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America has done enough world war crimes for the rest of the world to wipe them from the face of the planet,hopefully one day we will all do exactly that,or let them destroy themselves.
Originally posted by Gorman91
Surprise, I'm a fundie.
Everything you think of me is a lie apparently. I believe in everything you think is fake.
And both ironically and perplexedly, I do not believe a theocracy is telling the truth of their reasons.
I do think Iran wants the bomb. And good. They should have it,
But they are a theocracy. And I find myself conflicted between desiring the destruction of a theocracy, and desiring peace.
Oh an fyi, China is not somehow better because they have no religion. Primarily because that's incorrect. Most Chinese are either Buddhist or Confuscian, and it is estimated there are 30 million Christians, with expectations that that will 10 fold if current standards keep up.
China has forethought BECAUSE of their religion, not because they don't have one. It is wise and great before the Confucian tradition to think before you act.
There is no escape from the maw of war with innocence or moral high ground intact in my opinion. Especially when we are talking about millions of dead human beings. Nothing can justify that in my view.
I'll put it to you this way. I live in America. I've tried to be forthright, compassionate, respectful, courteous, honest, and civil to you. So... do you want me to die? I certainly don't want you to die. And I can say that without even knowing you. Can you say the same about me?
Originally posted by bjarneorn
I find this part immensely funny:
In his statement Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Little said the Navy "operates under international maritime conventions to maintain a constant state of high vigilance in order to ensure the continued, safe flow of maritime traffic in waterways critical to global commerce.
What is "international waters",
high sea: the open seas of the world outside the territorial waters of any nation.
And the strait of hormuz most certainly is not international waters.
The government of Iran is looking more and more silly, in reality. They had the US forces at their doorstep in Iraq, for years and didn't react. Now, the same aircraft carriers, that they "allowed" to pass to kill Saddam, is coming to kill them ....
What an irony, I wonder if they'll have the intellect to wake up from their stupidity ... or if they'll continue to make empty threats, that will make them look bad in the main stream media and help the US. And if they "shutup", then the US will revive some of their "Al Qaida" soldiers, to have them voice out loud support for Iran, just like they did for Iraq ...
Oh how ironic ...
I am glad that you do have sympathy for the masses whom are often the only ones to suffer and die in wars, and hopefully it is a sincere one, comming from you.
Americans had done their part as much as possible within the constitution for the sake of peace, or the Iraq and afghanistan wars would have continued on, as well as N.Korea and China if cooler heads had not prevail.
BUT, can I say the same of the Iranian people? Sadly... I can't, nor will blame them for they are living in a brutal regime that will not hesitate to make citizens 'disappear' or incarcerated for life, just as the ex-President Rajisfani's daughter is now being held in sordid cells for simply voicing out in protest of the absolutely blatant rigged election held.
One issue at a time. Thing is, who is threatening who with violence now? All the world wanted was simply that the Persian apostate leaders negotiate about its nuke energy needs and behave responsibly as a member of our world. Instead it showed the middle finger and threatened the world.
The world then decided NOT to do biz with those bunch of idiots, nothing threatening, nothing more than a commercial decision that you would do to your neighbourhood shopkeeper if he had been an a**hole to you all the time.
The ball is in the court of the Iranians, if they truly and indeed feel any responsibility for their leaders actions, as you yourself claimed to be. If they need help, they never need to be shy about it. Just stand up as one people and holler for help. Perhaps that alone may be enough to send those apostate persian leaders packin'
Well, that's unfortunate and saddening. What you've said truly disheartens and dismays me. But I will not respond in kind, and I will respect your opinion.
I oppose armed conflict, and always advocate for peace and fellowship between human beings, wherever they live, and whatever their walk of life. I never support or vote for candidates (from any party) who advocate or would authorize armed conflict. I do hope for and advocate change of a positive nature.
I do believe change is possible without bloodshed. But it takes a long, long time, and is never sudden in coming. It is my firm belief that change through bloodshed only results in a new order equally capable of said bloodshed. It happened before, in our revolutionary war. And while its aims were just and its creed one I agree with on paper and in principle, it ultimately brought us here, to where we are today. Where patriotic homage to that same long ago cause of "freedom" is used to justify the bloodshed we're now here discussing engaging in.
If you perceive my passivity as enabling the tyrany of others though, that is your prerogative as I said. I can only say I wish you didn't feel the way you do, and that I would rather die myself than harm you or anyone else, anywhere in the world, for whatever little that may be worth to you.
Except for the supposed 'friends of Iran'. Not another threat from Iran, please. Those 'friends' had far more larger problems to deal with at home and internationally than to sacrifice themselves for the pipesquek persian leaders, when clearly, they too, are just as affected by the closure delay of the straits and equally worried about nuclear proliferation and wilfull belligerance from the persian idiotic leaders.
As mentioned before, no one seeks for war, but only for peace. One issue at a time, and right now, CLEARLY for all the world to see, regardless if american or iranian, it is those persian leaders that are making outright threats to war right now. Fortunately, the world is living in a more civilised time than those persian leaders that seemed to live still in a 7th century dreamland, or war would have erupted long ago.
If you truly seek for peace, end the american bashing and get to work on the Iranians instead, unless...it is not peace that you seek.
I will not take part in it. I may be a victim of it, but I will not contribute to it.
Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
Hey,im not defending america or Iran,all im saying is what would most likely happen,Iran obviously wouldn't get help from a allie of america now would they? it would obviously be a enemy of america.
Like most people,you under estimate middle eastern countries.
The allies have Iran surrounded pretty much,maybe that might contribute to why they are standing up for themselves...maybe...
america bashing? im far from bashing them,but thats what they need to snap out of their fantasy land.
america needs the work,not Iran,what has Iran done to america?
Come on,tell me,please,im dying to know.
ill be waiting..
Rest assured, you won't have to wait long, as I still have some time left, and help you in your enlightenment, so long as I can or I will just simply ignored your tirades. Arrogance perhaps, but I am only mortal and there far more worthy people to plead upon in the quest for peace. You, just like me, are only insignificant individuals with far differing perspectives.
It is you that had under-estimate the middle eastern people. The time for a reckoning on the persians had come by arabs.
If you continue on with your senseless tirades on americans, it is you that is in a fantasy land. Look around, research the facts on the relevant issues AT HAND, and not centuries back, if it is the truth you seek. But will you? I doubt so.
In anycase, I had my share in the discussions on this board, a freedom of which I am indeed priviledged to have, only that I cant say the same if I live in totalitarian regimes hell bent on destroying mankind.
Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
So...are you going to provide some information on what Iran has done to america to justify the actions they are doing against Iran? like driving a US aircraft straight into their naval exercises?
.Im asking you,what has Iran done to america to cause the hostility between them,your opinion and view on the matter.
You haven't answered yet,maybe your working on it now,if that's the case,i will be patient.
If not,you have no answer,because you have no idea on what your talking about.
You do live in a totalitarian regime that's hell bent on destroying mankind,you just cant see it.
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If at this late stage of the political situation in the Straits of Hormuz, that you ask me that question, it goes how ignorant you totally are of what's going on.
Just for that question alone, my reply to you is that it's not my policy to spoonfeed you, for I am not your teacher. Information researched fully bestowed upon another is often treated as granted and even at times with contempt.
Better you find it out yourself, for then you will have a better idea of what's its all about, and cherish such knowledge. Just don't depend on your own media alone, but find out from a variety of sources, even those you dislike, so that you may seive the grains of truth from the chafe. The truth is painful, but nevertheless, better than to live in the delusions you exhibited here.
Good luck, and next time we ever discuss issues again, may you be better informed.