It might be the Beech 1900 that Northrop Grumman uses to shuttle people to and from AF Plant 42. That could be the first significant clue as to who is
using the new hangar.
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Topic started on 1-1-2012 @ 04:16 PM by gariac
I noticed Google Earth has imagery dated 5/24/2010. I don't recall seeing this before, even though it is older than some of the other imagery of the
base. What is interesting is this imagery shows the western side of the new hangar. It also shows a Beech 1900 parked near the hangar, something I'm
sure I wouldn't have missed.
You will need to turn off the 3D model feature to see this side of the hangar. That is, the model obscures the detail. I'm reasonably sure this imagery is new because the 3D model is wrong on that side of the hangar. I sure whomever does the model wouldn't have missed this.
If you don't want to fire up Google Earth, I archived the image here:
Regarding the Beech aircraft, I verified this by putting an outline of the Beech 1900 over the image. Actually there were two Beech aircraft on the base that day. The one near the new hangar is on the right.
You will need to turn off the 3D model feature to see this side of the hangar. That is, the model obscures the detail. I'm reasonably sure this imagery is new because the 3D model is wrong on that side of the hangar. I sure whomever does the model wouldn't have missed this.
If you don't want to fire up Google Earth, I archived the image here:
Regarding the Beech aircraft, I verified this by putting an outline of the Beech 1900 over the image. Actually there were two Beech aircraft on the base that day. The one near the new hangar is on the right.
edit on 1-1-2012 by gariac because: link issue
reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 02:52 AM by gariac
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They can only be internet tracked on IFR and these contractors tend to play games when flying to Groom Lake. They file IFR to a nearby airport, then switch to VFR to land at Groom. Perfectly legal in the US, though there are altitude rules to obey to do the switch. [The airport doesn't even have to be all that nearby. Once N105TB, the Hanscom radar plane, flew to PMD IFR then went VFR to Vandenberg.]
I see N29NG did an IFR flight PMD to LAX and N27NG did PMD to MYF, both on 8/2/2011. Now N29NG and N27NG are used nearly every weekday from what I can see based on transponder code logs. Thus both fly most of the time untracked.
Regarding the planes being near Groom Lake, N29NG was spotted in Vegas on 9/8/2009, 9/1/2009, and 8/31/2009. I can't go back any further. I have no records of N27NG being to Vegas. [FYI, both planes have been to Burbank on occasion. N29NG has been to the San Francisco Bay Area a few times.] N29NG does more of the non-routine flights than N27NG.
So N29NG is a possibility, but no smoking gun based on what tracking data I could find.
You may recall that the Beech Janet that crashed near the TTR was ferrying JT3 employees from Groom Lake at the time. So we know the Beech Janets are not used exclusively by Groom "regulars". [There is no evidence either way regarding the 737 flights, but I would guess they are strictly for base "regulars" and not contractors.]
They can only be internet tracked on IFR and these contractors tend to play games when flying to Groom Lake. They file IFR to a nearby airport, then switch to VFR to land at Groom. Perfectly legal in the US, though there are altitude rules to obey to do the switch. [The airport doesn't even have to be all that nearby. Once N105TB, the Hanscom radar plane, flew to PMD IFR then went VFR to Vandenberg.]
I see N29NG did an IFR flight PMD to LAX and N27NG did PMD to MYF, both on 8/2/2011. Now N29NG and N27NG are used nearly every weekday from what I can see based on transponder code logs. Thus both fly most of the time untracked.
Regarding the planes being near Groom Lake, N29NG was spotted in Vegas on 9/8/2009, 9/1/2009, and 8/31/2009. I can't go back any further. I have no records of N27NG being to Vegas. [FYI, both planes have been to Burbank on occasion. N29NG has been to the San Francisco Bay Area a few times.] N29NG does more of the non-routine flights than N27NG.
So N29NG is a possibility, but no smoking gun based on what tracking data I could find.
You may recall that the Beech Janet that crashed near the TTR was ferrying JT3 employees from Groom Lake at the time. So we know the Beech Janets are not used exclusively by Groom "regulars". [There is no evidence either way regarding the 737 flights, but I would guess they are strictly for base "regulars" and not contractors.]
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