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reply posted on 5-2-2012 @ 11:05 PM by Pimander

AFOSI


FUNCTION

We are a federal law enforcement and investigative agency operating throughout the full spectrum of conflict, seamlessly within any domain; conducting criminal investigations and providing counterintelligence services.

MISSION

To Identify, exploit and neutralize criminal, terrorist and intelligence threats to the Air Force, Department of Defense and U.S. Government.
AFOSI Website





NOTE TO MEMBERS



It is obvious that one of the perceived "intelligence threats to the Air Force, Department of Defense and U.S. Government" would be the compromise of classified information about Groome Lake/A51 or nearby operational secret tests.

We know there are secret tests at the base. It would be dereliction of duty if the CIA, FBI or AFOSI did not to have counter-intelligence missions in operation regarding groom Lake and surrounds.

Logic dictates that if there were classified non-conventional tests then AFOSI special agents would be showing an interest in this material. Their agenda is to suppress any discussion whatever of classified tests of non-conventional craft whether in the past or present. The only discussion they would encourage is of conventional craft OR OUTRIGHT DENIAL which is exactly what we have here.

I would suggest that, to work out who any agents involved are, members look at who are the main players (at least one is not on this thread) regarding efforts to discover what goes on at the base in recent years. Who else could it be if there are active Special Agents?

I rest my case



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reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 11:45 AM by A51Watcher
reply to post by Pimander



In response to what Pimander's post(s)...

Umm yeah, what he said.


In short, the devious and dishonest posts and refusal to debate are exactly what I was referring to.

Anyone who pretends not to have noticed these actions is also suspect in my book.


Was the motivation for such actions merely wounded pride from not being seen as the know-it-all of Area 51 and loss of 'fanbois'?

That suspicion went out the window when the actions became so ridiculous it was obvious they didn't care even if their 'fanbois' saw how unbelievable and dense and evasive the responses were.

So then if wounded pride is not the motivation, what IS the motivation for such single- minded determination to avoid the issues at all costs, while constantly spreading disinformation nonstop.




reply posted on 11-2-2012 @ 07:25 PM by astro144
Hello Fellow ATS members,

I am new to ATS...

I joined to look for some further information on Bob Lazar...as much as I am a Johnny come very lately.

I have known about the story for a few years and tried to learn more about the possibilities behind it.
I found it a fascinating story be it true or fake...when will a film be made about it !

Ive been up and down on my views about it..but as time goes on even some of well known people in the field
who have offered their points of view including those who are skeptical do not always offer worthwhile
points of view that I would fully accept or agree with.

As I have got older, I hope I am a bit wiser.. but sometimes I question if we are stuck within limited boundaries..
Maybe those with lower abilities could not comprehend certain things and trying to comprehend something along these lines seems a huge task for most I would think.

Ref to hoping that I am now wiser... I believe that I do now have to question so much..and do not know what or who to believe at times. I do believe that there is huge disinformation and misleading that goes on, especially about such topics...This can be huge from the people at the top, be it Gov related CIA/ Military etc.
They are no doubt severe experts at it...Not only does one need to be relatively well educated, one also needs to be quite clever to try and decipher what may or may not be true..

Id say I am very slow to many and only in the last few years learned this from certain people who try and expose such things.... I suppose without the internet most of us would be in the Dark... It must be a major threat to those at the top who are or have been misleading.Ive looked elsewhere for certain info on Bob Lazar and either found its a topic not wanting to be discussed or much of it now seems to be dismissed as a hoax...

What I am trying to find is if there are any highly educated or professional points of view on it from the science and engineering backgrounds. and to try and find any views that may still offer possible truths behind it.

Ive been trying to search through the 8500 posts that are suggested...and hoping to find a list of threads
that discuss the Bob Lazar story, so far this seems one of the latest and biggest that I have found.

I wonder if any of the longer term members could suggest any other threads that they believe worth checking out
for more positive views on Bob Lazar's story..

I just started to try and get some idea on this thread and I cannot believe how many posts have been made by certain members...and I was not able to carry on, it was too much to handle in one visit.

There do appear some posters on it that do still do not fully dismiss his story.

I have recently been looking at Ed Fouches Alienscientist website and he dismisses Bob Lazars story..
BUT he still refers to S4 and Paposse lake as an area where his Flying triangles were held..
It surprises me if he has dismissed some of B.Ls story, that he still keeps alive S4 and Papoose Lake.

He also suggest more secret base further south of Papoose... many levels underground..
Seeing that EG&G had created many underground tunnels etc around this area. He suggest these are highly camouflaged and that is almost impossible to find the entrances even at close view. and satellites passing over would not see anything.

I don't see why such a base may not be possible. Just wondered what the thoughts were on Ed Fouche..
Hes another one that I see being disbelieved, but he certainly makes an effort to show his background credentials.... As I understand it..he claimed that he was in hiding for the last 10 yrs after threats to his life for exposing the craft...

I have heard many stories of the flying triangle being witnessed..so I suspect there is likely some truths to his story.


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reply posted on 4-3-2012 @ 01:26 AM by zorgon
Originally posted by bknapple32
So we're clear, foster and gariac are dis info agents? Im one too? Or just one of us?


You are? Three Musketeers? All for one and one for all?



More Johnny-come-latelies But man look at these old ladies go!!! No Fear!!!



Found this weird website too... only a picture of the sign at night and nothing but Bob bashing Odd that

www.topsecretbases.com...


reply posted on 4-3-2012 @ 10:58 PM by gariac
reply to post by zorgon



How can anyone take comments seriously that Groom Lake was moved to anywhere when there is documentable proof that Groom Lake is expanding, and at the same time NOBODY has delivered a sliver of proof that former Groom Lake projects are at Dugway, Tooele, East BumF***, etc. When will this BS stop?

You have evidence of projects from Groom moved to Tooele? Let's see that evidence. If you have none, feel free to retract the statement.


reply posted on 4-3-2012 @ 11:25 PM by gariac
reply to post by zorgon



While we are at it, since Area 51 has moved, please removed all the photos you stole from my website. Since Area 51 has moved, you obviously don't need to use my copyrighted material.



[img] www.thelivingmoon.com...[/img]




Note that Fair Use is a legal defense, not a right.


reply posted on 5-3-2012 @ 06:20 AM by zorgon
reply to post by gariac


Received email today from Gary at the LazyGRanch

From: g@lazygranch.com
Subject: Copyright Violations
Date: Nov 8, 2011 12:55am

Please remove all images stolen from www.lazygranch.com from www.thelivingmoon.com. Further, please instruct your forum users to stop uploading my images to image hosting companies. Go ahead and hotlink me. Better than having my stuff plastered all over the net, including that imagesbox.com website that is full of porn.

Gary Sellani


I had a few images on one of the sites webpages on Area 51 but they were linked and credited to LazyGRanch. I have removed them to comply with this request. But most of the material from LazyGRanch was simply linked directly to your site,

Linked as below



I am not aware of anything related to any porn, nor do I use any image service other than my own server, there are no advertisements of any kind on my website. I see the ones you just pointed out were in an old archive page I missed before. Removed I will double check tomorrow in case I missed one.



From: g@lazygranch.com
Date: 11/8/2011 1:24 PM

These days I have no trouble with hotlinks since I have no bandwidth charges, but I found a pile of my images on imagesbox.com that linked back to thelivingmoon.com. I got imagesbox.com to delete anything they had from my website. I think your forum users are doing the image transfer.

Forums tend to be the problem. Dreamlandresort.com has links to my website blocked, so those forum users are constantly uploading my images to photo sharing websites. This makes a lot of work for me. Anyway, a notice on whatever forums you run about not uploading my images would be helpful.


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reply posted on 5-3-2012 @ 07:06 AM by Pimander
Originally posted by gariac
reply to
post by zorgon



How can anyone take comments seriously that Groom Lake was moved to anywhere when there is documentable proof that Groom Lake is expanding, and at the same time NOBODY has delivered a sliver of proof that former Groom Lake projects are at Dugway, Tooele, East BumF***, etc. When will this BS stop?

You have evidence of projects from Groom moved to Tooele? Let's see that evidence. If you have none, feel free to retract the statement.
When will you learn what covert/secret/classified actually means? When will the BS stop? AFOSI will be pleased.

A classic deception technique is to ask for documentary evidence that is classified and not available.

As usual, the outright lie about what the person debating with you said has been thrown in. Zorgon did NOT CLAIM that A51 had moved. Shall we observe some rules of debate or just deceive here? We don't make false claims about the other persons statements to deflect debate on ATS without losing face. OK members?

If your copyrighted material is not used for commercial reasons, it is most unusual to be so concerned about where it appears.

For the record, apart from any writing for which I may receive a fee and has not been posted on the web, any website is free to use material I release providing they do not doctor it and credit me appropriately. That's what the internet is for and what the Pegasus/Living Moon site try to do with any copyrighted material posted.


reply posted on 5-3-2012 @ 09:53 AM by Imtor
reply to post by gariac



Have you tried using common sense? It helps sometimes. Due to the spot becoming very hot for tourists liek yourself, the place is exanding but hardly anyone would bother to put their mosr secret things there when there are cameras of fanboys all over the place. But of course, for you airplanes and stealth is enough to watch.


reply posted on 5-3-2012 @ 12:17 PM by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by Imtor
reply to
post by gariac



Have you tried using common sense? It helps sometimes. Due to the spot becoming very hot for tourists liek yourself, the place is exanding but hardly anyone would bother to put their mosr secret things there when there are cameras of fanboys all over the place. But of course, for you airplanes and stealth is enough to watch.


I am not convinced that S-4 at papapose dry lake bed or even the entire area 51 site has become devoid of ufo/alien activity. In fact area 51 has been growing rather than shrinking which means small tranfers within area 51 are likely.

But still they could probably cloak anything they wanted to, not from the russians but from humanity in general. You know like cloaked battlecruisers dropping from the heavens in orb like shapes, almost like falling stars(meteorities). Far fetched yes, but not more than star trek or battlestar gallactica.

The philadelphia experiment which is officially denied proved secret society controls government just like the alchemists of the middle ages. The bankers finance these projects and that is why america has a $15 trillion defecit that keeps growing and growing. Special clearance, need-to-know and compartmentalisation make sure research is controlled.
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