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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Who doesn't want the bomb? They are like kids, who see China, Russia, Britain, France and the US ... basically doing what they want. Murder left, murder right ... no trial ... no consequence ... because they got the bomb.


Iran already does that. Having the bomb will not change that.




A theocracy is filling the human desire for a father. When we grow up, we leave home ... and find ourselves in dire need for "security" and a constant universe to live in. Which, "theocracy" fills ... but theocracy is a lie ... in historical times, their lies were not so obvious.


Interesting you say that. When I was a child I realized my parents weren't good enough. I never had parents in my own eyes. I learned from history and science the way the world works.

Quite frankly, I never needed parents. And perhaps, I never needed security. Being Christian and all, I really don't care if I live or die tomorrow.

Ways back I was an atheist. I still didn't care if I lived or died tomorrow. Because it doesn't matter if there's nothing tomorrow. Just do awesome every day. Eat drink and be merry. Though now a Christian, I still eat drink and be merry. Just in a God fearing way. Interesting word there too. Fear. I don't really fear a whole great amount.


Point to all this: I'm sorry I don't fulfill your God awful view of the world.




Today's religion is democracy ... it's the first amendment, the second, the third, and all the rest. We belieive in our freedom ... we don't need to believe in obvious lies, about Gods in the skies. I was reading the other day, about a Wu Zhen, the only chinese empress. Murder left, murder right ... accuse this one of witchcraft, and that one of witchcraft ... have this one executed ... have the hands and feet taken off and bleed to death ... and they call themselves "Children of heaven".


And Godless Mao China killed millions of religious people. What does it matter?

People kill. What faith they have or lack there of is irrelevant. Some people are evil, some people are good.




I absolutely deny, to go to church and bow to their memory ... and I don't care wether it's called islam, christianity, buddism or jewism. Now confuscius is another thing, that is more in terms of phylosophy than religion ... and it doesn't include murderers and child molesters ascending to heaven.


Probably because Confucian is a way to life, often a view of how to be a good this or a good that. Asia is filled with "believe what you want, but follow this way" religions. Historically this is because they rebelled against the "indo European Pantheon" and without any other God to fill their beliefs, they choose to agree to believe in whatever god or gods they wish.

Thus, Confucian may not have a definite view of the afterlife, but it is a way to get to it. And your prescribed god.


Oh. And I probably would bow in a Mosque or Temple of the Jews. Because we believe in the same God. Probably would bow my head to the leading member of a religious organization outside those three that follow Yahweh, but not to their gods. I mean, you don't have to believe, but don't b a dick about it.




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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"Dismissing Iranian threat, US says it will continue to deploy ships in Gulf"

Looks like its on, I wonder when he US will send the ships in? And how many will they send? One as a probe or a fleet as a deterrent?

I dont usually read Isreali articles but anyways.

www.israelhayom.com...


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Point to all this: I'm sorry I don't fulfill your God awful view of the world.



Now you're just fooling yourself ... it's called sarcastic ironi, because you don't like what you've become.




People kill. What faith they have or lack there of is irrelevant. Some people are evil, some people are good.



Good vs. Evil?

now let me see, Iran is a bunch of nincompoops, that "basically" are like chimpansees, running around and punching themselves on the chest. Playing big, making awful sounds to scare everyone ... and hammering each other over rivalry of small things, like thugs.

vs.

George W. Bush and his Murder incorporated ... that goes to Iraq, sodomizes people, pulls them to guantanamo and tortures them. Uses depleted uranium, that has caused birth of deformed children everywhere... and has murdered over a million civilians. Puts up a patriot act, to take away peoples rights ... puts up a new law, that justifies "making people vanish". George W. Bush and his murder incorporated, put up "Wanted dead or alive" posters, makes a deck of cards with peoples lives being a game ...

Mr. Gorman91 ... do you think, that I think the monkeys in Iran are evil ... or do you think, I consider the "self exclaimed intelectuals" in Israel and the US are evil?

Evil, mr. Gorman91 ... is the person who performs the acts of murder incorporated, knowingly ... and not the monkey or the lion, that has no better sense.

But even then, you'd have to "define" evil for me ... and good. What is "good"? What is "evil"? ... and basically, I think you fail in your comparison ... the US is the only nation in the world that uses radioactive material as weaponry ....

It's not IRAN, and not North Korea.

You've murdered millions of people ... more millions than Adolf Hitler ... more millions than Josef Stalin ... and more millions than Mao Ze Dong .

The US is the biggest bully the world has every seen, right after Rome ... and that is why they are still going strong ... because they are EVIL.

Just like rome ...

But hey, "always look on the bright side of ... death" ... doobey due ... Rom did bring roads, and commerce ... and schools ... and stuff ...

That's is what Monty Python said ...


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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Now you're just fooling yourself ... it's called sarcastic ironi, because you don't like what you've become.


What have I become that I don't like?





Good vs. Evil? now let me see, Iran is a bunch of nincompoops, that "basically" are like chimpansees, running around and punching themselves on the chest. Playing big, making awful sounds to scare everyone ... and hammering each other over rivalry of small things, like thugs.


No Iran saw Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and now Syria all destroy themselves with western interference. They feel they are the last ones left. And in many ways they are. They are like the nerdy kid telling the bully that they can win the fight. Now for one reason or another, the bully walked away, so the nerd feels like they won, and can say what they feel without any consequences. But we've all seen how that ends in the school playground.




George W. Bush and his Murder incorporated ... that goes to Iraq, sodomizes people, pulls them to guantanamo and tortures them. Uses depleted uranium, that has caused birth of deformed children everywhere... and has murdered over a million civilians. Puts up a patriot act, to take away peoples rights ... puts up a new law, that justifies "making people vanish". George W. Bush and his murder incorporated, put up "Wanted dead or alive" posters, makes a deck of cards with peoples lives being a game ...


Not a million civilians. Hundreds of thousands. And in war, civilian lives don't matter. We killed more German civilians in WW2 than the Germans killed Jews. War is war. It sucks.

Well we still do not know if it depleted uranium causing anything. Offical documents say the problems are primary cardiac. This doesn't exactly make sense. Obviously if the defects are increasing after the war, something we did or they did caused it, but I am doubting depleted uranium is the primary culprit. Without proper scientific analysis, for all we know its the result of a cloud of pollution from Iran or Afganastan who GOd knows where.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Furthermore, every president from Abraham Lincoln to Roosevelt has taken away rights in crisis. I am not a fan of it, but don't make it out to be a specific person. In fact, it's actually tradition.






Mr. Gorman91 ... do you think, that I think the monkeys in Iran are evil ... or do you think, I consider the "self exclaimed intelectuals" in Israel and the US are evil?


I don't care what you think. If I was in power, I would have threatened to nuke Israel and Iran if they don't stop bickering, and I would most certainly love to see Jerusalem turned to a radiated ash pile. As well as Mecca. Solves most of the problems.

They're all evil in my book. I don't differentiate between the president of Iran and the leader of Israel. Their people both elected war hawks. In my book, that means that their people are no longer innocent.




Evil, mr. Gorman91 ... is the person who performs the acts of murder incorporated, knowingly ... and not the monkey or the lion, that has no better sense.


I don't believe there is a difference. A corporation is an animal. Not a person. They have to be trained. Occasionally one of them put down for an example to the rest. Iraq as an example to the Muslim world. I wish we'd made Goldman Sachs an example to the corporate world. The executive of a country should not view these entities as intelligent. Humans grow dumber in increased number. They are animals, all of them. And from time to time, a blood sacrifice to the tree of liberty is needed.




But even then, you'd have to "define" evil for me ... and good. What is "good"? What is "evil"? ... and basically, I think you fail in your comparison ... the US is the only nation in the world that uses radioactive material as weaponry ....


are you forgetting nuclear missiles owned by every powerful nation on Earth?


I define good and evil very simply. Good people build schools after war. Bad people build more tanks. You are not going to find a good side in a war. You will find the answer after the war is over.

Because the US has done both, I don't see them either way. I take it president-by-president.




You've murdered millions of people ... more millions than Adolf Hitler ... more millions than Josef Stalin ... and more millions than Mao Ze Dong .


actually, that's a subjective term. You are comparing the entire history of the us to single people of other countries.

A hum. That's bullsh*t...

In fact, Mao has the award for most people slaughtered.


And as I said, body counts don't matter to me. Its what you do after that counts.





The US is the biggest bully the world has every seen, right after Rome ... and that is why they are still going strong ... because they are EVIL.


It's funny because I consider Rome the apex of civilization.




But hey, "always look on the bright side of ... death" ... doobey due ... Rom did bring roads, and commerce ... and schools ... and stuff ... That's is what Monty Python said ...


Yes. That's why I like Rome.


I say again, war is war. You exterminate the enemy in war. Everything. What you do after the war is what makes you good or evil.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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You sound like you are an expert on subs.

Based on how shallow and narrow the Straits of Hormuz are could a sub sneak in there unnoticed or would it have to have it's sonar operating constantly so as to not run into anything?

I have no idea if the Russians have a satellite foused on the Strait but if they did could they "see" a sub entering?

Does a sub have to notify Oman or Iran when entering the straits.

Here is a map which shows the depth of the Persian Gulf. Can a big sub operate in such shallow water in comabt without using its sonar without running into oil production platforms and other natural and man-made objects?




Not saying that they are going to run into a seamount of course but not saying the US Navy does not make mistakes. They allowed John McCain to fly planes, didn't they?

US Submaraine smashes into something by mistake.

Would the Iranians know where the sub was at all times?



Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by N3kr0m4nc3r
All this talk of Iran threatening a U.S. carrier is laughable, sure maybe some of the tech on a carrier is outdated but we are not talking about just a carrier. The numerous destroyer and frigate escorts are more than well equipped to handle anything thrown at a carrier before it reaches it. Now I am not naive enough to believe that we wouldn't come out of the fight with a scratch, I do believe that it is possible that Iran has an ace up their sleeve to be pushing so hard for a fight. It could be they have something or someone we may not know about, either way until the first punch is thrown everything is just speculation.


Don't forget that it is highly possible that we also have at least one SSGN submarine in the gulf as well.

That is 154 tomahawk cruise missiles with any combination of warheads probably all pre-targeted at tactical targets and able to be launched (all 154 of them) from the safety of being underwater, within a matter of hours, those missiles will be landing on tactical targets taking out essential command and control posts.

Oh yeah and the ability to launch UAV's and UUV's (Unmanned Underwater Vehichels) to link battlefield data back to commanders, again all from the safety of underwater.

That is one SSGN....a battle-group usually has one and sometimes two fast attack submarines with similar capability's with it as well.




posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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What have I become that I don't like?



I was just making a childist psycho analysis ... no pun intended. :-)



No Iran saw Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and now Syria all destroy themselves with western interference. They feel they are the last ones left. And in many ways they are. They are like the nerdy kid telling the bully that they can win the fight. Now for one reason or another, the bully walked away, so the nerd feels like they won, and can say what they feel without any consequences. But we've all seen how that ends in the school playground.


Ah, you mean they didn't make the connection that the US is withdrawing their troops, to prepare for airstrikes?

Even if they didn't do that, if they are the "dangerous" people, they're said to be ... they'd do, like I'd do ... or any other nasty and evil bad mofo like myself. kick them while they're down



Not a million civilians. Hundreds of thousands. And in war, civilian lives don't matter. We killed more German civilians in WW2 than the Germans killed Jews. War is war. It sucks.


Nope, millions ... even if we go by your "conservative" numbers ... which of course is calculated like this.

Enemy kills thousands ... MSM says "millions".

We kill millions ... MSM says "thousands".

The hundred of thousandds number, is to less conservative and more "convincing" in the public opinion, that already has seen so many pictures of piles of bodies, that the "thousands" number doesn't count anymore. Of course, those conservative numbers are reached, because all the rest are ... "soldiers". But during Iraq war I, it's estimated that over half a million children died. And all these deaths, every single man woman and child, are to be attributed to the United states and it's war against Iraq.

The usual psychopath propaganda, "It was Saddams fault, who didn't comply to our demands ... so the deaths are on his hands". That is a psychopaths mind ... the deaths are attributed to the war on Iraq.

Now, go to Vietnam ... 3 million people. Of which, there are pictures of American soldiers murdering infants.

And that is just the Vietnam war, and we haven't even touched on all the other parts of the world, where your CIA has been the areason for the war. The wars are of your doing ... you started them, and you financed them ... every drop of blood, from every man, woman and child that died in those conflicts ... are on your hands.

We say 50 million died in WWII, that's soldiers included ... so, your conservative numbers don't count. Because in WWII, the majority of those 50 million, were actually fighting. If you'd exclude all soldiers, you'd end up with a lot less numbers ... and even concerning the jews ... the jews, as a "population" declared an open war against the german state ... and the German state, declared them "enemy combatants" and collected them accordingly. Does this sound familiar????

So, you have to count every single man, woman and child ... including soldiers.

Mr. Gorman91 ... the US haa exceeded Hitler, by far ... no, next time you give respect to your president and your government, I suggest you do that in the true Hitler manner ... "Sieg heil" ... and "long live the emperor of rome".

The US doesn't declare a war, so that the Geneve convention doesn't apply.

But then, Iran doesn't deserrve much from us ... because, during the Iraqi war, they should have helped their Iraqi brethren against a common foe. The same applies to Ghaddaffi, and Syria, as well as Egypt. But all of these cowards, were only interrested in saving themselves ...

It never pays, because the boss ... the United Statees is Murder Incorporated ... they don't repay "loyalty" in an honorable manner. They pay for "loyalty" like that, with death. Because it's not loyalty per say ... your betraying your own, and paying homage to a mafioso.

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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 02:59 AM
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I can always tell when I posting to a person who has never been to the Middle East....never mind Iran. All the freedoms you have...even posting on this board...well you could kiss them all goodby. If you persisted to object like you have the right to here in the West....you would soon be tortured till death and burried in a mass grave.

Please...don't take what you have for granted. I have friends who have died defending it. Split Infinity



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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Yea... you may have missed the part were I said i don't care about body counts.

I would have nuked bagdad, fully accepting the blood on my hands.


Oh yea. You did it again: comparing the entire history. Of a country to a single man in one war.

So yea. Fear tactics and shock drama don't work on me, fyi.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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I can always tell when I posting to a person who has never been to the Middle East....never mind Iran. All the freedoms you have...even posting on this board...well you could kiss them all goodby.



What freedom?

First of all, the people of Iran get the government they deserve, it applies to all of us.

And concerning your freedom, what ... is that an episode of Seinfeld? Maybe it's the patriot act ... or the new act, that allows the government to declare you enemy combatant and beat you, torture you and put you away for ever, without a trial. Maybe your freedom, is the members of the occupy movement that are pepper sprayedbe, beaten and arrested for having property. Perhaps your version of freedom, is that I can't object to my government ... nor can I demand a recount of ballots, because I don't believe they are correctly counted ... like the George W. Bush counts in Florida, as an example.

Your version of "freedom", is the exact same version of "freedom" as the upper class in Iran has. The upper class in Iran, has the same freedom you have ... and the poor, under class, uneducated baffoons are just as badly treated in Iran as in the US.

So, take your "freedom" and put it where the sun don't shine ....

Besides, the moment I an content with my fredom and see my freedom to be a positive issue ... I'll start educating others to that effect. But, I wouldn't start that process in the oil rich regions only ... I'd probably start it, in the poorest parts of the world, where sun don't shine .... and leave the oil rich regions to help themselves.

Unlike the US ... that only cares about the oil ... and what about all the poor pals in Rwanda ... ah, sorry ... don't have time or money ... the US just goes home, and leaves the locals to fighting the war, they started there.



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Oh yea. You did it again: comparing the entire history. Of a country to a single man in one war.

So yea. Fear tactics and shock drama don't work on me, fyi.



I know ... but sooner or later, that nuke for bagdad will end up in Washington ... we'll make sure of it ... we tore down Rome, we'll tear down the US/EU too :-)

And, the apex of civilization is Greece ... not Rome. Greece is the cradle of modern civilization, and Rome is the hell that caused 2000 years of dormant time and dark ages.

And now, we two are the epic of good vs. evil ... or, Rome vs. Athens. Bullies, vs Phylosophy. Of course, one leads to the other ... inevitably, as Hellas led to Alexander the Great, and followed by Rome ... so did Rome, lead to modern rediscovery of the Hellenian principles and modern technology.

That is good vs. evil for you ...
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 06:26 AM
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I know ... but sooner or later, that nuke for bagdad will end up in Washington ... we'll make sure of it ... we tore down Rome, we'll tear down the US/EU too :-)


Blah blah.

The players change their colors but they're always the same. Every generation has its Rome, and has its unwashed barbarians. You want to be the barbarians be my guest. As I recall, after destroying Rome, they became Rome.




And, the apex of civilization is Greece ... not Rome. Greece is the cradle of modern civilization, and Rome is the hell that caused 2000 years of dormant time and dark ages.


Ah yes. What a lovely time with the unending wars and feudal disagreements over whose mother gets raped next. Yes, let's all sing poems and songs and make art of the rape and pillaging of thy self.

Of course that;s not everything. But Greece was a horrible system of disunited city states with democracies that ultimately bred dictators. Nothing of value save for a few good minds came out of them. The commoner was hopeless.




And now, we two are the epic of good vs. evil ... or, Rome vs. Athens. Bullies, vs Phylosophy. Of course, one leads to the other ... inevitably, as Hellas led to Alexander the Great, and followed by Rome ... so did Rome, lead to modern rediscovery of the Hellenian principles and modern technology. That is good vs. evil for you ...


Except what you view as evil, I view as good. And I don't think you are anything but closed minded European by your language. So alas, there's no hope for you.

Thus...

Enjoy being a barbarian. Should this Rome fall, I'll just go to the next one. Why should I care what flag flies over it? I have artistic skills, I have scientific skills. People like me were kidnapped by future Romes seeking to keep safe the brains that would grant them their wish.

Because I have no ties to any country, I am like Tesla. I would sell a nuke to Russia and America if only to enjoy a pleasant place of respect in both countries. I don't really care what nation is the next Rome. I'll just move there. If the people of America turn savage, let them enjoy their hell. I'll go to red china and work on their projects with them. Or Germany, or any number of future Romes.

Quite frankly, you can never win. Because I just move. Hell you can't even discomfort me. I enjoy moving. The only thing you win in your desires is a wasted life of wasted pursuits of revenge and hate. I win a life of helping my fellow man progress, learning, and having fun.

It's your choice to fight forever in a war you cannot win. I don't fight for that very reason. I create, and I lead. I go where the money and opportunity is. I claim no side, and no restrictions to changing my colors when the need exists. I have no sense of patriotism to a nation, only a cause. And whatever group of people are following that cause at the time.
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Now it looks like Iran already knew they were making an empty threat from the beginning. They knew the USS John C. Stennis was already scheduled to head to the Arabian Sea.

"Anyone with an Internet connection could have seen from the ship’s Facebook page and its commanders’ ample statements to the news media in recent months that the carrier’s high-seas deployment, which follows a roughly predictable pattern, was winding down. Any casual follower of ship movements could have deduced that the John C. Stennis was probably not scheduled to return to the Persian Gulf anyhow. "

Here's a link to the USS John C. Stennis Facebook page.

www.facebook.com...



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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A US aircraft carrier currently deployed in the Middle East should "not return" to its base in the Gulf, the head of Iran's armed forces declared today, adding ominously there would be no repeat warning.


Typical Iranian bluster and posturing. The government over there issues puffed up 'warnings' all the time. It's itching for a world war so they can usher in the imaginary 12th imam. I don't know if they'd actually have the guts to hit an American aircraft carrier in international waters and where it's welcomed by other nations in the area ... but you never know.


Originally posted by bjarneorn
I know ... but sooner or later, that nuke for bagdad will end up in Washington ... we'll make sure of it ... we tore down Rome, we'll tear down the US/EU too :-)

:shk:
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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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The players change their colors but they're always the same. Every generation has its Rome, and has its unwashed barbarians. You want to be the barbarians be my guest. As I recall, after destroying Rome, they became Rome.



My time to say BLAH BLAH



Ah yes. What a lovely time with the unending wars and feudal disagreements over whose mother gets raped next. Yes, let's all sing poems and songs and make art of the rape and pillaging of thy self.


Ah yes, and this lovely time of unending feutal disagreements comes from Ludvik the 14th, 15th and 16th and the british Kings, all of which draw their lineage to Rome. And then you have the lovely religious feutal disagreement, all of which are related Israel ...

If you want to end your feutal disagreements, do us all a favor and walk onto your own sword... Nuke the US and Israel? No? Why not? I'll tell you why not ...

Feutal disagreements, is what makes the world advance ... without the feutal disagreements in Hellas, the glory of Hellas would never exist. It's this feutal disagremment of yours, that makes people compete and which brings out the advances of the earth ... it is what has brought modern times.

But it's people like Julius Caesar that brings hell on Earth ... it's people like his followers, that consider themselves to be "above" and "beyond" the rest. It's these "holy" nutcases, that consider their blood to be blue ... or their lineage from heaven.

So if you want to bring end to your feutal disagreements ... dump Israel. Ironic, isn't it. Now, there is an idea ... that I would never support ... if people started lobbying to end Israel, I would fight for Israel with my life ... because I want all those different ideologies, different peoples and different regions ... I want a world, where there is room for all the morons that get born, even people like you ... and me. So, to hell with Rome ... and it's imperial shiny behind.

But in your world, Gorman91 ... there is only room for the people with perfect goodliness in their bloodline. And "I", for one, already know I am not of that lineage ... I'm just a normal, every day ... gentile ... so, I'll end that dream of yours ... no matter how long it takes.

:-)



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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There is plenty of information available showing that Iran is ticking off the Middle East. The Gulf Cooperation Council has warned Iran numerous times over the last few years about them trying to create divisions throughout the Middle East.

Here's a good article.

IRAN'S DANGEROUS TRADE GAME

www.guardian.co.uk...

"So, what is Iran's objective in blocking trade with the UAE? Since its economic incentives have failed to keep the GCC states divided and neutral, it may now be seeking the same objective by different means: threats and intimidation."

"This is evident in the Iranian officials' use of inflammatory terms with regard to the shared gas fields. On 22 December, for instance, Emad Hosseini, spokesman for the Iranian parliament's energy committee, accused Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait of stealing oil and gas from fields that cross into Iranian territory."

"Blocking imports from the UAE should also be seen within this context. In spite of massive improvements since 2009, Dubai still faces debt maturities of more than $10bn next year and may need to borrow more from Abu Dhabi. Aware of this, Tehran could be hoping that its move will cause internal tensions between Abu Dhabi and Dubai by depriving Dubai of an important source of income, thereby forcing the federal government to forgo some of its newly employed anti-Iranian measures."

"Whether Iran's latest action will bear fruit or not is hard to tell. What is clear, though, is that sanctions are hurting the Iranian regime and that as a result its behaviour might become less predictable in the near future."



posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Ah yes, and this lovely time of unending feutal disagreements comes from Ludvik the 14th, 15th and 16th and the british Kings, all of which draw their lineage to Rome. And then you have the lovely religious feutal disagreement, all of which are related Israel ...


I'm pretty sure if you live in Europe, you can easily draw some heritage to any number of people, including Rome and Jews.

But yes, go and enjoy your global conspiracy. It's the Jews fault. Sure.




Feutal disagreements, is what makes the world advance ... without the feutal disagreements in Hellas, the glory of Hellas would never exist. It's this feutal disagremment of yours, that makes people compete and which brings out the advances of the earth ... it is what has brought modern times.


Actually no. Feudal disagreements cause useless bloodshed over stupid things. Only under modernism has man ever progressed to glory. And modernity has very rarely existed in the world. A few brief spouts, but now its here to stay it would seem.

That's what it's called the feudal times. Because it was a failure.

At one point, a few scholars and peasants said "now wait a minute" and dumped the lot of the idea. Sudden;y lives became longer and people did things with their lives.



But it's people like Julius Caesar that brings hell on Earth ... it's people like his followers, that consider themselves to be "above" and "beyond" the rest. It's these "holy" nutcases, that consider their blood to be blue ... or their lineage from heaven.


Julius Caesar did not. He gave the people back their money that the senate had stole.

I'm a socialist. I like those types.




So if you want to bring end to your feutal disagreements ... dump Israel. Ironic, isn't it. Now, there is an idea ... that I would never support ... if people started lobbying to end Israel, I would fight for Israel with my life ... because I want all those different ideologies, different peoples and different regions ... I want a world, where there is room for all the morons that get born, even people like you ... and me. So, to hell with Rome ... and it's imperial shiny behind.


To hell with that. You want to elect war hawks and force my alliance with you to make me intervene every 6 months, I reserve the right to say screw you, drop a bomb on you, and tell you to get lost.




But in your world, Gorman91 ... there is only room for the people with perfect goodliness in their bloodline. And "I", for one, already know I am not of that lineage ... I'm just a normal, every day ... gentile ... so, I'll end that dream of yours ... no matter how long it takes.


I don't care about bloodlines. Blood is blood. I probably have the blood of Julius Caesar in my veins, and his slave.

Men have raped and pillage each other so many times that purity doesn't exist.

Fact is I hate purity.

I say again. You want to go fight your eternal war go right ahead. Waste away your life. I'm going to spend it not doing stupid things like that.

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, time in money, and I can't afford your b**ching. No offense.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

I reserve the right to say screw you, drop a bomb on you, and tell you to get lost.



Go ahead ... I hope you do make good on that promise ...




Fact is I hate purity.



BS. You love purity ... your fighting the good fight, saving Israel ... and every other town in the US, has the name "the promised land" attached to it, one way or the other.

It's people like me, Gorman91, that is saying end these wars of yours ... or we will end you.




posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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BS. You love purity ... your fighting the good fight, saving Israel ... and every other town in the US, has the name "the promised land" attached to it, one way or the other. It's people like me, Gorman91, that is saying end these wars of yours ... or we will end you.





So if you want to bring end to your feutal disagreements ... dump Israel. Ironic, isn't it. Now, there is an idea ... that I would never support ... if people started lobbying to end Israel, I would fight for Israel with my life ... because I want all those different ideologies,


Hypocrite.



Purity causes death. Death to purity.

I'd nuke Israel in an instant to end the troubles. That city is a curse. That land no longer Holy. Cursed to all who inhabit it. Cursed to eternal war and damnation.

They want their hell, I'll be more than happy to make it a hell for them all the more faster. I'd nuked Jerusalem and Mecca would make them see just how little their God cares.


You want to end me, go ahead and try. A man who cannot keep a concise argument is hopeless to accomplish anything in his life. Have fun in your babbles.
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