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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:39 AM
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Well.. obviously that would hurt his campaign a lot! Remember all the people saying Gore was being a baby and etc? Think about the reaction from people that think fraud is impossible.




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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Do you see the logic in what you are saying? I am not trying to give you a hard time here but it's just mind boggling.

In saying your baseless line of reasoning in throwing Doctor Paul under the bus is leaving me in a serious state of WTF? Not that i care any more then what the next conspiracy theorist thinks. I mean your vote matters and RP could always use your support. But dude it's like if i went and complained about why are vegans on a PETA message board while eating a steak ya dig?

Or just assume everyone that supports Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist... wait that is what the MSM is branding RP's supporters. And why is it an issue now? Like you said you supported him for 2 elections and what have you. I seriously don't care about who supports Ron Paul. The more the merrier and why care? Ever hear of the useful idiot? I don't support Ron Paul's followers by supporting him. That is not how it works. People usually support a candidate that supports their needs and wants and best interests in mind. Besides maybe these "crybaby conspiracy nuts" may have more things in common with you then the things that you dont have in common. Or like the saying goes a glass half empty is a glass half full. Try to be a little more Optimistic and not so bitter. Just trying to help point to in the direction of reasoning.

Nuff said



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:57 AM
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Only 8 votes in Iowa got this guy




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:08 AM
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Did you see when Gingrich was talking and made a remark about 9/11 being performed by terrorists and "not by Americans!" He said it out of nowhere and the intention was to leave people thinking "who is he talking about" and then force them to leap to the conclusion the Dr. Paul must think that and that it's a jab at him.

So making an absurd statement he leaves a few people in the crowd thinking "huh I didn't know Paul was one of THOSE conspiracy people." He said it in the same breath as not smearing other candidates.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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So much has happened since august 2011

Iowa straw poll
iowagop.org...
August 13, 2011
2011 Straw Poll Full Results (Votes, %)
1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)
2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)
3. Governor Tim Pawlenty (2293, 13.57%)
4. Senator Rick Santorum (1657, 9.81%)
5. Herman Cain(1456, 8.62%)
6. Governor Rick Perry (718, 3.62%) write-in
7. Governor Mitt Romney (567, 3.36%)
8. Speaker Newt Gingrich (385, 2.28%)
9. Governor Jon Huntsman (69, 0.41%)
10. Congressman Thad McCotter (35, 0.21%)

the media ignored Ron Paul got 2nd place, and Jon Stewart called them out in his famous skit:
www.thedailyshow.com...
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by korathin
Romney has zero chance of winning period. He is just a soulless psychopath.

In the USA that gives you a very good chance of winning.

Interesting to see the media now changing their mind - Iowa WAS important (because Paul didn't win). It's all rather sickening.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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First off, yes, I'm a Paul supporter.

Secondly, I'd just like to come out and say congrats to Romney/Santorum. From what I watched tonight, it was mostly fair (Although I take issue with the vet that got cut), and I'm willing to concede that they put up a nice, fair, old fashioned fight. I'd like to say it wasn't rigged since I trust every candidate's supporters in Iowa that pledged to watch the vote, but obviously I can't make such a claim since I wasn't there myself.

Third place isn't something to be sad about. 49 other states, and this will hopefully give Paul more recognition/coverage. If nothing else, more people will see his name. That's not really a bad thing.

With 21% of the votes, they can't just dismiss Paul again, so I'm going to hold my tongue. You win some, you lose some, time to move on to New Hampshire


Again, congrats to Romney for winning, and Santorum for the good fight.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by korathin
Romney has zero chance of winning period. He is just a soulless psychopath.

In the USA that gives you a very good chance of winning.

Interesting to see the media now changing their mind - Iowa WAS important (because Paul didn't win). It's all rather sickening.



Yes if Paul would have won Iowa it wouldnt have mattered. But since Romney won, they're already placing him against Obama. Lets not forget how a Paul win would have discredited Iowa or how "we simply throw it out". Sickening indeed.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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So,Iowa was threatened: Vote for Ron Paul and your Caucus will be considered meaningless.Yeah,that's the American Way...



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously
So,Iowa was threatened: Vote for Ron Paul and your Caucus will be considered meaningless.Yeah,that's the American Way...


Basically. See but even that didnt really work. The biggest issue here is that votes were counted in a private "secret" place. You just believe what they say because they tell you what reality is. The problem is, people are too trusting of not only their Government, but also the media that does nothing but lie to them on a daily basis. And of course if you question anything you're simply labeled an insane conspiracy theorist.

Votes are counted in secret: Check
Votes are missing or lost: Check
Random person polling below 2% a week ago almost wins: Check
Media spins it so it looks like Iowa matters now: Check

Nope. Nothing to see here. This seems normal.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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So who has the delegate count - I read Paul, Santorum, Romney all tied. Go Ron!



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by EvilAxis
The People (represented by Ron Paul) versus the Corporatocracy (cheer-lead by the Mainsteam Media). It's starting to get interesting.

The old lies and spin wear thin as the age of the internet kicks in.

That self-proclaimed bastion of impartiality, the BBC World Service, has devoted plenty of airtime to "reporting" and speculating upon the outcome of this contest. Almost invariably, (including a couple of nights ago) Ron Paul's name is not uttered. He does not exist. Not once have they reported his leading position in the polls. How will they handle it if he wins? Which will it be - no further reporting of the Iowa Caucus or "We apologise, there is a fault. The winner is a nameless person whose image and voice cannot be registered with our equipment"?

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Biased against Ron Paul you say? Actually.....

www.bbc.co.uk...

www.bbc.co.uk...

Just a couple of the many articles where the BBC has featured him prominently.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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Sorry, but anywhere you go its Ron this and Ron that! I have never met a living breathing person who supported Romney, Have you?

Any Romney guys here at all? How many for Ron, sound off!

I am calling Bull #! Secret counts etc... etc...

Many say Ron has this huge internet support blah blah, but man the internet is the American peoples forum and voice! The MSM and a few paid actors are not the voice of the masses! Wake up people a man with no real public support won.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Romney and Santorum got 60,000 thousand votes between them. Ron got 26,000. I like Paul, but its fairly obvious from this polling the older generation of Republicans, are not as interested in Paul, as the other two. Its just an example of how ignorant the majority of Republicans are to the real issues.. By voting for Romney and less so Santorum, these Republicans do want another corporate shill in the White house.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Please stop you are making too much sense, some peoples heads will explode around here.....



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Of the presidential candidates, only Ron Paul addresses the Constitution’s demise.Yet, the electorate is concerned with matters unimportant by comparison.

Propagandized 24/7 by the Ministry of Truth, Americans are not sufficiently aware of their plight to elect Ron Paul president. It might be too late for even a President Ron Paul to turn things around.

A president has no power unless his government supports him. What prospect would President Ron Paul have of getting his appointees confirmed by the Senate? The military/security complex is not going to vacate power. Powerful monied interests would block his appointments. If he persisted in being a problem for the Establishment, he would be victimized by a scandal and fail to be reelected if not forced to resign.

 


This fight to regain our liberty has only begun. This will be a long arduous journey. It will take at least one generation probably two. Most of the older generation still believes in the system. This is evident from the Romney/Santorum vote. This country is going to suffer a great deal more before the ideals of true freedom are ignited across the land or loss from the world forever. I just hope there is time.

Paul Craig Roberts "Outlook for a New Year"
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by P12SOLD
Romney and Santorum got 60,000 thousand votes between them. Ron got 26,000. I like Paul, but its fairly obvious from this polling the older generation of Republicans, are not as interested in Paul, as the other two. Its just an example of how ignorant the majority of Republicans are to the real issues.. By voting for Romney and less so Santorum, these Republicans do want another corporate shill in the White house.


Spot on.

Honestly we are looking at a 3 way split. 2/3 of the GOP voting base is up for the "same old-same old" and is splitting hairs between electability and hardline. I would guess this is the same base the believes Obama must be stopped at all costs, loss of family values, Gay agenda etc. etc.

Then there is the 1/3 that voted Ron Paul and thinks America needs a serious departure from the status quo. In of itself this gives me hope that there are people out there who want to end business as usual in DC. Now is the time that Paul supporters need to rally harder then ever to put their views ahead of the other 2/3. As long as the other 2/3 are fighting amongst themselves there is a chance to bring new voters in to change the nature of the fight.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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8 votes apart? Puh--lease! This whole thing just screams staged. They are using the tightness of the race to play on people's emotions and to get them on board with their establishment candidates. What a joke, we just all witnessed a huge screenplay done right in front of us. The play is called the United States presidential election. They calculated this to be exactly how they wanted it to be.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 09:07 AM
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I smell a rat, something not right with the votes, this would have been a landslide victory for Ron Paul



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Aeonflux
I smell a rat, something not right with the votes, this would have been a landslide victory for Ron Paul


The excuses are coming in, just accept he lost fair and square.





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