a good, decent, god fearing believer says he is against religion, he's still going to hell?

That's my point, I'm talking about people who are not "God fearing".
These are people who believe they can order God around and use incantations to force God to save them, then they teach people that since we have this power over God, we can freely perpetrate all forms of evil against our fellow man with absolute impunity. All the while pretending to be perfectly good Christians and in conformity with "traditional, orthodox Christianity".

reply to post by jmdewey60


Ooooook, your target demographic is extremely small then, because there are very few people that would behave so outlandishly and get by in the world for very long. That being the case, this thread is unneccessary, because there are few people that this would actually apply to. You are talking about a lunatic fringe really.

reply to post by Gigatronix

My "target" as you describe, is persons I want to identify by type so as my intended audience would be sufficiently suspicious of people on the forum seeming to be prophesying about a form of free grace. You need to look out for a general abusive attitude and a predilection for the use of profanity, which should be an indication of what sort of spirit indwells them.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
Religion is worshiping God.
Anyone who says they are against religion is against God, and have some sort of hatred towards God and want to create an illusion for themselves that they can hide from God in a bubble to where inside this bubble they are invisible to God and can do whatever they want and they will be protected from any punishment.

Sounds like you are talking about atheists here, don't see any reference to new agey internet prophets talking about transferring their sins to another body blah blah blah.

In fact, such people believe that their sins have been transferred to another person to take that punishment for them, on an individual bases, meaning a personal salvation, just for them, in this delusional world which they have created for themselves.

This sounds like the process of accepting JC as your savior since he took the punishment for YOU. You are all over the place man.

I swear this place turned into a insane asylum or something.

I'm outta here, peace.

reply to post by Gigatronix

Sounds like you are talking about atheists here, don't see any reference to new agey internet prophets talking about transferring their sins to another body blah blah blah.

I was talking about my hypothetical example of a false prophet and their attitudes towards God, something I would not expect an atheist to have, seeing how they would not believe in God to have an attitude towards Him to start with.