reply to post by kawika
Lets see. Where have you gone wrong; let's review:
You have failed to understand the issues here.
Which issues are those? The issues at stake that I know I do understand are the Constitutional eligibility requirements for place of birth, age,
residency, never impeached, never convicted of treason, not exceeded term limits. I also understand the purpose of official certification of vital
events and the full faith and credit clause in the Constitution. Furthermore, I understand the concepts of innocent until proven guilty and separation
of powers. That pretty much covers it I think. Oh, yeah, IANAL, but for an amateur, I can read a court case, especially a SCOTUS case and pretty much
understand what it is saying and more importantly, what it doesn't say.
Finally, I understand that the most important issue is the information on the birth certificate and that the State of Hawai'i has certified that that
information is correct.
It is clear from your posts, the you understand very little of those issues, but do you think are the issues that I don't understand? Please do
No one has seen original documents. What was released is an obvious forgery.
For a start, Politifact has seen the original 2007 Standard Birth Certificate from Hawai'i. Then a whole room of reporters, including some from WND,
saw the 2011 non-Standard Birth Certificate from Hawai'i. What have been published are scanned images and photographed images of both versions of the
You incorrectly see forgery in the normal processing of those scanned images, but that processing is irrelevant because the images are not the Birth
Certificates. I'll correct that statement immediately, you don't see forgery, con-artists are telling you they see forgery and you simply repeat their
You cannot declare a Birth Certificate a forgery based on an image of that Birth Certificate, and neither can any of the fraudulent self-declared
experts who say that they can. Unless you can show the information on the image is different from the Birth Certificate. Not one of those fraudulent
'experts' has attempted to show any such thing. And no one can because the State of Hawai'i has certified the information (that is what a Birth
Certificate is) and repeatedly declared that the information on the images is the same as what is on the Birth Certificate and in their records.
And it is the information that is important, not whether an image of the Birth Certificate is a layered PDF or not, that is a bogus red herring (not
even a real red herring!). The information on the Birth Certificate is the same as the information on the images of the Birth Certificates and that
information supports the fact that Obama is eligible to be President.
That is the issue that YOU don't understand.
Maybe in your country you are willing to lay down and take it, when government is abusive, corrupt, unlawful.
My country is your country (at least I assume it is). What are you trying to say about yourself here?
But many of us, self included took an oath, to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.
As have I. Part of the responsibility of that oath is to educate yourself about the Constitution and you seem to have failed miserably. How then can
you pretend to understand who or what is an enemy to that Constitution?
We will not go quietly while the constitution is shredded. We may not win in court, but we will at least go to court.
Trying to destroy the most fundamental construct in the Constitution, the separation of powers, is not protecting the Constitution. The separation of
powers concept is the single most effective structural element in the Constitution to guard against dictatorship and tyranny. The Constitution gives
the responsibility of determining the eligibility of the President and Vice-President to Congress and not the Courts (and certainly not to the
States). Yet by seeking to force the political question of eligibility in to the Courts you are eroding that vital Constitutional precept.
Exactly who is in the business of shredding the Constitution here?
My Grandfather spent the war in the South Pacific on Manus and Los Negros islands. That must be close to where you are. Maybe my grandfather knew your
My grandfather and my father spent the war on the home front in Detroit building the planes and tanks that your grandfather used in his part of the
war. My wife's uncle, a pilot in the RAAF during the Battle of the Coral Sea was beheaded by the enemy after being shot down over Papua. His watch was
found on a captured prisoner of war 18 months later.
Thanks to all their efforts and sacrifices you and I can freely argue these points without fear of the thought police knocking on our doors. How long
will that freedom last if you continue to demand that the Constitution be invalidated every time someone you don't like wins an election?
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