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Iowa Aftermath – Ensuring the Empire Comes to an End

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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Ron Paul’s third place finish in Iowa is sure to dishearten many a libertarian tonight. However, we must keep in mind what ultimately is best not just for America, but for the rest of the world.

Should Ron Paul actually go on to win the Republican candidacy, and then go on to win the Presidency, he just might actually be effective enough in his reforms to keep the corrupt empire from toppling on its head. His drastic planned cuts to military and social welfare programs might actually rescue the American economic system and keep the beast alive to fight another day.

In the long run, this would be disastrous for the rest of the world. After Ron Paul left office, the Empire would rebuild itself to its former glory and still be in a position to menace the rest of the world. I argue that it is far better to see the entire system destroy itself. Perhaps Ron Paul’s third place finish is all part of a grand design to make sure this corrupt violent system comes to an end once and for all.

With the election of Obama, Romney, Santorum, or any other hack besides Paul, we can say with total confidence that the American system will destroy itself in short order. The Chinese have already dumped the dollar in bilateral trade with Russia, have begun acquiring oil outside the dollar, and have positioned their own currency to assume the roll of the world reserve currency once the dollar finally collapses.

The Chinese are in a perfect position to make sure this happens as well. Should China decide to divest itself of its dollar holdings and refuse to conduct trade in dollars, it could sink the entire American economy overnight, leaving us with nothing but bombs and crappy cars for the masses. There is no reason to think that they will not eventually do this. The Chinese “need” us to buy their products like they need a hole in the head, and the Chinese people know it.

If China gives us all their products, and all we give them in return are paper notes that we ran off a printing press, eventually they are going to stop taking the pretty paper and start demanding real goods in exchange for real goods. This is why the international gold standard was so important in maintaining the balance of trade between countries – to prevent the very scenario that is taking place today.

While this may sound scary, a Ron Paul loss may very well be for the best – at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned. America will go on to start a new war with Iran and I’m sure our politicos will blame the new war for all of America’s economic problems. But in the end, it doesn’t matter. The dollar will finally be destroyed by our government’s own hands, and in the process, the government will finally destroy itself. The empire will end and the world will once again know some modicum of peace and prosperity, at least until the next violent State asserts itself across the globe.

Obama’s own administration officials have admitted in private that their plan is to ultimately destroy the dollar. So we know with even more certainty that an Obama re-election would ensure that the empire crumbles under the weight of its own looting. Romney has taken just as much cash from the banking and military industrial establishment as Obama, so it stands to reason he will carry out the same plan as well. They will extract every last pound of flesh they can from the public’s hide before the system finally tanks. We are in the final stages of Rome burning and the thieves are simply taking whatever they can grab before the whole house of cards finally comes down.

The only way to stop the wars entirely is to take the power of the printing press out of the hands of violent politicians and put it back into the hands of the people.

Use Bitcoins and topple the State.

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As a side note on vote fraud in Iowa, Brad Funkhouser writes for Lew Rockwell.com:


"I've been following Iowa GOP vote counts for a long time ... They are being slow-walked...in 2012. Negotiations are going on... Cash is changing hands. Apparently GOP chieftains are 'persuading,' by one means or the other, Perry and Bachmann people who hold considerable hold sway over large blocs of votes to switch to Romney and Santorum - leaving Ron in the dust... Also abusing suddenly lax ID registration may have created many fake votes for neocons Santorum and Romney. Santorum has no organization, never drew over 100 people during his entire campaign. Of course he did bribe and received the benediction of of that 'family' leader who demanded 1 million dollars that were to be distributed in part to cronies. This is the biggest fraud since Kennedy stole the West Virginia Primary. Perry had built a pretty organization and was around 13% of the vote. He drew far larger crowds than Santorum and ends up with just 10%. Did those votes go. Santorum? Santorum didn't earn 24% of the vote."




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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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Iowa is wrong every year about who will be president. Why does it matter?



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Drezden
Iowa is wrong every year about who will be president. Why does it matter?


It really doesn't matter.

I don't think it would matter even if Paul won in a landslide.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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i hope ron paul wins and turn this country's direction, but honestly i agree with you- i think this will all collapse and maybe for the better



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Seeing as how Iowa is in the north and the majority of RP supporters are not... I don't figure it really matters who won the caucus either



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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I'm a huge Ron Paul supporter but there is a difference between supporting a candidate who wants to bring America back to its constitutional roots and anarchy.

If the USA goes bankrupt and tanks, -- then China or maybe even Russia may very well become the dominant global power and if you think either of those countries are more tolerant or more freedom oriented, or even better for the environment than the USA, you are mistaken.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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I think this election destroyed Iowa's credibility. Santorum? LMAO. Must be the pesticides but I think Iowans have been lobotomized or something.


P.S

FAWK You!

The USA might not be doing that great atm, but compared to the Euro trash nations, Russia, China and every other nation on the planet, we are doing pretty decent for the amount of power we have.

And it doesn't matter about China because we have real wealth: Food, Oil, and other natural resources in huge abundance.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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I like a lot that Ron Paul say's, but I don;t agree with all of it. I'm the first guy to vote for a more limited government, living with in our means, and staying out of peoples faces overseas unless it is absolutely in our national interest to do so. And frankly it rarely is. But at the same time the US is the largest economic power on Earth (still for now) and has the most powerful military ever to exist on the planet. And thats not likely to change anytime soon. Unfortunately its also true that that big a footprint also makes us a very big target.

The idealistic world of Ron Paul seems to smack like 1930's isolationist America to me. That delusionary spell was only broken by a world war. Never a good way to break any delusion. And though I am very much a guy who lives by the rule "you leave me alone I leave you alone", the real world is just not like that. I wish very much it was otherwise. But wishing doesn't make things come true. When its your turn to bat, you step up to the plate or you forfeit the game. And I'm not willing to have us do that.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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china will consume themselves as their water decreases and the deserts take over. we will vote this year with our second amendment and put a close to Washington, then start the short process of elimination of the corruption, corporation by corporation, billionaire by billionaire, until the planet is free of globalist agendas



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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If China gives us all their products, and all we give them in return are paper notes that we ran off a printing press, eventually they are going to stop taking the pretty paper and start demanding real goods in exchange for real goods. This is why the international gold standard was so important in maintaining the balance of trade between countries – to prevent the very scenario that is taking place today.


Good, the minute they refuse our money we can go back to American Made!
Then we can switch back to the gold standard and make them buy all of our AWESOME quality product that don't break in 2 years.



posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by korathin
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And it doesn't matter about China because we have real wealth: Food, Oil, and other natural resources in huge abundance.


Only if the State allows us to take those resources out of the ground and turn them into something useful.

All those regulations and taxes people love? They aren't helping matters.

Further, when the currency is debased, it distorts the structure of production. This prevents the economy from creating goods and services that people actually need. When the government creates jobs it creates things like TSA agents, ATF agents, useless bureaucrats, basically people who produce nothing of value for society. You can't sell a TSA agent to China in exchange for radios or MP3 players.




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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Alaska does every year. It is called a PFD. Permanent Dividend Fund.

Alaska owns all of its own oil and mineral rights and sells it to the US Gov, and returns that money to Alaskan residents every year. I've seen it go from $800 to $2400 (when oil prices spiked Alaskans made some money)



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
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Alaska does every year. It is called a PFD. Permanent Dividend Fund.

Alaska owns all of its own oil and mineral rights and sells it to the US Gov, and returns that money to Alaskan residents every year. I've seen it go from $800 to $2400 (when oil prices spiked Alaskans made some money)


Great.

Alaska will support the entire US with its oil based welfare program.

Sounds like a wonderful existence.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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I think Alaska got it right, though I agree this model would not likely work with the rest of the country, too many special interests and people with way too much to lose. I just got off the phone with a guy I know who lives in Alaska. And he could not stop giggling, he said he was having so much fun... As a guy who worries about frankly everything I could not help but feel all that frivolity was quite depressing.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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I think most everyone sees the writing on the wall at this point, and we (Americans) know we're in for hard times like we've never known - not the whites at least, ba-dump chi! Our government is likely about to crash hard at the federal level, be it in this decade, the next or the one after, but by the end of this century no one is going to think of America in the same light they do now. How they see us - U.S. - then will depend on what we choose to do as a people now and in the near future to take back the reins.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Personally I hope it does all come crashing down. Maybe then people will be willing to consider options like the one I proposed in another thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I don't think we would have to replace the dollar with anything, and live much better than we're living now. Unfortunately it's gonna take something as drastic as the dollar collapsing to wake people up.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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I will not support option self destruct while this republic can still be saved. It is the people who will decide if they want an empire or a republic. People need to understand the idea of true freedom and liberty and President Paul will bring these ideas back to America.

The empire will always rebuild itself. It is our nature as a species to rule over others as Kings and Emperors. If America falls we revert back to default and default is not a viable option. Slavery is not a viable option. The dark ages were not a viable option. Rome is not a viable option.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:17 AM
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I like a lot that Ron Paul say's, but I don;t agree with all of it. I'm the first guy to vote for a more limited government, living with in our means, and staying out of peoples faces overseas unless it is absolutely in our national interest to do so.


You say all that, and then you go on to explain why you won't vote for Ron Paul? Your comment of "smacking of isolationism" is a bit off base. Like, around left field. His attitude is non-interventionist. There are links all over Google that explain the difference.

While I would LOVE to see a viable third party candidate, there aren't any available. Any third party candidate will split the Republican vote enough to get Obama reelected. Unless that's who you want, I guess. If you want someone who will continue to destroy our economy, keep piling more and more restrictions on our freedoms, and continue our empire-building by subjugating the rights of people to exist in other nations, by all means, vote for not Ron Paul.

/TOA
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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I smell a rat...Paul should have won!

Gimme a break Paul had more Caucus Reps by a mile - even FOX reported that?



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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*sigh* I guess you right... I was hoping this would be the year Americans saw sense, on reflection I guess I was being unrealistic in that hope.

Still watching the US in this state is like watching an old friend drink themselves to death




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