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reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 08:09 PM by stumason

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SpaceX are actually working on a rocket called Falcon Heavy with a Dragon capsule for a mission to Mars and hope to have it underway within a decade. Space X was also the first entity to privately launch, orbit and recover a spacecraft.

There is also a project in the UK for a new type of engine that will allow a spacecraft to take off like a plane, then launch to orbit and then land again normally, all while lifting payloads that rival the biggest rockets. The comany developing it proved the engines as feasible last year to the ESA and are now entering advanced development phases now. The project is called Skylon and is being designed as a reusable, pilotless craft, but can be converted to be manned and could carry up to 30 Astronauts.

reply posted on 19-1-2012 @ 08:51 PM by DanielET

I honestly cant see TPTB allowing any honest private space ventures to be a success. Too many of their accumulated lies would be in jeopardy of being discovered!

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reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 02:37 AM by Maslo

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(Anglo-. Elon Musk and Bigelow Aerospace are the only ones who have shown success in test flights. But they don't have any customers

SpaceX has plenty of customers. Launch manifest:

www.spacex.com...

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 02:41 AM by Maslo

Making rubber tires for a car is one thing, but how about making thermal insulated ceramic tiles for a space shuttle that can withstand heat of 1,650 °C (3,000 °F).

Basic services such as launching things into space and orbital cargo capsules is a proven and almost routine technology, and there is a market of a few billion a year for the first. Let private companies handle it for increased efficiency, and let the NASA handle the cutting edge difficult stuff, such as deep space missions.

reply posted on 20-1-2012 @ 06:02 AM by stumason

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Funny, you have changed your post since I replied to it. Wonder why.

I shall address the new info. At the moment, the US lacks and real lift capability and its space programe is a mess. Russian rockets have a tendency to explode, but the Europeans have a very successful (and profitable) space programe. Then there is the Chinese, the Indians..

The days of Russian and US dominance of space are long gone, matey. If anything, you guys are in real danger of become second rate unless major changes are made. NASA at the moment is a money sink and with nothing real coming out of it for a long time, compared to ESA it is simply a black hole for cash.

reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 08:48 PM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by listerofsmeg
money is being made from space, where do you think all our TV satalites are.
As for making exploration a money making enterprise, only time will tell but we cant assume to know everything about are solar systems resources until we habit our solar system and take a look at these resources.
i think private space will work and is the only way humans will get to these stars.

Solar Sails was what I envision could power interstellar space exploration, rockets are old fashioned (the reason for high cost) and NASA ditched the shuttle (finally) but now Japan and other countries are just getting into the rocket jungle. Anglos are going to solve the problem of relativistic travel, and develop colonies however approach we are able to claw and figure out, but nuclear for Mars.

Corporations want to have a go then let's see if they can do it and not scam, otherwise—pfft! Wealth is not the stuff in asteroids it is the people working on the program, People are wealth. Future robotic spaceflight programs are exciting, we need more of those to be numero uno again. Scares me there about corporations, they don't have allegiance to any nation.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 09:08 PM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by MarkScheppy

Funny, you have changed your post since I replied to it. Wonder why.

I shall address the new info. At the moment, the US lacks and real lift capability and its space programe is a mess. Russian rockets have a tendency to explode, but the Europeans have a very successful (and profitable) space programe. Then there is the Chinese, the Indians..

The days of Russian and US dominance of space are long gone, matey. If anything, you guys are in real danger of become second rate unless major changes are made. NASA at the moment is a money sink and with nothing real coming out of it for a long time, compared to ESA it is simply a black hole for cash.

That confuses me, what you just said (I edit.) Nob hill funny

The continent (Europe) is bankrupt from what I heard. Russians are working on a moon colony with ESA and NASA help, putting boots on the ground. America and Russia know the most about the moon and the potential for making the water on it, to fuel.

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reply posted on 22-1-2012 @ 10:38 PM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by Maslo

Basic services such as launching things into space and orbital cargo capsules is a proven and almost routine technology, and there is a market of a few billion a year for the first. Let private companies handle it for increased efficiency, and let the NASA handle the cutting edge difficult stuff, such as deep space missions.

Don't have to go much of a step above the launch when private companies squealing for government "funding" or "assisting" development here or there. Boeing has a capsule that's supposed to carry a crew of seven to the International Space Station but they can't develop the capsule without help. Once you enter that vacuum all bets are off and you need to not screw up.

reply posted on 23-1-2012 @ 11:32 PM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by BinarySamurai
reply to post by MarkScheppy

I think private ventures would actually be more successful being as they will want to know exactly where their money is going and there will be less wasted resources this way. Government funded anything is a joke, people take advantage of it and wast taxpayer money on unnecessary things and time.

I don't know what you are talking about. Charming how people are propping up corporations as the saviours, but I know that the pessimism of Government disease and the ravings of people in the throw of that disease. It goes back to the World Order of Olympus and Zeus and prometheus tragedy story. That mankind is not supposed to attain a knowledge higher than that of an animal.

Most of the arguments for Corporations taking the reigns of space are fantasy-ridden. The key thing is to increase the energy flux density of power on earth (nuclear) and Boy you are ready for space travel, it is thousands of times better. And private enterprise don't have the aptitude to go with the philosophical approach the development of the material impulse, of the formative impulse, and finally the play impulse, Spieltrieb. Temperance is common to all three classes, and its the harmonious and beneficial relationship between them.
Government and Corporations, the latter is the weaker sex. NASA started going down to pot when they came up with the baffling idea of the Space Shuttle, it never was what it was originally supposed to be, a plane (spaceship) that could land and go up to Space on its own.

The idea of "Slop" is typified by the method of Jean Paul attacks on government and really the only true and proven way to have a space program that is capable of more than hovering up around low-earth orbit.

reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 12:52 AM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by MarkScheppy

There is also a project in the UK for a new type of engine that will allow a spacecraft to take off like a plane, then launch to orbit and then land again normally, all while lifting payloads that rival the biggest rockets. The comany developing it proved the engines as feasible last year to the ESA and are now entering advanced development phases now. The project is called Skylon and is being designed as a reusable, pilotless craft, but can be converted to be manned and could carry up to 30 Astronauts.

UK is too compartmentalized. You may need some of Werner Von Braun's notes or something . The Biggest and the baddest, maybe a new engine based on the technology that lifted the rocks of Stone Henge? The Monarchy doesn't go with new technology aren't they in Grandpa Green thinking, environmental concerns you don't want to damage the ozone with any Space Age techno fuel.

The Sermon on the Mount in Oil thinking is Seek Ye First profits and control, not going to phasing orbit.

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reply posted on 8-3-2012 @ 02:50 PM by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by NeoVain

Originally posted by avatar01
Space Tourism.

Might not be viable in current economy with current technology levels, but give it a few years and we'll see...

The problem isn't really technology or money, its the TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE that they don't want you to find out...

Terrible Secret?? Which is? The radiation?

Anyhow i agree with op insofar as that as long as there is no easy way to make money in space, private enterprises will find little reason to even go there and explore (except for sending up sattelites).

But rather than the op, i see an oppoortunity here: a challenge if you will: to find a way to MAKE money from space. With that incentive, i am sure alot of Space Enterprises would pop up like mushrooms, and we would be half-way to a
Star Trek kind of future.

Space tourism? That would be something, problem is it would be a really slow grind, considering the cost of sending people to space, not many people would be able to afford it. Maybe further on, with higher tech it would be cheaper and become more lucrative. But no, i think we need SOMETHING ELSE, to get us started. Mining minerals is pretty much out of the question, the only thing i could see is something that we could get from the environment which would be worth alot, and not easily gotten down here. Maybe some way to harvest the radiation?