posted on Feb, 4 2012 @ 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Pimander
I'd absolutely love to hear any of you two explain to the members of ATS why visiting the desert near to Groom Lake in 2012 is going to throw light
(pun not intended) on what was happening there in 1989. Could you please enlighten us? We are discussing events 23 years ago. How is
snooping around the range relevant today?
If this was directed at me, then I only wonder at the location of a possible light source visually detectable, at or near the location Lear/Lazar
claims they saw the "saucer tests", due to high-intensity lights from Creech/Indian Springs. Neither Area 51 or Creech has moved in 23 years, so it is
EDITED TO ADD: Furthermore, whose to say they aren't still testing now what they were back then? Or are you not only qualified to say what they were
testing then, with if or when they moved the program somewhere else.
Here is a question for you to duck. If you aren't trying to deceive members into thinking you know more than
you do, answer it. Or are you concerned members might think that you are irrelevant to this debate or trying to deceive them?
If this was directed at me - how are YOU relevant to this debate? Other than the myriad folk legend surrounding Lazar, and your knowledge of it. I am
familiar with the legend as well, though not as well versed as some as I had written it off entirely as BS long ago. I have been researching all
things Area 51 since listening to Art Bell back in the early to mid 90's. I CAN say that I have been to the range 10+ times, camped out there,
travelled the same trails that Lazar and Lear did on their "saucer test" sightings way back when. At the least, I can say I was there, I know the
terrain and layout, I know how crystal clear the night sky is there due to lack of light pollution, how bright the lights from Vegas are in the night
sky from 80+ miles away, you would swear it is over the next hill.
re: element115 - Here are some snips from an ATS thread from 2007; John Lear speaking about "Element 115". I am sure that this lunacy will be written
off as Lear being "short a few fries". I haven't researched it completely as yet, but I am pretty sure this WAS the Lazar party line, in all its
I am one of 3 persons who knows where one of the arrowhead shaped 233 gram pieces of Element 115 is, or at least was. I was not with Bob when he
hid it but he told me who the other person was that knew it and drew me a map. There was no discussion as to when, if ever, it would be
retrieved. I will take no part in any attempt to retrieve it nor will I discuss where it is. I have no idea whether the Element 115 is still
where I was told it was. It would not be easy to check. I drive by the site occasionally but I cannot get to exactly where it is. There are many
considerations why I say I will take no part in its retrieval.
Number 1, it would serve no use to anyone outside of the government.
Number 2, in the wrong hands it would be highly, highly dangerous.
Number 3, I find it highly unlikely that no matter what precautions were taken it would never be proved what it is.
Number 4, there are an infinite number of reasons why, even if certified by an independent lab, that most would reject that certification.
And number 5, and most important of all, regardless of what you personally believe, I have told the story exactly as I remember it happening. I have
stated many times that I have no proof. It doesn't make any difference to me whether or not you believe the story. It happened exactly the way I said
I have answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. I know what Bob’s desires are on the subject and mine reflect his. I have stated at
least 4 times, 2 on the Art Bell show and 2 on ATS that I will not comment on the location of the piece of 115 that was not taken back by the
Bob obtained 3 "arrowheads" about 2 inches long machined at LANL. Bob, Joe Vanniniti and I did the 'dry ice'/coleman lantern pintle experiment which
was videotaped. Bob kept them in round lead containers about one inch thick. 2 were stolen back by the government.
Yes, that is correct Lexion. But our piece of Element 115 came from outer space and was given to our government by aliens. They gave us 500 pounds of
it. We (the U.S. Gov) had to machine it into the shape that we made the experiment with, the arrow-head shape. It was machined at Los Alamos National
Laboratories which is where we got it from.
19 years ago we had 500 pounds that the aliens gave us. We were unable to use it for gravity shielding because the technology, although we understood
it, was just too far ahead of us. So they made a bomb out of some of it. The estimated power of that bomb was to be able to blow up half a continent
the size of South America. I doubt if they ever used the bomb but they had it.
If he did I don't remember it. He may have and it flew right over my head. There were so many things going on at the time. It was several months after
Bob refused to go back to S-4. George Knapp was airing the Lazar special. The 115 had been taken from Los Alamos National Labs were it had been
machined. Somebody borrowed three of the machined pieces and gave them to Bob.
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