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Hebrews and Muslims living Peacefully together in the Holy Bible

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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I was pretty surprised to discover most Jews would like to live in peace with their neighbors and would like to stop building settlements but it is the government factions and extremists who have it by the balls on both sides who are perpetuating a war in the Mideast. It seems to be more about getting the US involved through the back door so they can control what happens to some of the oil. It is all about the oil and corporate sponsored war. These are manufactured and perpetuated hatreds that want to die out but there are factions small and powerful who keep fanning the flames and when they die out too much they will pour gasoline on the burning embers of hatred and get it going again. All about the oil...The people of both sides are not on board with the sentiments held by their corrupt leaders.




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by Trolloks
Wasn't Islam created several centuries after the new testament was written?

Second.


Islam was not "created".

Islam means "submitting your will to God".


And that is the belief of all the prophets.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Intuitvely I'd say that Christians, Muslims and Jews were created by the same "source" to go from creative conflict to harmony one day. They are three different versions of faith so that each may find his/her version and ultimately learn respect of each other.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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Alrighty, thanks guys for your comments! I needed some input on this topic.

For the record, I am not anti-Semitic and I happen to pray for the Jews and the peace of Jerusalem. I bless the Jews and wish them the best (they are going to need it with the coming Great Tribulation, or Time of Jacob's trouble!!!)

I however do not "support" the Jews and would not send money there way in the form of foreign aid. Nor would I fight for them against Iran or any other Country.

NO where in the Bible does it say I, a Christian, am suppose to FIGHT for the Jews, much less give them my money. I have one obligation to the Jews, and one only: To give them the Truth of the Glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It is GOD'S job to Fight for the Jews, as well as support them. This is irrefutable.

--------As for the Land in Israel, I hold to God First restoring Israel PHYSICALLY in their land.......in order to better KILL them in the coming tribulation.

-------After the second advent, God will restore the Jews SPIRITUALLY and they will be His people once again.

Both these facts are also irrefutable and I would love to discuss it with BIBLE verses if anyone dares disagree.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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i don't understand how Jews and Muslims will be living together DURING THE MILLENNIUM(after satan is bound) if according to the bible,and history we dont worship the same GOD. so how would a Muslim make it to the millennium in the first place? are you suggesting there will be Muslims(religious not sons of Ishmael) during the millennial reign of Christ?




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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i don't understand how Jews and Muslims will be living together DURING THE MILLENNIUM(after satan is bound) if according to the bible,and history we dont worship the same GOD. so how would a Muslim make it to the millennium in the first place? are you suggesting there will be Muslims(religious not sons of Ishmael) during the millennial reign of Christ?


Not only will a small amount of modern day Muslims make it into the Millennium, but so will many gentile nations and Atheists like China and humanists as well.

You have to remember that during the tribulation, 2/3rds of the people alive on earth today will be killed. That still leaves roughly 2 billion people that make it through the tribulation and into Christs Military controlled dictatorship Kingdom, ruling from Jerusalem, with Israel's tribes as the owners of the land.

Those two billion people that make it to the millennium will be the ones that make up the rebellion that takes place after the 1000 year millennium as found in Revelation 20-21.

Even with Satan bound and no Satanic influence on the people of earth, Humans still hate, and rebel against God.

So how do those that survive the Great tribulation get eternal life and forgiveness at the start of the Millennium and through out it?........


ZECHARIAH 8:23
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that GOD IS WITH you. "



And I have about 500 more verses that go along with this one.
That Holy Bible is an Amazing Book. People have no clue as to the power and truth it holds.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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i personally think Christ will transform or resurrect all the souls (raptured,dead,or alive)when he comes back to reign the millennium. from where are you getting that the 12 tribes inherit the millennium.,revelations say that there was a new heaven and a new earth. this is the earth of the monarchy of Christ for the thousand years. i dont believe we will be in the flesh in the millennium, is my point. if the rapture happens before the millenium and we are transformed at that point. than a seven year tribulation. only to come back to flesh? why is the church(seven golden lamp-stands) in the presence of god in revelation ch 4.1-5.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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THERE WILL BE NO PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS EVEN IF THEY MAKE IT PAST THE GREAT TRIBULATION THEY WILL HAVE TO REPENT TO ENTER THE MILLENNIUM, IF YOU MEAN ARABS THAN YES MANY ARABS THAT ACCEPTED CHRIST WILL BE WITH US, BUT TO THINK PEOPLE WILL LIVE PAST THE TRIBULATION AND SEE CHRIST RETURN AND REIGN AND STILL BE MUSLIM OR ATHEIST , OR ANY OTHER THAN KNEEING DOWN AND BOWING DOWN AT THE MOMENT YOU SEE HIM IS JUST WAY PAST ME
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 01:59 AM
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Lets see if this is "way past you" too...

What happens when and if Christ returns and he b!tchslaps all you so called "christians" for not following his teachings?



That's why there exists the doctrine of rewards. We gain them or lose them based on our faithfulness.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
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BUT TO THINK PEOPLE WILL LIVE PAST THE TRIBULATION AND SEE CHRIST RETURN AND REIGN AND STILL BE MUSLIM


Sure, seeing as Jesus himself was also muslim. What is the problem here?

Or do you say he was a christian? Did he ever say that? Did he say "I am christian"?

Or did he say that he SUBMITS TO THE WILL OF GOD - which is EXACTLY what "muslim" means.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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i personally think Christ will transform or resurrect all the souls (raptured,dead,or alive)when he comes back to reign the millennium. from where are you getting that the 12 tribes inherit the millennium.,revelations say that there was a new heaven and a new earth. this is the earth of the monarchy of Christ for the thousand years.

Well, the way the Holy Bible has the order laid out is Revelation 19 being the "Day if the Lord" beginning with the Second Advent of Jesus Christ as He comes back and starts killing. He was killing up in Heaven by being the only one able to open the 7 Seals and thus is directly responsible for the deaths recorded in all of Revelation 4-19. Then He returns physically and starts killing again.

Revelation 20:2 is the beginning of the Millennium as Satan is bound and the 1000 years. Rev 20:4 shows Christians ruling as kings on thrones during the millennium. God does raise the dead faithful Hebrews through out time to enjoy the Millennium though. This is called the first resurrection as verses 5 and 6 show.

Rev 20:5 show God does not resurrect all the other dead (gentiles and wicked Jews) until AFTER the Millennium. Then they are judged at the great white throne judgement. 11-15

This takes place after Gog and Magog attack Jesus Christ and His Saints in Jerusalem though. verses 6-10


i dont believe we will be in the flesh in the millennium, is my point. if the rapture happens before the millenium and we are transformed at that point. than a seven year tribulation. only to come back to flesh? why is the church(seven golden lamp-stands) in the presence of god in revelation ch 4.1-5.


Christians will be in a Body like Jesus Christ had after He was resurrected. It will be a body like the modern day "Superman" Comics......for real. Its where Friedrich Nietzsche got the idea from....the Bible. DC comics stole it later on.

Trust me, you could not "come back in the flesh" as found in Revelation 19:14 You would need quite the different body to survive out space just to say the least.

The church is in the presence of God in Rev 4:1-5 because they were ruptured up. Typified by John getting told to "Come up hither" in Rev 4:1


THERE WILL BE NO PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS EVEN IF THEY MAKE IT PAST THE GREAT TRIBULATION THEY WILL HAVE TO REPENT TO ENTER THE MILLENNIUM, IF YOU MEAN ARABS THAN YES MANY ARABS THAT ACCEPTED CHRIST WILL BE WITH US, BUT TO THINK PEOPLE WILL LIVE PAST THE TRIBULATION AND SEE CHRIST RETURN AND REIGN AND STILL BE MUSLIM OR ATHEIST , OR ANY OTHER THAN KNEEING DOWN AND BOWING DOWN AT THE MOMENT YOU SEE HIM IS JUST WAY PAST ME


Some will repent....some want. Where do you think the people come from that rebel against God after the 1000 years? And on top of that, why are there so many laws to follow during the Millennium if everyone will just worship God only?

According to the Bible, nations in the Millennium that don't worship God and give GIFTS to His people Israel will not get any rain on there lands! Now why would that verse be in there unless......people still didn't obey God?

ZECHARIAH 14:17-18
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be NO RAIN.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have NO RAIN; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.



With that in mind, why does Jesus Christ have to rule with a "rod of iron"....if everyone obeys Him? Rev 2:27, 12:5, Isa 11:4

The truth is......people will still hate God through out the tribulation, Millennium, all the way to the last judgement.

This is why God has to make a "New Heaven, and a New Earth" populated by those who lived THIS CURRENT LIFE looking for a heavenly city......



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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i would ask him. why he did so many supernatural miracles in my life if i was not following "his teachings"
than i would bow down and turn the other cheek.
im sure if he bitch-slaps me you have some $#@ coming for you



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
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i would ask him. why he did so many supernatural miracles in my life if i was not following "his teachings"
than i would bow down and turn the other cheek.
im sure if he bitch-slaps me you have some $#@ coming for you


Considering you know nothing about me... i'd love to know how you came to that conclusion...

Assume much?

Perhaps you're just a little sensitive




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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i will not get down to your level that question is extremely obvious and to believe that Christ was a muslim?
the muslim religion pre-dates mohamed we do not worship the same GOD.
get the basic history right. you have not done your homework



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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let me ask you the same thing you seem to know me relly well since you think i should be bitch slapped.
i think its pretty obvious whos the sensitive one. you probably couldnt kill a fly, thats how it goes on the net the first to act agressive is relly hiding in a shell. if you only knew me you would not talk to me like that,. im not sayng i would hit a girl but watch your temper



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
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let me ask you the same thing you seem to know me relly well since you think i should be bitch slapped.
i think its pretty obvious whos the sensitive one. you probably couldnt kill a fly, thats how it goes on the net the first to act agressive is relly hiding in a shell. if you only knew me you would not talk to me like that,. im not sayng i would hit a girl but watch your temper


funny guy...


As a matter of fact i "wouldn't" kill a fly... Though i've never lost a fight either... and i was a boxer for 2 years, and a kickboxer for 2 1/2


IF i knew you, i most definatly would talk to you like that... and IF you knew me, you would know better then to call me a girl... lucky i don't take offence easily.

Don't let the kitty fool you bro...

And just so you know, i wasn't speaking to you alone... i meant most Christians in general. IF Jesus returned he would be disgusted by the state of Christianity.... that is a fact.

And by the way i don't have a temper, and im a pacifist as well...

Interesting what you can assume about someone by their avatar eh


All good though... heres one for ya...

When you Assume.... You only make an ass out of u not me




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Christ does not kill anybody upon his return hes riding a horse[rev 19.11 and in his mouth is a sword(THE WORD)
his presence destroys ....the angels call upon the birds to eat the flesh of generals and kings. all though some people might survive the tribulation they will have to bow down to Christ to enter the kingdom. i have a feeling that the rebellion after the thousand years will be from with in those in the body of Christ at that time [REV20.4]we will reproduce and with no more death. from there will come the millions of people who will follow satan when the thousand years are over.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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while i really did think you were a girl..not from your avatar i swear....i apologize... whom was casting the first stone?...you did... i also spent time on the ring,prison,and in the streets. i can see right threw you and im not even looking at you. so tell me what gives you the authority to judge first of all me than most importantly how i should follow the teachings of Christ? not only that, i am glad Christ gives me strength to turn the other cheek some times other wise i would not be here right now because of my short temper.i follow his teachings because of the sacrifice he did for me at the cross not because of fear of spending eternity in the lake of fire.

FEAR NO MAN BUT GOD
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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while i really did think you were a girl..not from your avatar i swear....i apologize...


No problem...


whom was casting the first stone?...you did...


Incorrect...

technically you did... take a look...

THERE WILL BE NO PEOPLE OF OTHER RELIGIONS EVEN IF THEY MAKE IT PAST THE GREAT TRIBULATION THEY WILL HAVE TO REPENT TO ENTER THE MILLENNIUM, IF YOU MEAN ARABS THAN YES MANY ARABS THAT ACCEPTED CHRIST WILL BE WITH US, BUT TO THINK PEOPLE WILL LIVE PAST THE TRIBULATION AND SEE CHRIST RETURN AND REIGN AND STILL BE MUSLIM OR ATHEIST , OR ANY OTHER THAN KNEEING DOWN AND BOWING DOWN AT THE MOMENT YOU SEE HIM IS JUST WAY PAST ME


So you're condeming all other religions... only those that believe exactly what you do will be left... that is funny.




i also spent time on the ring,prison,and in the streets. i can see right threw you and im not even looking at you.


no you really can't see anything... you're just assuming once again.

And what did i just say about assuming?

Interesting though... what did you spend time in prison for if you don't mind me asking? Were you "christian" at the time? Not that it matters either way... Most christians are quite happy to break their own rules... why not break the law as well...


so tell me what gives you the authority to judge first of all me than most importantly how i should follow the teachings of Christ?


Your own book...

And im not judging you... i don't care what you believe or what you do... But since you are "Christian" its usually a safe bet that you do not know your lord.


not only that, i am glad Christ gives me strength to turn the other cheek some times other wise i would not be here right now because of my short temper


Exactly my point... You do not know your lord.

The discretion of a man makes him slow to anger, and it is to his glory to overlook a transgression...


Therefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God...

Good luck with that by the way



i follow his teachings because of the sacrifice he did for me not because of fear of spending eternity in the lake of fire.


Again its pretty safe to say you do not follow his teachings... though this is an assumption i know nothing of what you do in your life... but i've seen you on these forums blasting people with Caps lock.

As far as i can see you "claim" to follow his teachings out of fear... that is the wrong approach in my humble opinion...

Talk is cheap my friend... anyone can talk the talk...

Though few can walk the walk...




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