Given the story you tell is your genuine experience, I don't doubt your experience was spiritual. I've read several variations of these kinds of NDEs where someone engages with a higher being who they cannot identify as being either God or Satan or any other spirit being such as an angel or demon or whatever.

Just a question, at the moment this entity dropped those final few words to you ("You cannot return to where you were if you stay") do you feel you were confronted with a decision to either remain or return to your body and that this decision would be one that, should you have chosen to remain, would of sealed your eternal destination?

I note you said you were raised in a Christian household. Are you open to God being a very real entity? Now that you have on two occasions encountered a spiritual dimension, does it occur to you that humans are beings that have souls and that souls are a creation of God?

I'm just considering what may have happened to you (as others who report similar experiences) had you decided to remain in the position you were at during your NDE. As I read through your detailed experience, it appears to me you had very limited, if any, control of your directions, travels and destinations. It appears the environments you encountered were being created as you were thrust through spiritual dimensions. Though the environments had idyllic beauty to them, it appears there were surprises along the way. I just wonder what kind of surprise you may have encountered next should you had chosen to remain, rather than return to your body. I just wonder out of curiosity if these encounters could form part of a spiritual deception until one has chosen not to return before confronting one's true spiritual and eternal condition after death.

I too, want to thank you for sharing. I've researched these for years and this is one of the most beautiful accounts I've read.

I am such an oddball christian - where others want to talk about doom & gloom or how something should be interpreted, I tend to focus on the love of God, which is proven through the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I have looked high and low to find someone, anyone who has experienced what I have and what you have wrote is the closest by far.

I always try and talk about the high mysteries of God, but can't seem to find people who understand or even want to know/learn.. Everything is there in your experience even down to the infinty symbol (it's biblical if you kow what you are looking for)..... the difference is you had to die to learn it and I learned in the flesh.

My question is:

Had you experienced in the flesh, every cell in your body exploding in ecstacy, would you have been able to stand while experiencing it or would you have fallen face down like accounts in the bible?

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct[/i\]
My question is:

Had you experienced in the flesh, every cell in your body exploding in ecstacy, would you have been able to stand while experiencing it or would you have fallen face down like accounts in the bible?

edit on 6-1-2012 by Myrtales Instinct because: (no reason given)

There is no way one could stand while experiencing that level of ecstacy. There was even a distinct feeling of falling during my experience...which account in the Bible are you speaking of? Just curious

Originally posted by ValentineWiggin

I really enjoyed reading your thread!! There are a lot of similarities indeed, I have to say, I was shocked . I loved the illustration you have of the infinity symbol, it brings back warm memories of my experience. I also experienced a lot of 2-D existence in my experience. I seemed to shift back and forth from 2-d to 3-d. It felt entirely natural to "be" 2-D.

It's weird, isn't it??? There is no way in the world to describe what that looks and feels like. It has to be experienced. It's looking at the world like you've never seen it before. Trying to imagine it is practically impossible, because it is not part of the every day (or even occasional) human experience.

I felt myself slowly being separated from the room I was in. It was as if I had been a two-dimensional being all my life, and suddenly I had stepped off the screen into a more three-dimensional space.

I definitely experienced this exact thing, I could not figure out how to explain that properly but you did an incredible job. I try to explain this to close friends that know about my experience, and I tend to lose them at "Imagine yourself as a sheet of paper"

It is frustrating to try to make someone understand who hasn't seen or experienced it. I'm glad you were able to appreciate my description. I didn't know how else to say it, but I too received some looks from people when I described it.

I wonder, are you more right brained or left? Do you see things artistically or scientifically? I am trying to wrap my head around why these experiences are so similar, yet very different. The image you posted in your post took me right back to my experience, yet that is not -exactly- what I saw. Very close.

I'm the artistic sort. Very visual.

Could it be that when we return to "the movie" (which I like to call life) that we are only able to describe the experience we had with whatever unique vision we (little portions of the whole) are privy to?

I think you may be partially right about that. I think that the information we get is the same, but the way it is presented to us is unique to our individual understanding. That way it is ensured that we all get the same message and as little as possible is misinterpreted by the viewer. It would make sense. If you show a picture of an apple to a million people and ask them to interpret it as a symbol, you're probably going to get many different answers. But.... if you give a million people the description of a message, they will find a million different ways to imagine/visualize that message. I don't know, my analogy is probably all screwed up, but I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to get at.

I also wonder if you experienced some feeling of "KNOWING". More so than what you have written, that you just can't put your finger on since you returned? I feel this and it drives me crazy. There is a piece to this puzzle I was shown but have forgotten. Maybe that piece is what keeps our fake little movie world a reality for us? I'm rambling...hope that makes sense.

That's a good way to put it. I think that while we have this feeling of "knowing", doubt is probably there for a good reason once we come back. Sometimes I feel like I should spread the word around, but on the other hand I feel like I should keep it to myself in fear of confusing people.

I think many religions came from this confusion. I can't prove it by any means, but it seems like certain religions started when people had these experiences and tried to convey them to others. People who have never experienced it will try to understand as best as they can, but while you can give them descriptions and messages from this other world, they will never be able to FEEL that "knowing" until it's their time. They won't understand it the way it was meant to be understood. It's just a philosophy to them. It's like trying to describe the feeling of being in love to someone who's never been in love. You can say "well, it feels like you have butterflies in your stomach" and they'll just stare at you clueless, trying to imagine what that might be like. You also can't force yourself to feel it. It really is just a "KNOWING".... a strong/overwhelming feeling. Some people don't give much credit to feelings as evidence, but this knowing is a feeling on major steroids. When you're there, it's just a matter of FACT.

I absolutely knew that God was All and All are God. One whole. Every single molecule...it's God. I explained this to everyone I knew at the time, one really great friend finally said "That sounds like Pantheism" and I was relieved to find a "religion" that so much mirrored my experience and the lessons learned from it.

It's interesting reading.

Interesting about the pantheism! I'll look into that.

Thanks! Cant wait to read