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Cloud seeding, contrails, chemtrails, weather modifications, weapons, secret operations and projects

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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well i did say I hadn't read it yet


phage may i ask, regardless of the evidence at hand now.. but instead based on:

the way doctors promoted ciggarettes once upon a time, and fluride added to water & promoted as effective measure against tooth decay... while we now know better,

are you open to the possibility that while evidence today supports 'safe cloud seeding' and the like more so then "chemically dangerous aircraft trails" that someday in the future we may find we're told it was indeed harmful to our health after all and we had been being duped?

I know what answer I expect from a logical rational person like yourself, but I also look forward to reading how you will do everything you can not to reach that conclusion beforehand....being the adamant skeptic that you are.

Peace,
-TF

P.S) please don't resort to arguing semantics, I've done my best to be clear with the knowledge and language available to me, the onus is on your big educated cranium to fill in the gaps....please....

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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cheer up eddie. the troll thing was a joke because if you look you'll see I actually also contribute posts to this thread which are on topic.

fighting fire with fire is what you saw me doing with my troll like activities. until I posted no one seemed particularly interested in discussing the pdf at hand.

and yes, now I'm done.

Peace,
-TF



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by ThoughtForms
reply to post by Phage
 


the way doctors promoted ciggarettes once upon a time, and fluride added to water & promoted as effective measure against tooth decay... while we now know better,


So you think those items constitute evidence that chemtrails exist??

The complete lack of verifiable evidence supporting the existence of chemtrails is itself evidence of absence - after a dozen or more years nothing has ever been found that can be verified as per the chemtrail theory - there are no whistle blowers, there are no chemical residues, there are no odd bits of equipment on planes, no strange trucks backing up to aircraft pumping unknown materials into tanks that shouldn't be there, no fuel samples showing additives that are not supposed to be there.

Out of the billions of gallons of jet fuel, 100's of millions of commercial flights, millions of airline employees worldwide.....zip, nada, nothing.

the fact that sometimes new evidence is found that changes our view of things doesn't make chemtrails real.

Something that simply doesn't exist as it is postulated is never going to have that evidence found.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:26 AM
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weather modifications, weapons, secret operations and projects, Are saying these dont exist either?



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by killemall
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


weather modifications, weapons, secret operations and projects, Are saying these dont exist either?


He quite clearly said chemtrails. And I agree. We have evidence of weather modification programmes from lots of documentation, pictures of cloud seeding aeroplanes and even a couple of weeks ago a BBC entertainment programme DEMONSTRATED cloud seeding from an actual aeroplane on mainstream TV.

Research into the other things you mentioned, at the very least, is also known about. But why do you think all this can be tied to Chemtrail theory?

Your rationale reads like "we have seen space travel on Dr Who and Star Trek so that proves that a space ship landed in London" it's utter nonsense.

ALL attempts to show evidence of aircraft modified for or partaking in Chemtrail activity have been shown to be false. Every single one for 15 years. So a government so inept it couldn't get 9/11 right manages this activity to perfection all over the globe?

I don't think so.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by waynos

Originally posted by killemall
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


weather modifications, weapons, secret operations and projects, Are saying these dont exist either?


He quite clearly said chemtrails. And I agree. We have evidence of weather modification programmes from lots of documentation, pictures of cloud seeding aeroplanes and even a couple of weeks ago a BBC entertainment programme DEMONSTRATED cloud seeding from an actual aeroplane on mainstream TV.

Research into the other things you mentioned, at the very least, is also known about. But why do you think all this can be tied to Chemtrail theory?

Your rationale reads like "we have seen space travel on Dr Who and Star Trek so that proves that a space ship landed in London" it's utter nonsense.

ALL attempts to show evidence of aircraft modified for or partaking in Chemtrail activity have been shown to be false. Every single one for 15 years. So a government so inept it couldn't get 9/11 right manages this activity to perfection all over the globe?

I don't think so.


Thanks for the post you have helped with the proof of chemtrails in one reply by adding, (look for the bold)
[quote; We have evidence of weather modification programmes from lots of documentation, pictures of cloud seeding aeroplanes and even a couple of weeks ago a BBC entertainment programme DEMONSTRATED cloud seeding from an actual aeroplane on mainstream TV. end quote]

What do you think the cloud seeding is done with, fairy floss?
Why is it evidence in picture form, tv, documentation and BBC when it suits. Can we not use the same pictures, documentation form for proof of chemtrails?

Chemtrail is a word not an action. Chemtrail may not be the right word at this present time but spraying the sky is action and spraying what in the sky and why will be disclosed eventually that is for sure.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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no I said regardless of the evidence.

If it is found that the trails that all these people have been taking photos of are responsible for a decline in health one day then I believe that would indeed prove that they exist.

and you did answer my question in a round about way even though it wasn't directed at you:
No, You aren't open to the possibilities of chem-trails being proven real one day.

Peace,
-TF



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:00 AM
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May I suggest you read the over 300 threads on this nonsense of chemtrails and you will find more info than you can absorb. In fact start here and enjoy the reading.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh and I was wrong there are over 400 threads on this subject that will explain all your title talks about. This is nothing new and no new evidence is shown in your link. So sorry, but better luck next time...


Okay here is a translated portion of what is said on your linked page....


As a result of the freezing temperature (- 40 ° C) and humidity (+ 70%) in this layer of air freezes the water vapor in the exhaust. These contrails disappear after a few seconds / at most a few minutes. Chemtrails (chemical traces) are clearly be distinguished: they are broader, richer lines which begin to spread after a few minutes and hours remain visible. It is clearly a concerted action of several aircraft.


So only a few aircraft do this globally? Nobody can even show a plane that is capable of spraying anything in the volume that would need to be sprayed to cause any affect on the ground.


These draw lines next to and perpendicular to each other and a grid is formed. This spreads out and forms a milky haze, the sunlight brightly filters another regular shape pattern is the X-shape the 'spray vehicles "fly usually markedly lower than normal, between 6 and 10 km in layers which naturally neither temperature or humidity is present, which is necessary for condensation. This is crucial: this 'cloud streaks' are not caused by freezing water (vapor), but by the action of chemicals deliberately released into the atmosphere be brought. The picture below shows the very clear distinction between a contrail and a chemtrail.


The grid lines they talk about are well flight paths that planes fly daily. Well where is the scientific evidence to back any of what was said in the above comment.Now to your picture that they say is the difference between chemtrails and contrails. Funny how you can take two planes at different distances and try and spin it in such a rediculous way.


Why not check into this link and see what you will find.

contrailscience.com...

In fact here is a picture that will really blow you away, because it shows the same type of picture that your link says proves chemtrails.

contrailscience.com...

Enjoy the reading...

And here are a few pics for you..







And all of these are contrail pics.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Prove it



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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You aren't open to the possibilities of chem-trails being proven real one day.


So then what your saying is that chemtrails aren't proven to be real, but could be proven real one day. is that what you are implying?


Good luck on finding proof of them someday,but today they do not exist and nobody has shown scientific proof that they do, but keep going someday you may well prove your right just don't hold your breath til then.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Prove it


Prove what? I am pretty sure the links I provided will show proof enough of whatever you need proof for.


Tell you what, how about you show proof of chemtrails tat has not been debunked in the over 400 previous threads on the subject. May I suggest a bit of research on the subject before starting a thread that has been discussed before.

Better yet show the scientific proof that they exist, who is doing it, what are they made up of, where are these planes flying out of? If you can do this then you may have a good argument until then you have no proof of anything called chemtrails. Where are all these people that are getting sick from all these chemtrails? People need to know since we are being poisoned as chemtrailers want to say.
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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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You and your mates are all about disproving chemtrails but you could not prove they don't exist if your life depended on it could you?



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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You and your mates are all about disproving chemtrails but you could not prove they don't exist if your life depended on it could you?


Hard to disprove something that doesn't exist. So you are saying you can prove scientifically without a shadow of a doubt they exist? By all means do your best and invite all the chemtrailers in the world and you still do not have the proof they exist. I take it you did not look at the links that were provided did you? Try it you may learn a few tings and yes science can prove chemtrails do not exist it is in the links I provided.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 08:52 AM
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I haven’t seen any debunking of any chemtrail threads, just lots of deliberate arrogance and blatant ignorance from the other side. It appears to me some so called debunkers are getting a little agitated. Must be SMITHS.
Yes hard to disprove planes don’t spray chemicals, I agree with you there.
Scientifically a bee cannot fly but does it, YES
Scientifically the world is millions of years old but who can testify to that claim? No man alive today.
I plan on starting a new chemtrail thread once a week just for education and awearness seen as it appears so many are still in denial of what is in the sky almost daily.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Must be SMITHS


This must be the new word that chemtrailers are using to call people who don't agree with them and their scientifically baseless evidence for chemtrails. Maybe you should put a bit more effort in researching chemtrails instead of the name calling you might just see the truth. Chemtrails are not real and again nobody has proven that wrong with any shred of evidence and you know it.


The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some trails left by aircraft are actually chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for purposes undisclosed to the general public in clandestine programs directed by government officials.[1] This theory is not accepted by the scientific community, which states that they are just normal contrails, and that there is no scientific evidence supporting the chemtrail theory. As a result of the popularity of the conspiracy theory, official agencies have received thousands of complaints from people who have demanded an explanation.[1][2] The existence of chemtrails has been repeatedly denied by scientists around the world, who say the trails are normal contrails.[3] The United States Air Force states that the theory is a hoax which "has been investigated and refuted by many established and accredited universities, scientific organizations, and major media publications".[4] The United Kingdom's Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has stated that chemtrails are not scientifically recognized phenomena.[5] The Canadian Leader of the Government in the House of Commons has rejected the idea of chemtrails as being a "popularised expression", adding that "there is no scientific evidence to support their existence."[6]


and this...


] A multi-agency response to dispel the rumors was published in a 2000 fact sheet by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), a step many chemtrail believers have interpreted as further evidence of the existence of a government cover-up.[3]


en.wikipedia.org...

Tell you what put up the best evidence you can find that chemtrails are real and I will bet it can be debunked? Are you willing to take the task?


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posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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Nice try,
Enjoy the air you breath and the depleted nutrients and lack of minerals in your food. When you get sick have a blood test and see what is in your system, why not test yourself now, see what your red and white blood count is and how deficient your cell walls are. Oh and you will need to be tested by live blood analyst done by a natural path for a real true result.
Best of luck with proving ice crystals spead over 100's and 100's of square kilometers in our sky for hours upon hours and block the sun and the rest.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Ah, right. You think cloud seeding is the same as chemtrails then. Despite cloud seeding bearing no relation to what is claimed to be chemtrails. Interesting logic you seem to be applying.

Cloud seeding occurs at low altitudes where cumulous clouds are to be found, these are the ones that give you rain. The cloud has to be already there and the activity results in rainfall in around 30 minutes or less. The aircraft that perform the task leave no visible trail and are quite small (anything from a Cessna Skyhawk to a Beech King Air is easily big enough.

Care to explain how this is the same as a large jet leaving a visible trail across a blue sky at 30,000ft? I don't see the similarity.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Nice try, Enjoy the air you breath and the depleted nutrients and lack of minerals in your food. When you get sick have a blood test and see what is in your system, why not test yourself now, see what your red and white blood count is and how deficient your cell walls are. Oh and you will need to be tested by live blood analyst done by a natural path for a real true result.


Too bad I just had one 2 months ago and guess what very healthy and great blood tests negative on everything.


Also have 20/20 vision, so guess those nasty chemtrails aren't working on me. Thanks for asking though...



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Cloud seeding occurs at low altitudes where cumulous clouds are to be found, these are the ones that give you rain. The cloud has to be already there and the activity results in rainfall in around 30 minutes or less. The aircraft that perform the task leave no visible trail and are quite small (anything from a Cessna Skyhawk to a Beech King Air is easily big enough. Care to explain how this is the same as a large jet leaving a visible trail across a blue sky at 30,000ft? I don't see the similarity.



You can prove that to them time and time again yet they still cannot understand the difference.( Just for them no there is no such thing as chemtrails.)


Maybe one day they will actually understand what they post. Not a jab at you only at the chemtrailers...

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