reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx
Two parts. According the Genesis, Man didn't become god. They gained the knowledge of truth and evil. Man obviously isn't God, neither by the
ideologies of the bible writers, nor by any common definition of the word God.
Well, according to Genesis 3, at first the serpent said : "5“For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you
will be like God, knowing good and evil
By reading further down on Genesis 3 :"And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
It proves that man is direct responsible for the evil, since man became like God by knowing the difference. And that is evident through out our human
Secondly, providing this is true, which it isn't. It would prove nothing.So if you're proving God's existence, by proving Man is God.
You're only "proving" that man exists.
That´s your assertion, and not mine. I am only pointing that since man became as God, then man has the responsibility of evil, since every individual
is direct responsible for his/her actions.
Man is not omnipotent. For a few reasons. Including the fact that man isn't god.
I know that, but tell that to the new age persons who claiming "You are God" and "Divine"
Most suffering in this world, isn't caused by man, but is a result of the things that man doesn't have the power to control. Some suffering
comes from malevolence, or overall selfishness and greed. Though mankind is mostly composed of, at least mostly, good people.
Yes, i agree. There are things that we cannot control. As an example nature. But man tries to control nature, and thus causing more suffering. Also
there are things that we can control ( e.g disease,starvation, etc) In other words :
Suffering arises from trying to control what is
uncontrollable,or from neglecting what is within our power.
Which bring us to the question about man "Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?.
Going back to the problem of evil:
If God is Omnipotent
If God is Omniscient
If God is Benevolent
Then Evil cannot exist. Because God wouldn't allow it.
How do you know that God would not allow it ? I do not. But for the sake of argument, even if He is allowing it, that is proof of His Benevolence.
However if He didn´t allow it, then He would be an evil God, because if He didn´t allow it then you have an impersonal and distant God that takes
joy at the suffering of human beings. The bible does not teach an impersonal force/God. The bible shows that God is dynamic, is personal and He cares
for us. After all, He send His son to show us His way. Is it God´s fault that man does not take responsibility of his/her actions even though He
showed us the way? Is it God´s fault that there is starvation, sickness etc., knowing that these things we can control?
To repeat the question about man: "Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Any other kind of God, doesn't cause the problem of evil.
Of course. Because any other kind of God is not there.
If man is god, then the problem of evil doesn't exist,
Actually, it does. If man is as God and knows what is good and evil, then man knows what is within it´s power and what is not. Which brings the
question : Is he neither able nor willing? Then why blame God?”
because man isn't Omnipotent or Omniscient,
That´s no excuse at all. There are things that we can control see above. And to quote scripture which i think is of relevance :
For I was hungry,
and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in; naked, and you covered me; sick, and you
visited me; I was in prison, and you came to me. (Matthew 25:35-36)
I do not think you have to be Omnipotent or Omniscient in order to perform those tasks, or am i wrong?
and of varying levels of Benevolence.
In my opinion,you either good or bad. To quote Epictetus :
First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do. Book III, ch.
Also, it's not about "Blaming" God.
In my opinion it is. It´s quite evident in "Religion and Faith" forum here in ATS. And by the looks of it, the op is absent from his/her thread.
Further i have a feeling that is a troll thread about how the christian God is evil etc, since the op asks specifically Christians. If it wasn´t then
the op would at least have stated his/her opinion so people of all faiths or not would discuss the subject.