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reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 04:17 PM by Praetorius
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I doubt it, because Paul DOES support an independent investigation to figure out exactly who all's at fault for the negligence and intelligence failures (likely as well as the failures of pretty much EVERY other in-place process that should stopped various tragic events of that day), and probably including the various deception and cover-ups that occurred during the 9/11 Commission's investigation (leading, what, 6 of the 10 commissioners to decry their own results?) involved with indirectly allowing the 9/11 attacks to occur.



reply posted on 1-1-2012 @ 04:35 PM by ColCurious
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I guess he is right about that.

Hard enough to dodge those magic bullets one at a time...
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reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 11:15 AM by comprehension
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Ron Paul is just as much a player as Obama, and will certainly betray his followers just as quickly.

Using corrupt tools provided by a corrupt system to select a corrupt leader will change nothing.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 12:15 PM by dillweed
Originally posted by comprehension
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Ron Paul is just as much a player as Obama, and will certainly betray his followers just as quickly.

Using corrupt tools provided by a corrupt system to select a corrupt leader will change nothing.
That's absurd. There is no comparison between RP and Obama. None. In fact I challenge you to show me one example of similar political positions. Obama, and every other republican candidate other than RP are cut from the same cloth. Corrupt, war mongering cloth. Doesn't it tell you something that every single news outlet, be it radio or tv is actively denigrating Paul? Yeah, the system is corrupt, but RP is as far removed from the 'mainstream' as one can be. Hating Paul because he's 'like all the rest' is dead wrong.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 12:58 PM by comprehension
Originally posted by dillweed
Originally posted by comprehension
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Ron Paul is just as much a player as Obama, and will certainly betray his followers just as quickly.

Using corrupt tools provided by a corrupt system to select a corrupt leader will change nothing.
That's absurd. There is no comparison between RP and Obama. None. In fact I challenge you to show me one example of similar political positions. Obama, and every other republican candidate other than RP are cut from the same cloth. Corrupt, war mongering cloth. Doesn't it tell you something that every single news outlet, be it radio or tv is actively denigrating Paul? Yeah, the system is corrupt, but RP is as far removed from the 'mainstream' as one can be. Hating Paul because he's 'like all the rest' is dead wrong.


I don't "hate" Paul. I couldn't care less about him or his positions.

I repeat, you will not get anywhere by using the corrupt tools of a corrupt system to select a "leader". The system works the way it is designed, and after more than 3 decades of hoping "this time's the charm" I had to admit I was simply working against my best interests. No matter what figurehead is "elected", the policies never change.

If you want proof, go ahead and elect Paul. He'll betray you immediately, the system that put him there guarantees it. If he wasn't already committed to betraying you, he wouldn't even be a contender.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 02:16 PM by comprehension
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If I read you correctly, you want a revolution, because if we don't elect RP then that's the only thing that will bring about change in the way this country works.


What would Thomas Jefferson do?

Yes, a revolution of awareness is in order. If everyone simply stopped voting, the criminal class wouldn't be able to hide behind your blessing. Stop condoning your slavery by participating in your master's selection process.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 02:51 PM by Son of Will
Originally posted by comprehension
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If I read you correctly, you want a revolution, because if we don't elect RP then that's the only thing that will bring about change in the way this country works.


What would Thomas Jefferson do?

Yes, a revolution of awareness is in order. If everyone simply stopped voting, the criminal class wouldn't be able to hide behind your blessing. Stop condoning your slavery by participating in your master's selection process.



Getting people to stop voting is a horrible idea. There would always be some staunch core that like the way things are going, and you'd just be giving them a large proportion of voting power.

And there is no comparison to be made between today's America and 1776 America. The British didn't have 1/10 the control over the colonists that our current borderline police state enjoys. On top of that, we're over-pampered, over-indulged, over-entertained to the point that almost nobody would be willing to use violence. And on top of THAT, corporate media have a propaganda-perfected method of exerting heavy influence on our delicate perceptions.

You are right that the current system is far more powerful than any one man, even president. And a few good men in Congress, amidst hundreds of rotten apples, can do even less. Because of this, I considered his presidential campaign doomed. I figured that even if he were elected, he'd probably be shot by sundown. A man like Ron Paul will never sell out, that seems quite obvious considering his 35-year track record.

BUT! I came to realize that the only way real change ever occurs in this world, anywhere, anytime - is when the lower strata of society - i.e. the lower and middle class - rise up and demand it. This requires two things primarily - increased education, awareness, and critical thinking; and creating a common goal, a collective vision of some better place on the horizon that can be shared and embraced by everybody.

For the first time in almost a century, we have (feels spooky to type this) an Honest Politician taking center stage in front of the whole nation. He's showing us a vision of a more enlightened America, at a time when all hope seems to be lost. And while he may not be able to exert much power as President, he is lighting fires in people's minds with the knowledge that things don't have to be the way they are. And when enough people awaken to this simple truth, then this long-sought-after, mythical "change", will happen all by itself, effortlessly.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 03:02 PM by comprehension
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I couldn't disagree more.

I am not condoning a violent revolution at all, in fact I am pretty sure the powers that be would welcome it and are actively goading us in that direction.

The only way this revolution has any chance of succeeding is through no violence whatsoever.

Non-violent non-participation is the only choice we have, otherwise it's "meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".

Voting is like praying...you're copping out. The only way to make change is to stop participating in the crimes and pay as little into the machine as possible; that means voluntary austerity. The definition of prosperity must change.


reply posted on 2-1-2012 @ 03:24 PM by hooper
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What would Thomas Jefferson do?

Laugh at you.
Yes, a revolution of awareness is in order.

Or maybe some basic awareness to begin with.
If everyone simply stopped voting, the criminal class wouldn't be able to hide behind your blessing.

That sounds like a great idea!! Why don't you start and we'll all be right behind. Really.
Stop condoning your slavery by participating in your master's selection process.

You really have no clue what actual slavery is like, do you? Read a little history and maybe you won't throw that word around so easily.
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