British Islam Fanatics To Celebrate 9/11.

They should be expected to celebrate their victories. Why would we expect them to do anything else? I wish people would wake up and understand that this is WWIV and that if we don't fight it, Islamic fanatics will run our lives forever. That is, all of us whom they do not summarily execute forthwith.

To those who would have us believe that the this British govenment is "so soft" blah blah blah......etc etc.

I would just point out that this government - like almost every post-1950's UK government - has restricted and tighted the laws relating to immigration and race in every 'term'.

Davis Blunkett - like every Home Secretary since the 1970's - has 'tightened' British Police powers considerably.

These are facts some, for some reason, prefer to ignore or disregard. I wonder why?

As for 'The Sun'? The Sun and for that matter The Telegraph reported this in the manner it has been presented here, no surprise for such right-wing rags; however others did not.

I also find the selectivity employed in relating what certain Muslims have or have not said interesting.

The march was never intended or planned to 'celebrate' 9/11.

It is also absolutely not true to say that a Muslim cleric was reported in the UK press saying the kidnapping and slaughter of children was OK. He has been completely misrepresented by those who failed to read all of what he actually said.

(The cleric concerned did not give any kind of approval for the Beslan kidnapping and murders and he most certainly did not justify anything similar happening in the UK.

It is true the hypothetical case was put to him and he hedged his long answer with so many caveats and 'ifs', 'buts' and 'maybes' that the answer could be misrepresented with ease, as it was.

In the same way that any cleric answering a hypothetical ethical question is likely to give umteen proviso's depending on the exact circumstances......ever heard a C of E Bishop 'justify' the bombing of civillians in WW2?)

I am not for one moment claiming there are not dangerous members of the Muslim community out there, I believe there are, but they have little support within the mainstream Muslim community.

I also believe there are very dangerous members of the so-called 'Christian' community out there attempting to use this issue for their own ends; these people also have very little support within 'their' mainstream community.

It is ironic IMO that each seeks and needs the actions of the other to attempt to gain support.

There is indeed 'hate' out there but it sure as hell isn't confined to the small nutter element of one 'group' alone and each are dangerous to the vast bulk of us whatever our religion/beliefs.



[edit on 10-9-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

You are either with us against terror or against us.

150 dead children is all the answer anyone should need.

as you say Sminky: 'if's, buts, caveats' Indeed. heh all this 'Cleric' was doing is covering up his own support for these murderers and others like him if not his own complicity in such actions too.

All i see is a terrorist.

[edit on 10-9-2004 by rustiswordz]

Originally posted by rustiswordz
You are either with us against terror or against us.

- That might be fine for you mate but IMO anyone who reduces everything to a black and white is either a fool or a knave.

My money is on there being a pack of knaves looking to beguile as many fools as possible with this either or 'forced option' BS.

You suck that crap up if you like. I prefer to try and use my God-given brain.

150 dead children is all the answer anyone should need.

- Those who planned and committed this attrocity will be hunted down. The 'events' will be investigated. The story found out, in time.

.....and whether it really did have any great connection into any 'world terrorist threat' or was mainly part of the on-going 'domestic' Chetchyna/ Ingushetia/Crimean/Russian conflict.

We shall see, but I would caution against those pushing for instant judgements.

as you say Sminky: 'if's, buts, caveats' Indeed. heh all this 'Cleric' was doing is covering up his own support for these murderers

- Yeah well that's your interpretation, having read all of his comments it's not mine and would not be for most balanced and impartial people I'd bet......if they bothered to read his entire comments.

and others like him if not his own complicity in such actions too.

- That's just a wild implication of some kind of 'linkage', you have no grounds for that, do you?

All i see is a terrorist.

- Interesting, because the one thing we can be sure of is that this guy is absolutely not a terrorist nor involved in terrorism.

Im sorry but i cant believe the rubbish that i am reading from you sminkeypinkey!!
you sound to me like you are one of those little do-gooders who thinks that the world is all rosey out there!
i must admit that in giving your answeres you do sound like a well read person, BUT i think that the reading you are quoting from is one of those 'lefty -dont hurt the animals - i love evryone- ' papers.
You sound to me like you dont mind giving your hard earned money to people like abu hamza ,abu abdullah, and the animal that IS holding this rally? so they can stay in MY country and preach death and destruction to me (an infedel) this is MY bloody country!!!!!
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF LEFTY DO-GOODERS !!!
you are living under the misguided rule that if '''YOU dont hurt anyone, no-one will hurt You'''... this is the 21st century, there are animals out there (they are not human) that will take your children and your wife rape them then kill them while you watch, there are animals that will walk into a school where INNOCENT children and parents are then blow them up and shoot them...My God pinkey one of those young children was shot 48 times in the bloody back for god sake WAKE UP !!!
How many more terrorist attacks is there going to be round the world, before people like you 'pinky' realise that there threats to you and me and everyone else???
IF you are still of the asumption that all my information is gleened from so called right wing comics i ask you to go to www.ogrish.com (pls note that this site is extremly graphic in content and u must be over 18 to view), and on the front page take a look at the first 3 execution and beheading videos, this is not media hype (the media dont have this footage, they just talk about it) this is sheer BRUTALITY of american and european hostages, these are the Type of people that yesterday may have been sitting on a train next to you? THINK ABOUT THAT AFTER YOU HAVE WATCHED WHAT THESE ANIMALS ARE CAPABLE OF?

PROUD TO BE ENGLISH!!!
SAY NO TO THE EURO!!
REMEMBER 911

Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by American Mad Man
This convention place would be a good spot for a bomb to go off.

These sick #s must be killed. All of them. I don't care if they aren't going to be terrorists - they all need to DIE!

Ok thats a little extreme...
dont sink to their level American Mad Man

this is on an american media site and an afew islamic extremist sites, this isnt a lie. Extremists are holding the event, not normal muslims. But i feel, after tomorrow, the muslim community will end up being targetted all the time now

[edit on 10-9-2004 by infinite]

It would be unfitting to say "Happy Patriots Day" to any one.

We have a so called "holiday" today, it's not a happy one in my my eyes.

We need to keep in mind, that the victims of 9/11 died because of Islamic extremists!

The Islamic religion, I feel is a major terrorist organization, that uses the title of religion to carry out their evil deeds angainst Americans worldwide.

They know that we have the clause, Freedom of Religion in our Bill of Rights.

They use this fact against us, knowing that they can't be touched for their beliefs, especially with groups like tha ACLU running to defend them.

Extreme in what American Mad Man said?

No. The Islamic Nation wants to destroy our way of life.

Extreme measures are going to have to be taken.

We're not going to stoop to their level.

We will be protecting the rights of and insuring the safety of our posterity.

That's all.

they say every cloud has a silver lining.
the PC crowd that insist on trying to "understand" and please every camel jockey and rag head that comes here will eventually allow the BNP or similar far right party to be elected by the British people. the man in the street can only take so much and when the country is completely overun he will elect any one who will solve the problem.
Remember Germany in the 20s and 30s !

" Al-Muhajiroun, which vowed that one day the Islamic flag will fly in Downing Street, had planned to stage a conference in London to mark the third anniversary of September 11 but it was called it off on police advice. "

www.ananova.com...

I find myself wondering if it was really ever intended to take place anyway - or if it was all just a part of the overall strategy. Look at the discussion it's provoked here for one thing - people divided against what should be a common cause for all, irrespective of religion, race, colour whatever ...

I know Sun Tzu's treatise on warfare is horribly abused, overused and misquoted everywhere - but the Way of it still esentially holds true:

"All warfare is based on deception".

"Therefore the skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field".

Is that what we see beginning here - divided and distracted as we fight amongst ourselves ?

Go too far down that road, and it's already over before you realise it.


[edit on 11-9-2004 by 0951]

Originally posted by spymaster
so they can stay in MY country and preach death and destruction to me (an infedel) this is MY bloody country!!!!!

no spymaster, it's OUR country. not just yours.

Ever considered the idea that those people were beheaded in revenge for the US/UK invading Iraq?

You call yourself proud to be English. Well I think you're a bloody embarrassment. You're scared of Muslims, even though there as NEVER been an terrorist attack on British soil by an Islamic group.


( In fact the last three terrorist attacks were by that right-wing nutcase Copeland. One of those bombs missed me by 2 minutes and 200 yards. He was scared and thought the same way you seem to. ).

Where's your backbone man!! Where's your guts? We dealt the IRA for 30 years without being scared of the Irish, and there's far more of them in Britain that Muslims. Getting scared isn't the British way.

I too am proud to be British (unless it's the football in which case it's English of course). I too am against the Euro, but I also know how to put things in perspective.

I don't fall for the propaganda put out to scare people.

Sorry mate, but you have fallen hook, line and sinker for the right wing propaganda you claim not to be influenced by.









[edit on 11/9/04 by muppet]

I have noticed a distinct lack of links in this thread, so I do not feel informed enough to say anything but this. If ther indeed is to be a rally in Britain today by muslims, and if it turns from "rememberance" to "celebration" I hope that there are people there to shout them down. Freedom of speach goes both ways boys.

Originally posted by Seth Bullock
I have noticed a distinct lack of links in this thread, so I do not feel informed enough to say anything but this. If ther indeed is to be a rally in Britain today by muslims, and if it turns from "rememberance" to "celebration" I hope that there are people there to shout them down. Freedom of speach goes both ways boys.

No maintream news sources have even mentioned the rally, and certainly nothing went ahead. (is 22:41 now so I guess if anything was going to happen it would have happened by now!)

This whole thing sounds fishy to me, almost like some sort of "tree-shaking" exercise. There was some sort of rally back on June 25th, which was allegedly supposed to have taken place in Trafalgar Square, was not allowed to go ahead, and apparently happened somewhere in Essex instead, but even that sounded fishy.

I've also been looking for links on this one though and there are none of any credence. (and the BBC did mention the June 25th one so it's not like there was a cover up). Here's the story on the 25th June rally. news.bbc.co.uk...

this 9/11 Rally though.. I think it's all been a wind up.. (and judging by some of the responses here, it worked!! )

This is pathetic for two reasons, the fanatics celebrating it, and the ignorant masses who assume all Muslims are terrorists. Some of you members need to grow up, and realize that some fanatics do not represent the entire demograph.


Are we aware of how many terrorist organizations there are ?

17 November

Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades

Abu Nidal organization (ANO)*

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)*

Al Ummah

Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB)

al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya

al-Jihad

al-Qaeda (Pre-9/11)

al-Qaeda (Post-9/11)

Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB)

Arab Revolutionary Brigades

Arab Revolutionary Council

Armed Islamic Group (GIA)*

Aum Shinrikyo

Aum Supreme Truth (Aum)*

Basque Fatherland and Liberty

Black September

Continuity Army Council

Dev Sol

Devrimci Sol

DFLP

DHKP/C

ELA

Ellalan Force

ELN

ETA

Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna

FARC

Fatah Revolutionary Council

Federation of Associations of Canadian Tamils (FACT) (front organization)

FPMR

GIA

HAMAS

Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM)

Hizballah

HUM

IG

Irish Republican Army (IRA)

Islamic Group

Islamic Jihad (Hizballah)

Islamic Jihad (al-Jihad)

Islamic Jihad for the Liberation of Palestine

Islamic Resistance Movement

Jamaat ul-Fuqra

Japanese Red Army (JRA)*

Jihad Group

Kach* and Kahane Chai

Khmer Rouge

Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK)*

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)*

Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)

Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR)*

MRTA

Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO)*

Muslim Iranian Student's Society (front organization used to garner financial support)

National Council of Resistance (NCR)

National Liberation Army (ELN)--Colombia

National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK)

New People's Army (NPA)

Organization of the Oppressed on Earth

Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)*

Party of God

People's Mujahidin of Iran (PMOI)

PFLP

PFLP-GC

PKK

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)*

Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)*

Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA)

Provos

Qibla and People Against Gangsterism and Drugs (PAGAD)

Real IRA (RIRA)

Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)*

Revolutionary Justice Organization

Revolutionary Left

Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17 November)*

Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims

Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C)*

Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA)*

RIRA

Sangillan Force

Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path, SL)*

Shining Path

Sikh Terrorism

SL

Talaa' al-Fateh

The Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)*

The Party of Democratic Kampuchea (Khmer Rouge)*

True IRA

Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA)*

Vanguards of Conquest

World Tamil Association (WTA) (front organization)

World Tamil Movement (WTM) (front organization)

Zviadists



Deep.

Well muppet, i'm just more than a little concerned about some rag head walking into my kids school with a belt of C4 strapped to his chest, i also live close to a large Muslim community and they have been letting fireworks off all day.

I just hope its in celebration of Muhammeds 21st birthday.

Reason we are so 'paranoid' is because we do have such a large proportion of Muslims here in the UK, and because of lax immigration laws and our 'tolerant' approach to free speech every Muslim nut and murderer has come here to preach his filth and frankly i dont know which ones to trust because they are such a insular secrative race.

Thats why im paranoid. And whos to say that one of these nutters may bomb targets here in the UK its not as if he needs to travel far...

Hell the US may even bomb us and i woulnt blame them and that idea as far fetched as it is scares me.

[edit on 11-9-2004 by rustiswordz]

TO SPYMASTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who gives a f**k what you think, what are you gonna get out of wrighting all this bull s**t. you obviously haven't got a clue wat the f**k your on a about. And i cant even bothered to explain to you thick piece of sh**, your just twisting things and think your doing the world a favour, grow up, get your facts straight, and stop stirring hatred. U PATHETIC C**t.




[edit on 11-9-2004 by Y2007800100952]

@ Zero deep: 90% of those are muslim. i rest my case.

Originally posted by Y2007800100952
who gives a f**k what you think, what are you gonna get out of wrighting all this bull s**t. you obviously haven't got a clue wat the f**k your on a about. And i cant even bothered to explain to you thick piece of sh**, your just twisting things and think your doing the world a favour, grow up, get your facts straight, and stop stirring hatred. U PATHETIC C**t.

Got any to present yourself...

No it appears not, you me both matey.

Originally posted by spymaster
Im sorry but i cant believe the rubbish that i am reading from you sminkeypinkey!!

- I'd try and calm down a little if I were you. You don't like what I have to say - so why read it? - and frankly the feeling is mutual.

you sound to me like you are one of those little do-gooders who thinks that the world is all rosey out there!

- My money is on most folks you disagree with being written off in this way.....right?

i must admit that in giving your answeres you do sound like a well read person,

- that's kind of you to say so. Thank you. I try.

BUT i think that the reading you are quoting from is one of those 'lefty -dont hurt the animals - i love evryone- ' papers.

- Pity you had to go spoil it with this 'but' nonsense.

I get my news from a variety of sources, some domestic some international. It seems to me that anyone hoping to be at least half informed these days has to make serious efforts to. In my experience we certainly hear very little of the full story if we don't.

You sound to me like you dont mind giving your hard earned money to people like abu hamza ,abu abdullah,

- Where are you getting this rubbish from? How does anything I have said so far "sound like I don't mind.....blah blah blah? Just cos you disagree?! FFS how absurd.

I haven't given funding to anyone over this actually.

and the animal that IS holding this rally?

- Firstly he is not an 'animal' and secondly we thankfully have free speech here.....a 'prize' you sound unlikely to protect.

Actually you sound like you are just the English version of what you claim to be against.

You dehumanise, you would deny freedoms, you laud brutality......stop me if I got this wrong but what's the difference?

so they can stay in MY country and preach death and destruction to me (an infedel) this is MY bloody country!!!!!

- As has been already said, not it isn't, it's not your country. Your merely a piece of Royal property in it, you aren't even a citizen here.

That man has not 'preached' death and destruction. You just want to believe he did.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF LEFTY DO-GOODERS !!!

- Awwww, shame. Boo hoo hoo.

Well suck it up cos us 'lefties' are going to be in power for many many more years yet. Landslide number 3 on it's way next spring (or, at the latest, the one after).

you are living under the misguided rule that if '''YOU dont hurt anyone, no-one will hurt You'''

- No, I live under the accurate very soundly guided maxim that when you mess with, manipulate, hurt and attack people - even by proxy - it might well have consequences. This is an entirely different idea.

... this is the 21st century,

- wow, glad you noticed, for a moment I thought it was like you were talking like it was the 19th century or early 20th.

there are animals out there (they are not human)

- by dehumanising these people you become like them; I know you can't see it, but, thankfully most can.

that will take your children and your wife rape them then kill them while you watch,

- cor, those are some fantasies you have there. Do they get you 'roused'?

there are animals that will walk into a school where INNOCENT children and parents are then blow them up and shoot them...My God pinkey one of those young children was shot 48 times in the bloody back for god sake WAKE UP !!!

- to what? That terrorism and violent death is horrible? Wow thanks for that news.

Now let's talk about the why. Like adults, recognising where 'we' might have helped bring any of this about by our actions and what we might do to help resolve the situation so none of this ever happens again.....

.....or are you still happy to waste your time and mine pointless with crap about 'animals' and 'evil' etc etc?

It's true that it won't always be the case that everybody can be dealt with like an adult - as you demonstrate? - but thankfully history shows most can most of the time.

How many more terrorist attacks is there going to be round the world, before people like you 'pinky' realise that there threats to you and me and everyone else???

- As a resident of Northern Ireland I think I might just have a little more of a clue about terrorism than you.

I have lived with the 'threat' of random lethal violence and murder everyday for decades. What do you know about it?

IF you are still of the asumption that all my information is gleened from so called right wing comics i ask you to go to www.ogrish.com (pls note that this site is extremly graphic in content and u must be over 18 to view), and on the front page take a look at the first 3 execution and beheading videos, this is not media hype (the media dont have this footage, they just talk about it) this is sheer BRUTALITY of american and european hostages, these are the Type of people that yesterday may have been sitting on a train next to you? THINK ABOUT THAT AFTER YOU HAVE WATCHED WHAT THESE ANIMALS ARE CAPABLE OF?

- so you visit a place like ogrish, why aren't I surprised. Find yourself going there a little too often do you?

Started get your jollies watching these films and pictures......phwoooaarrr those smashed bodies, eh ,eh ,eh? Course it's not all suicide bombers and beheadings is it? What about the families smashed to bits by stray missiles or bombs or killed in crossfire? Where's your compassion for any of them?

So you saw some real messy gore on a website. Big deal. Try some of that for real. Then tell me about it.

Do you really think man's capacity to treat man inhumanely is news?

.....and stop trying to spread the BS that these people are acting for no reason.

You might not agree with their reasons but they have some. They are not 'animals' they are not mindless. Many have families that have suffered so much that they will go out and sacrifice their own lives.

There is far more to all this than just a nutty gang and an entire people duped by their nutty religion.

Wise up.

Sooner or later we will have to sort it out and retreating into this type of scared propaganda just puts that day off further and lays yet more people open to risk.....which you claim to be bothered about.

PROUD TO BE ENGLISH!!!

- Amazing, good for you. How long did you spend deciding to be English before you were born then?

I noticed your little 'there is a difference' jibe over the British/English thing. As an Englishman I find you attitude offensive as well as absurd.

SAY NO TO THE EURO!!

- Yeah, that makes sense......that that would be your attitude. No surprises there.

REMEMBER 911

- Are you the full-on American leg-humping wannabe Brit or what? Celebrate 'thanksgiving' too do you?



[edit on 11-9-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

Let them celebrate!

Just take a lot of photos and Video.



After all, how often do you get a homogenous collection of
the ENEMY? Right on the streets!

Good intel will be gathered..

Originally posted by rustiswordz
Reason we are so 'paranoid' is because we do have such a large proportion of Muslims here in the UK,

- Rubbish. It's about 2.5%.

www.geocities.com...

and because of lax immigration laws

- Again, complete rubbish.

The UK's immigartion laws are some of the toughest in the developed world. They've been being tightened by every UK government since the end of the 1960's.

[edit on 11-9-2004 by sminkeypinkey]

Here's a question -- Why do the countries attacked by radical Muslims (the U.S., U.K., Russia, India, China, Israel, etc. -- and the list keeps growing!) have to get rid of the radical Muslims? Why can't the moderate, secular Muslims eliminate the murderers & terrorists from their own societies like the rest of us do? Is it because they're a distinct minority who fear for their own lives if they speak out?