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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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America has done enough world war crimes for the rest of the world to wipe them from the face of the planet,hopefully one day we will all do exactly that,or let them destroy themselves.

Good riddance.


Do you really want the United States' estimated 315 million inhabitants to be "wiped from the face of the planet?" You are of course entitled to your opinion and it is your prerogative if you sincerely desire that. But I would respectfully ask that you consider what you're wishing for.

Hundreds of millions of people, untold numbers of which are simply human beings trying their best to survive, thrive, and find happiness and fulfillment. Gone. Because the world unites to "wipe them from the face of the planet." You say you hope the world will unite and do this. And your justification for this is America's foreign policy, military interventions, ostensible war crimes, and human rights violations.

Consider that some U.S. leaders earnestly believe that they too are entitled and empowered by righteousness to destroy other nations - or at least some who dwell therein - many of the inhabitants of which are also simply human beings likewise trying to survive and find happiness for themselves and their families. They feel this way for the same reasons. Foreign policy, military actions, vital interests being threatened, and human rights violations.

Which side is "right?" They can't both be, can they? Or is it that neither side is? Is it worth the enormous human toll you're advocating to try and find out? Sure, it's easy to think, "Well, one side is an innocent victim, and the other is a completely evil tyrant bent only on domination." But the reality, I respectfully submit, is not that simple. While some of those responsible for the mechanations of war may have their own agendas and motives, those who empower them to wage those wars truly believe - on both sides - that what they're fighting for is just. They don't wake up one morning and decide, "Today I'm going to go wage unspeakable evil because I'm a villain. Ha ha!"

And yet they go forth to do these things which in retrospect are horrendous, whether you're someone who advocates them or not. Both sides will have blood on their hands. There is no escape from the maw of war with innocence or moral high ground intact in my opinion. Especially when we are talking about millions of dead human beings. Nothing can justify that in my view.

I'll put it to you this way. I live in America. I've tried to be forthright, compassionate, respectful, courteous, honest, and civil to you. So... do you want me to die? I certainly don't want you to die. And I can say that without even knowing you. Can you say the same about me?

Just asking. Peace.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91

Surprise, I'm a fundie.



Well, so am I ...




Everything you think of me is a lie apparently. I believe in everything you think is fake.

And both ironically and perplexedly, I do not believe a theocracy is telling the truth of their reasons.



Agreed.




I do think Iran wants the bomb. And good. They should have it,



Who doesn't want the bomb? They are like kids, who see China, Russia, Britain, France and the US ... basically doing what they want. Murder left, murder right ... no trial ... no consequence ... because they got the bomb.




But they are a theocracy. And I find myself conflicted between desiring the destruction of a theocracy, and desiring peace.



A theocracy is filling the human desire for a father. When we grow up, we leave home ... and find ourselves in dire need for "security" and a constant universe to live in. Which, "theocracy" fills ... but theocracy is a lie ... in historical times, their lies were not so obvious.




Oh an fyi, China is not somehow better because they have no religion. Primarily because that's incorrect. Most Chinese are either Buddhist or Confuscian, and it is estimated there are 30 million Christians, with expectations that that will 10 fold if current standards keep up.


China has forethought BECAUSE of their religion, not because they don't have one. It is wise and great before the Confucian tradition to think before you act.



Today's religion is democracy ... it's the first amendment, the second, the third, and all the rest. We belieive in our freedom ... we don't need to believe in obvious lies, about Gods in the skies. I was reading the other day, about a Wu Zhen, the only chinese empress. Murder left, murder right ... accuse this one of witchcraft, and that one of witchcraft ... have this one executed ... have the hands and feet taken off and bleed to death ... and they call themselves "Children of heaven".

I absolutely deny, to go to church and bow to their memory ... and I don't care wether it's called islam, christianity, buddism or jewism. Now confuscius is another thing, that is more in terms of phylosophy than religion ... and it doesn't include murderers and child molesters ascending to heaven.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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There is no escape from the maw of war with innocence or moral high ground intact in my opinion. Especially when we are talking about millions of dead human beings. Nothing can justify that in my view.


I agree.
When has killing millions of people ever been justifiable? Yet it happens,yet its allowed to happen.

When time and time again,your country has gotten away with terrorizing other countries,along side with the "allies",the problem doesn't become your government anymore,it becomes you.

Your the problem.

And if you cant sort out your own government,then what good are you? your just as,if not,worse than your government.

The way your government is,reflects how the people are.

There will be no change,with out people dying,some will be innocent,some will be guilty,its a sad thing.

But if we keep allowing governments to kill,yet deny its our responsibility to correct the problem,then either way,people are going to die.

The difference is,will it be the people killing the government,or the government killing the people,you decide?
Will it be for a positive change? or a negative set back?

But by the seems of things,the american public have already decided.

We can sit here all day and discuss,what is just and unjust,but really none of it matters.

What does matter,is the fact that people die all over the world in large amounts because people from other parts of the world allow it to happen.

Take responsibility for your own government,just like i will.

Governments are the little kids running around the schoolyard with sharp objects in mobs hurting other innocent kids for their lunch money,while the PEOPLE are the teachers standing in the corners allowing it to happen.



I'll put it to you this way. I live in America. I've tried to be forthright, compassionate, respectful, courteous, honest, and civil to you. So... do you want me to die? I certainly don't want you to die. And I can say that without even knowing you. Can you say the same about me?


To be perfectly honest,the way i see it and the way ive been seeing things lately.If you and your people don't start getting serious about what yours and other governments are doing around the world to other people.

I don't really care what happens to you or your nation.

Get real.














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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by bjarneorn
I find this part immensely funny:



In his statement Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Little said the Navy "operates under international maritime conventions to maintain a constant state of high vigilance in order to ensure the continued, safe flow of maritime traffic in waterways critical to global commerce.


What is "international waters",

high sea: the open seas of the world outside the territorial waters of any nation.

And the strait of hormuz most certainly is not international waters.

The government of Iran is looking more and more silly, in reality. They had the US forces at their doorstep in Iraq, for years and didn't react. Now, the same aircraft carriers, that they "allowed" to pass to kill Saddam, is coming to kill them ....

What an irony, I wonder if they'll have the intellect to wake up from their stupidity ... or if they'll continue to make empty threats, that will make them look bad in the main stream media and help the US. And if they "shutup", then the US will revive some of their "Al Qaida" soldiers, to have them voice out loud support for Iran, just like they did for Iraq ...

Oh how ironic ...


Please open chart a2851 and you will notice clearly this is international waters. I've been teaching ship driving since 1991. Would you like to have a debate on the legality for any vessel having permission to operate within international waters?



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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I am glad that you do have sympathy for the masses whom are often the only ones to suffer and die in wars, and hopefully it is a sincere one, comming from you.

Americans had done their part as much as possible within the constitution for the sake of peace, or the Iraq and afghanistan wars would have continued on, as well as N.Korea and China if cooler heads had not prevail.

BUT, can I say the same of the Iranian people? Sadly... I can't, nor will blame them for they are living in a brutal regime that will not hesitate to make citizens 'disappear' or incarcerated for life, just as the ex-President Rajisfani's daughter is now being held in sordid cells for simply voicing out in protest of the absolutely blatant rigged election held.

One issue at a time. Thing is, who is threatening who with violence now? All the world wanted was simply that the Persian apostate leaders negotiate about its nuke energy needs and behave responsibly as a member of our world. Instead it showed the middle finger and threatened the world.

The world then decided NOT to do biz with those bunch of idiots, nothing threatening, nothing more than a commercial decision that you would do to your neighbourhood shopkeeper if he had been an a**hole to you all the time.

The ball is in the court of the Iranians, if they truly and indeed feel any responsibility for their leaders actions, as you yourself claimed to be. If they need help, they never need to be shy about it. Just stand up as one people and holler for help. Perhaps that alone may be enough to send those apostate persian leaders packin'



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Well, that's unfortunate and saddening. What you've said truly disheartens and dismays me. But I will not respond in kind, and I will respect your opinion.

I oppose armed conflict, and always advocate for peace and fellowship between human beings, wherever they live, and whatever their walk of life. I never support or vote for candidates (from any party) who advocate or would authorize armed conflict. I do hope for and advocate change of a positive nature.

I do believe change is possible without bloodshed. But it takes a long, long time, and is never sudden in coming. It is my firm belief that change through bloodshed only results in a new order equally capable of said bloodshed. It happened before, in our revolutionary war. And while its aims were just and its creed one I agree with on paper and in principle, it ultimately brought us here, to where we are today. Where patriotic homage to that same long ago cause of "freedom" is used to justify the bloodshed we're now here discussing engaging in.

If you perceive my passivity as enabling the tyrany of others though, that is your prerogative as I said. I can only say I wish you didn't feel the way you do, and that I would rather die myself than harm you or anyone else, anywhere in the world, for whatever little that may be worth to you.

Peace.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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I am glad that you do have sympathy for the masses whom are often the only ones to suffer and die in wars, and hopefully it is a sincere one, comming from you.


Coming from me? what do you mean by that?
Maybe you don't mean anything by it,but yes i wouldn't say it unless i mean it,unlike alot of other people.



Americans had done their part as much as possible within the constitution for the sake of peace, or the Iraq and afghanistan wars would have continued on, as well as N.Korea and China if cooler heads had not prevail.


What do you mean? they went to war on bogus information and justification,unnecessarily killed many people and destroy many homes and alot of infrastructure.

And your telling me that they "had done their part as much as possible within the constitution for the sake of peace"!?!

You've got to be joking me.



BUT, can I say the same of the Iranian people? Sadly... I can't, nor will blame them for they are living in a brutal regime that will not hesitate to make citizens 'disappear' or incarcerated for life, just as the ex-President Rajisfani's daughter is now being held in sordid cells for simply voicing out in protest of the absolutely blatant rigged election held.


Everything you just mentioned,america has done,but probably many more times than we will ever know of.



One issue at a time. Thing is, who is threatening who with violence now? All the world wanted was simply that the Persian apostate leaders negotiate about its nuke energy needs and behave responsibly as a member of our world. Instead it showed the middle finger and threatened the world.


But why is that anyones business to begin with?Let alone americas...
Other countries have nuclear power,let them use the same method for energy if they wish,its a two way street.
Even though i dont think nuclear power is a good idea to being with.

Showing the world the middle finger and threatening it,is what america does best.

Your probably not intending to,but everything you say makes america look worse,unless your going for that?



The world then decided NOT to do biz with those bunch of idiots, nothing threatening, nothing more than a commercial decision that you would do to your neighbourhood shopkeeper if he had been an a**hole to you all the time.


Yep...once again,that sounds like america...



The ball is in the court of the Iranians, if they truly and indeed feel any responsibility for their leaders actions, as you yourself claimed to be. If they need help, they never need to be shy about it. Just stand up as one people and holler for help. Perhaps that alone may be enough to send those apostate persian leaders packin'


What you are not remembering though,is that if Iran does get help,it will be from the enemies of america,which they will obviously have something to say about that,like every other event they stick their unwanted nose into.










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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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You are replying nothing new in your perceptions with what you had said before, as expected, succinctly replied by me anyway.

Except for the supposed 'friends of Iran'. Not another threat from Iran, please. Those 'friends' had far more larger problems to deal with at home and internationally than to sacrifice themselves for the pipesquek persian leaders, when clearly, they too, are just as affected by the closure delay of the straits and equally worried about nuclear proliferation and wilfull belligerance from the persian idiotic leaders.

As mentioned before, no one seeks for war, but only for peace. One issue at a time, and right now, CLEARLY for all the world to see, regardless if american or iranian, it is those persian leaders that are making outright threats to war right now. Fortunately, the world is living in a more civilised time than those persian leaders that seemed to live still in a 7th century dreamland, or war would have erupted long ago.

If you truly seek for peace, end the american bashing and get to work on the Iranians instead, unless...it is not peace that you seek.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Well, that's unfortunate and saddening. What you've said truly disheartens and dismays me. But I will not respond in kind, and I will respect your opinion.


I dont know why,its a fair view at whats going on,but its not sugarcoated,its not one sided,its how i see it.



I oppose armed conflict, and always advocate for peace and fellowship between human beings, wherever they live, and whatever their walk of life. I never support or vote for candidates (from any party) who advocate or would authorize armed conflict. I do hope for and advocate change of a positive nature.


Majority of the time,i do as well.I agree with not voting for it either,neither do i,we are not that different.

But it still happens...thats real,thats reality,thats a fact.

I wasn't going to mention this,but im sure it will get my point across.I was walking home after new years,and got bashed around 4:00 AM or so,i didn't hurt the person that was bashing me,i didn't even strike back,i came home with clean knuckles,but a busted up face and sore body,do i sound like a hostile person? like a warmonger?

Maybe that might be why im seeing things the way i am at the moment,but i didn't think much differently before i got bashed,again.

Even though its not the end of the world,or even my world,sometimes i wish it was.



I do believe change is possible without bloodshed. But it takes a long, long time, and is never sudden in coming. It is my firm belief that change through bloodshed only results in a new order equally capable of said bloodshed. It happened before, in our revolutionary war. And while its aims were just and its creed one I agree with on paper and in principle, it ultimately brought us here, to where we are today. Where patriotic homage to that same long ago cause of "freedom" is used to justify the bloodshed we're now here discussing engaging in.


I do believe in positive change without bloodshed,but it never happens,it takes so long that usually even that change gets corrupted somehow or someway.Which ends up dissolving into the corruption,lies and deceit that already plagues us presently.

Theres no such thing as freedom,that's something you should acknowledge.



If you perceive my passivity as enabling the tyrany of others though, that is your prerogative as I said. I can only say I wish you didn't feel the way you do, and that I would rather die myself than harm you or anyone else, anywhere in the world, for whatever little that may be worth to you.


You sound like a very smart and understanding person,i respect that,i respect your replies as well.
I wish i didn't feel the way i do,seriously,i almost wish i never started researching the things i have.
I wouldn't be any the wiser than most people.

But i do,and with that comes the responsibility of acknowledging what i have learnt,not dismissing it because of society and political correctness.

I do not want to harm you as a individual,or anyone else around the world for that matter,you have done nothing wrong to me personally.
Like i mentioned before,
I didn't even defend myself from getting bashed? does that sound right to you?

But people are going to die for a positive change sadly,but it is going to happen,maybe not in my lifetime,but it will happen.

















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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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I respect your views and I understand what you're saying. The reason I say it's saddening is simply that, honestly, it legitimately saddens me. Not because your views and feelings about it are inferior or less valid than my own. But simply because I wish more people could find it within themselves to at least hope against hope that it won't have to come to that. Just as you cannot ignore what you believe to be true, I cannot ignore what I believe to be true or deny what I feel.

Let us hope, for all our sakes, that you are wrong however, and that bloodshed for the positive change we both ultimately seek (and I do believe we ultimately share that desire - the ends, if not the means by which they must be achieved) can somehow be avoided.

I will agree with you that it does seem probable, if not inevitable, in the long term. But when and if it comes - which I would like to believe can be averted - I will not take part in it. I may be a victim of it, but I will not contribute to it.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Except for the supposed 'friends of Iran'. Not another threat from Iran, please. Those 'friends' had far more larger problems to deal with at home and internationally than to sacrifice themselves for the pipesquek persian leaders, when clearly, they too, are just as affected by the closure delay of the straits and equally worried about nuclear proliferation and wilfull belligerance from the persian idiotic leaders.


Hey,im not defending america or Iran,all im saying is what would most likely happen,Iran obviously wouldn't get help from a allie of america now would they? it would obviously be a enemy of america.

Like most people,you under estimate middle eastern countries.



As mentioned before, no one seeks for war, but only for peace. One issue at a time, and right now, CLEARLY for all the world to see, regardless if american or iranian, it is those persian leaders that are making outright threats to war right now. Fortunately, the world is living in a more civilised time than those persian leaders that seemed to live still in a 7th century dreamland, or war would have erupted long ago.


The allies have Iran surrounded pretty much,maybe that might contribute to why they are standing up for themselves...maybe...



If you truly seek for peace, end the american bashing and get to work on the Iranians instead, unless...it is not peace that you seek.


america bashing? im far from bashing them,but thats what they need to snap out of their fantasy land.

america needs the work,not Iran,what has Iran done to america?

Come on,tell me,please,im dying to know.

ill be waiting..



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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I hope i am wrong and that you are right,we both share a common goal,just our opinion differs.



I will not take part in it. I may be a victim of it, but I will not contribute to it.


I,will not contribute myself,but like yourself,may end up being a victim.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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Perhaps our ability to find common ground in our discussion here is cause for cautious optimism? I hope so! Thank-you for your cordial tone and decorum in our interactions. Peace.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
Hey,im not defending america or Iran,all im saying is what would most likely happen,Iran obviously wouldn't get help from a allie of america now would they? it would obviously be a enemy of america.

Like most people,you under estimate middle eastern countries.

The allies have Iran surrounded pretty much,maybe that might contribute to why they are standing up for themselves...maybe...

america bashing? im far from bashing them,but thats what they need to snap out of their fantasy land.

america needs the work,not Iran,what has Iran done to america?

Come on,tell me,please,im dying to know.

ill be waiting..


Rest assured, you won't have to wait long, as I still have some time left, and help you in your enlightenment, so long as I can or I will just simply ignored your tirades. Arrogance perhaps, but I am only mortal and there far more worthy people to plead upon in the quest for peace. You, just like me, are only insignificant individuals with far differing perspectives.

It is you that had under-estimate the middle eastern people. The time for a reckoning on the persians had come by arabs.

If you continue on with your senseless tirades on americans, it is you that is in a fantasy land. Look around, research the facts on the relevant issues AT HAND, and not centuries back, if it is the truth you seek. But will you? I doubt so.

In anycase, I had my share in the discussions on this board, a freedom of which I am indeed priviledged to have, only that I cant say the same if I live in totalitarian regimes hell bent on destroying mankind.

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Does NDAA2012 ring a bell? Totalitarianism USSA ...

Iowa election was a fraud.How about you go fight it...

USA is the totalitarian state with rigged elections thats destroying mankind.


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Rest assured, you won't have to wait long, as I still have some time left, and help you in your enlightenment, so long as I can or I will just simply ignored your tirades. Arrogance perhaps, but I am only mortal and there far more worthy people to plead upon in the quest for peace. You, just like me, are only insignificant individuals with far differing perspectives.


So...are you going to provide some information on what Iran has done to america to justify the actions they are doing against Iran? like driving a US aircraft straight into their naval exercises?



It is you that had under-estimate the middle eastern people. The time for a reckoning on the persians had come by arabs.


How and why?



If you continue on with your senseless tirades on americans, it is you that is in a fantasy land. Look around, research the facts on the relevant issues AT HAND, and not centuries back, if it is the truth you seek. But will you? I doubt so.


What do you mean? i am talking about issues at hand? present issues infact,nothing to do with issues centuries back,i have no idea where you got that idea from.

Im asking you,what has Iran done to america to cause the hostility between them,your opinion and view on the matter.

You haven't answered yet,maybe your working on it now,if that's the case,i will be patient.
If not,you have no answer,because you have no idea on what your talking about.



In anycase, I had my share in the discussions on this board, a freedom of which I am indeed priviledged to have, only that I cant say the same if I live in totalitarian regimes hell bent on destroying mankind.


I wouldn't class it as a freedom,that's for sure,just because we can talk about it on a "watched" method of communication.

Its better than not being able to talk about it,but i wouldn't go as far to call it a freedom...
Theres no such thing.

You do live in a totalitarian regime that's hell bent on destroying mankind,you just cant see it.










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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
So...are you going to provide some information on what Iran has done to america to justify the actions they are doing against Iran? like driving a US aircraft straight into their naval exercises?

.Im asking you,what has Iran done to america to cause the hostility between them,your opinion and view on the matter.

You haven't answered yet,maybe your working on it now,if that's the case,i will be patient.
If not,you have no answer,because you have no idea on what your talking about.

You do live in a totalitarian regime that's hell bent on destroying mankind,you just cant see it.


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If at this late stage of the political situation in the Straits of Hormuz, that you ask me that question, it goes how ignorant you totally are of what's going on.

Just for that question alone, my reply to you is that it's not my policy to spoonfeed you, for I am not your teacher. Information researched fully bestowed upon another is often treated as granted and even at times with contempt.

Better you find it out yourself, for then you will have a better idea of what's its all about, and cherish such knowledge. Just don't depend on your own media alone, but find out from a variety of sources, even those you dislike, so that you may seive the grains of truth from the chafe. The truth is painful, but nevertheless, better than to live in the delusions you exhibited here.

Good luck, and next time we ever discuss issues again, may you be better informed.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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If at this late stage of the political situation in the Straits of Hormuz, that you ask me that question, it goes how ignorant you totally are of what's going on.


Hey,im not a dumbass,i know about the history between america and Iran,do you?
As far as im aware,Iran has never invaded another country,yet america has,several times.

Its even supported war indirectly,probably more so than it has directly.



Just for that question alone, my reply to you is that it's not my policy to spoonfeed you, for I am not your teacher. Information researched fully bestowed upon another is often treated as granted and even at times with contempt.


No,your not my teacher,im glad your not as well,because it doesn't seem like you know very much at all,but yet you seem to be able to fill up a whole post with everything but an answer to a simple question.



Better you find it out yourself, for then you will have a better idea of what's its all about, and cherish such knowledge. Just don't depend on your own media alone, but find out from a variety of sources, even those you dislike, so that you may seive the grains of truth from the chafe. The truth is painful, but nevertheless, better than to live in the delusions you exhibited here.


Ok,you can stop treating me like a dumbass now.



Good luck, and next time we ever discuss issues again, may you be better informed.


Good luck? huh pfft,i dont need luck,i know what im talking about,unlike yourself.

Youve done a very good job at avoiding a question,thats about all.
Come back when you have the answer.


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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Despite my well intentioned advice, you choosed to disregard it totally, fully proving that any information that is bestowed upon will be disregarded with contempt.

I wish you well, and if you intend to wait for an answer that you will as usual treat with trollish contempt, then it will be only at my pleasure.

Back on topic, may saner heads prevail in Iran. The Iranian people are the last hope, even if its security agents are out in full force. There will never be enough bullets, allegorically or in real, to destroy the WILL of the masses whom only seeks for peace..



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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Classic bully/coward bluster.

As the entity that put you in your place leaves you shout "and don't come back!" and wave your fist in the air.

The US Navy will never seek the permission of the Iranians to do anything.




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