chemtrails over Florida 01-01-2012

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Do you think it could be that simple?




posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by onecraftydude

Originally posted by mileysubet

Originally posted by onecraftydude
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i am just presenting visible proof of SOMETHING that does not belong in our sky made by the airplanes that transit it.


Contrails consist primarily of water in the form of ice crystals, and of course the exhaust from the air planes engines. Nothing sinister really.


There it is. Crystallized water. So what makes the water crystals persist for hours or days? Normal crystallized water will evaporate in the sun and fall out of the sky in colder weather.

This is not normal crystallized water vapor sir.


The same atmospheric properties that make other clouds persist, cause persistent contrails as well. After all contrails are simply a smaller man made cloud.


So clouds are made up of crystallized water? And all this time I was under the impression it was water varpor.

This should be an interesting read for you if you need to learn about our atmosphere:


The water we drink is water in its liquid state. When we crunch an ice cube, our teeth know that the water is solid. These two forms of water are easy to see. But water can also exist as a gas in the air, here the water occurs as free water molecules. We call these free molecules water vapour or moisture.

When liquid water is converted into water vapour, the process is called evaporation. This is what happens when you use a hair drier to dry your hair. The water doesn't simply disappear, it's still in the room but now in the air. Due to the high temperature of the hair drier, the liquid water has changed to water vapour, it has evaporated!



Condensation is the opposite process where water vapour changes to liquid water. After having a bath, the bathroom is filled with steam, or water vapour. The warm steam condenses onto the cold bathroom mirror, returning the water to it's liquid state and forming water droplets on the mirror.
evaporation-condensation processes

1. Condensation and evaporation. Author: J. Gourdeau.

Although many clouds look very solid, you could never walk on one. Clouds are only water in the air! Clouds form when water vapour turns into liquid water droplets or into solid ice crystals which are light enough to float in the air. The temperature at which water vapour condenses into visible water droplets is the saturation point. So the saturation point is the moment when condensation occurs or when dew forms. Cloud formation doesn't just involve cooling, however. In order to form clouds, water vapour needs to condense onto tiny particles in the air. These tiny particles are known as cloud condensation nuclei and we will look at how these particles help cloud formation in Unit 2.




cloud

2. Source: C. Gourbeyre.

In some clouds the tiny water droplets collide and form larger water droplets. As the droplets become bigger and bigger (their volume increases about a million times during this collision process) they become too heavy for the air to support them and they fall as precipitation. Precipitation is the proper term for water which falls out of clouds, it can be rain, or snow, or hail.




Clouds which occur in air which is below 0°C are made of ice crystals. These ice crystals form near droplets of super-cooled water (water that remains as liquid even when the temperature is below 0°C) and increase in size when water vapour from cloud droplets is deposited on the ice crystals. As the ice crystals fall, they can collide and this makes the ice crystals heavier. When the ice crystals are too heavy to float in the air, they fall to the ground. The crystals become snow or melt and become rain if the air below the cloud is more than 0°C.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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Here is a link that you should enjoy learning all about contrails and the all unscientifically proven chemtrails..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy the read you may actually learn something new....



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
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Here is a link that you should enjoy learning all about contrails and the all unscientifically proven chemtrails..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy the read you may actually learn something new....


Maybe you could link this thread to that one. i will read more later.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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I'm SO glad I grew past discussions with non-believers of some kind of Geo Engieering crap taking place.

Carry on dooodes. I watch with unabaited breath while you try and convince people your knowledge of science is far superior then what we watch in the skis in front of our eyes.

It truly is amazing you can say something long enough until people believe they don't understand what they see.

Thumbs up to the non believers. You guys are consistant and relentless. Hats off to ya.

Doesn't change my mind or opinion. As you won't change yours.

Cheers!



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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There are threads 3 years old asking the simple question "What is in the contrails and why do they exist?"

How long will we be silent?

Knowing is one thing, doing is entirely another subject. If the majority agree there is a problem they should be entertained by those in positions to influence change.

The current mantra is to claim stupidity and not look up.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Good point. When do we challenge authority for a real gain?

How? In letters to our Congressman? Or Anonymous?
The fact that Geo engineering exists is a moot point for me.

Who,What, and Why is the bigger question. Always has been. Not do they exist.

That's just weak.
I'm not interested in disputing the occurance in the skies. I know and understand what I've seen in the skies for 50+ years. New stuff being let out of planes. Period.

In My Opinion,. And that's all it is. An opinion.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The reason you're seeing more persistent contrails over FL atm is because it's gotten friggen cold down here over the past week.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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You see that is the problem that chemtrailers have, and that is any knowledge of the weather and when you see more persistant contrails and we know that when the weather get's colder or bad weather I should say . Funny how science can prove contrails yet has not been able to prove chemtrails.


A little off topic, but how is Brandon nowadays,I grew up in Riverview and do miss the area.Now east of Atlanta and would rather be back in the sunshine state any day.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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If you want to know why you're seeing more persistent contrails, its due to the change by the airlines in the 90's to go to High-Bypass Jet Engines after they replaced their old JT8D Low-Bypass Engines that were used on 727's, 737-1/200's, 707's, etc. When they started retiring 727's, the most common aircraft in the skies at the beginning of the 1990's, due to the age of their airframes, with more effective aircraft types using High-Bypass Engines, the range of conditions that allowed the formation of persistent contrails also increased.



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Cool, sent you a U2U.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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I say a bill should be passed that limits the time a contrail can exist. If a plane leaves a contrail that can be seen for more than a minute after the plane has passed the start point that plane should be grounded until the problem is fixed.


Quite possibly the most uneducated statement I have read here for a long time.

That "problem" you refer to is the weather.....if atmospheric conditions are conducive......then a contrail will persist for a long time, if they are not, then it will dissipate quite quickly.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The reason you're seeing more persistent contrails over FL atm is because it's gotten friggen cold down here over the past week.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


The seasonal theory on persistent contrails has never made much sense. They are seen equally as much in the summer. I don't know why people say there is an increase in the winter when I see them at the same rate all year long.

That theory definitely does not debunk chemtrails. I'm not saying there is official proof for chemtrails, but there is absolutely no way whatsoever that the "it's colder out, so you will see more of them" theory holds any water.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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The seasonal theory on persistent contrails has never made much sense. They are seen equally as much in the summer. I don't know why people say there is an increase in the winter when I see them at the same rate all year long.


It's all to do with altitude, even in summer, when surface temps can be high, it's still possible for a cold front to move in and affect temps/humidity several miles above the surface.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Argyll
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The seasonal theory on persistent contrails has never made much sense. They are seen equally as much in the summer. I don't know why people say there is an increase in the winter when I see them at the same rate all year long.


It's all to do with altitude, even in summer, when surface temps can be high, it's still possible for a cold front to move in and affect temps/humidity several miles above the surface.


My point is that if most people who monitor this phenomena, they see the same amount of trails year round, so it is my understanding if we use the theory you've presented, then the atmospheric conditions are exactly the same all year long.

So which one is it?

Do the atmospheric conditions where these trails occur change, or do they not change?

Because in order for there to be an absence in trails, there would need to be a change in conditions.

Since there never seems to be an absence in trails, therefore the conditions must always be the same, which I know is not true.
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Do the atmospheric conditions where these trails occur change, or do they not change? Because in order for there to be an absence in trails, there would need to be a change in conditions. Since there never seems to be an absence in trails, therefore the conditions must always be the same, which I know is not true.


Of course they change.

Where is there "never an absence of trails"?......which location?

There will always be persistent contrails somewhere on Earth.....but not in the same place, not continuously.....that doesn't happen.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Here in Florida we see them more when it gets colder out. It has also been shown here on ATS that the number of “they're spraying chemtrails over my house” threads is seasonal, there is a thread here about it somewhere. Certain times of the year the weather is more conducive to chemtrail formation, because the appropriate atmospheric conditions are more prevalent. That's not to say that at any time of the year the proper conditions may exist in the upper atmosphere.

If you didn't watch my video above, then you should. The ultimate answer to this issue is contained in that video, its the High-bypass engines.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Here, it must be related to atmospheric conditions as they can now forecast where they will form at.
Go here:
NASA Contrail Forecast
Put the date and time to start at, 24 frames, then run it. You'll see FL has had proper conditions for contrail formation over the last 24 hours, starting at 16:00 UTC.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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You've been here longer than I have, but on several threads it's been pointed out that there is no increase in trails during the winter. The concensus is that this is a "debunker" myth. I'm not calling you a debunker, your posts are always good from what I've seen.

In fact, from what I've seen, there are far more "chemtrail over my house" threads during the spring and summer. I will make sure to watch that video so I can intake the info u mentioned.

Peace



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Argyll
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I say a bill should be passed that limits the time a contrail can exist. If a plane leaves a contrail that can be seen for more than a minute after the plane has passed the start point that plane should be grounded until the problem is fixed.


Quite possibly the most uneducated statement I have read here for a long time.


And what education should I possess in order to understand your theory?

Since you apparently have that "EDUCATION" why don't you explain what I showed in the video? There are multiple airplanes. The big whitish ones leave trails that turn into hazy skies and the others don't.

Let's stick to explanations not bullying and intimidation to prove our point sir. I presented a video as evidence of my claims, maybe you could do the same rather than imply that I am an uneducated fool for calling a spade a spade.
That "problem" you refer to is the weather.....if atmospheric conditions are conducive......then a contrail will persist for a long time, if they are not, then it will dissipate quite quickly.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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And what education should I possess in order to understand your theory?


A basic knowledge of meteorology, and that planes fly at different altitudes..... that's all.





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