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California law turns up heat on labor conditions

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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Say Again !

How can a law, especially a STATE law possibly expect retailers and others to know for sure let alone prove that some other place is not using unethical labor practices ?????

All somebody has to do is offer a "service" to convince a retailer that a supplier is "genuine".

No way in hell can the retailer possibly verify any report.

Especially in China for example !!!

Is that dress store owner in your neighborhood supposed to go to China and make sure


The U.S. Government has trade treaties in place.

So WHO exactly is responsible ???


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – A new California law will force retailers and manufacturers to disclose from 2012 how they guard against slavery and human trafficking throughout their supply chains, ratcheting up scrutiny over some of the largest U.S. corporations.

From January 1, about 3,200 major companies doing business or based in California, a list that includes Apple Inc and Gap Inc, will be required to disclose steps they take, if any, to ensure their suppliers and partners do not use forced labor.

Companies risk getting sued by the state attorney general if they flout that law. But experts say the real pressure will come from the court of public opinion: consumers who care about ethical working conditions and take an interest in how their favorite brands get made.


What law?


The U.S. Department of Labor says children and forced laborers produce 130 kinds of goods in 71 countries, numbers that have likely increased during the economic crisis.

Over 12 million people are victims of forced labor, according to the International Labor Organization.



WELL U.S. government, how about recalling all the manufacturing back home then?




posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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Could this be an attempt by California to bring jobs back to their home State ?

Does Califioria even have the authority to do this ?

Is anyone familiar with trade laws ?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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I say that they should bring all the jobs they have over sea's back to america, so we the people can have jobs. If not then they are just greedy bastards that want our money, I think that it should be a law in every state.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by sparky8580
I say that they should bring all the jobs they have over sea's back to america, so we the people can have jobs. If not then they are just greedy bastards that want our money, I think that it should be a law in every state.


I certainly agree.

I wonder if the Justice Dept in Washington D.C. will challenge this law ?
(Error-iky Holder & Co., inc.)


After all, it seems to go against U.S. mainstream policy.

Does anyone know what this law's name is or number ?

Maybe we should read the damn thing.


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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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perhaps looks no further than 'Free Trade Agreements' signed by the U.S Government, and outsourcing.

Both are the modern form of SLAVERY.

Instead of dragging children and people from their homeland to work as slaves as done in the past,
these now just send the work to the slave.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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[color=cyan]***

Very Very True !

Well said


They figured out it's cheaper that way !!



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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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"How can a law, especially a STATE law possibly expect retailers and others to know for sure let alone prove that some other place is not using unethical labor practices ?????"

I am guessing you have never bothered to read the Constitution of the USA? States have more political power than the Federal Government has, this is why you see marijuana dispensaries in California while it is still against Federal Law. You have been brain washed into thinking the Fed rules everything and everyone and you, like most people bought it. Has it never occurred to you why the Federal Government threatens to withhold "welfare" to any state unless they follow Federal guidelines for such things as teaching, laws, drug enforcement etc? Look it up and see how many times the Fed has threatened to withhold such things as Federal road funds, teaching funds and Law Enforcement funds. The Federal Government extorts States and local law enforcement to follow their guidelines or they with hold money from them. If you or I did this we would be prosecuted for extortion.

"No way in hell can the retailer possibly verify any report."

Are you over 18? If you are then you know by now that ignorance of any law is no excuse and if caught you are prosecuted.This is essentially a pseudo tax as law enforcement has made it impossible for you to know ever single law on the books you may be breaking.


"Is that dress store owner in your neighborhood supposed to go to China and make sure"

Again, it is your responsibility to know the law, not the store. Let me give you an example, and you can verify this through google. You go into a store and but a Louis Vuitton hand bag for your girlfriend, you walk out into the street after buying it and a cop stops you and identifies the bag as being counterfeit. Guess who get prosecuted? YOU, not the store owner, not the company that made it. You see, corporations have bought politicians so instead of the company having to go after another company, in another country, that made the fake hand bag, they fine you. This way the bag gets taken off the street AND cops make money too.( This is probably where you think law enforcement is not a big business any different than Exxon or Sears but you are wrong)

The U.S. Government has trade treaties in place.

They sure do. Did you think for a second they were to benefit you? OH MY BAD you did, you never thought it had anything to do with political kickbacks that paid the politician did you, guess what? That's what every trade treaties is about that's why you can't go to Mexico and buy anything for 1/8 the price you pay in the US for it without having to pay taxes that make it cost more when you are done, otherwise this is where tax evasion comes in.

"So WHO exactly is responsible ???

Read what I just told you above, then go look it up, maybe then you will finally understand that there is NO LAW made in the United States that is to protect you, they are all made to punish the people.............ummm for the people.

And guess what? I bet you will still go out and vote for a Democrat or Republican even after you realize they are out to f you over as much as they can and you will still be proud of the party you voted for. Well maybe not you, but this is how stupid most Americans are.
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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I am guessing you have never bothered to read the Constitution of the USA? States have more political power than the Federal Government has



Actually, great points here.

But how do we explain why the U.S. Govt is challenging and in some cases, suppressing State law that they claim are not within a State's authority ?

And of course you are correct, I have not read the whole U.S. Constitution.

I rely on news articles like this to enlighten me.





You have been brain washed into thinking the Fed rules everything and everyone and you, like most people bought it. Has it never occurred to you why the Federal Government threatens to withhold "welfare" to any state unless they follow Federal guidelines for such things as teaching, laws, drug enforcement etc? Look it up and see how many times the Fed has threatened to withhold such things as Federal road funds, teaching funds and Law Enforcement funds. The Federal Government extorts States and local law enforcement to follow their guidelines or they with hold money from them. If you or I did this we would be prosecuted for extortion.


I agree (even with the brainwashed part) !

But the Fed govt is giving the appearance that they Do rule.

Are you suggesting "Federal tyranny" exists ?

(time out .... continue ....)





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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:34 AM
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"No way in hell can the retailer possibly verify any report."

Are you over 18? If you are then you know by now that ignorance of any law is no excuse and if caught you are prosecuted.This is essentially a pseudo tax as law enforcement has made it impossible for you to know ever single law on the books you may be breaking.


"Is that dress store owner in your neighborhood supposed to go to China and make sure"

Again, it is your responsibility to know the law, not the store. Let me give you an example, and you can verify this through google. You go into a store and but a Louis Vuitton hand bag for your girlfriend, you walk out into the street after buying it and a cop stops you and identifies the bag as being counterfeit. Guess who get prosecuted? YOU do, not the store owner, not the company that made it. You see, corporations have bought politicians so instead of the company having to go after another company, in another country, that made the fake hand bag, they fine you. This way the bag gets taken off the street AND cops make money too.( This is probably where you think law enforcement is not a big business any different than Exxon or Sears but you are wrong)


Again, good point.

But how does the average citizen identify the genuine article from the counterfeit ?

Labels can also be forged and faked.

Even the ones that say "made with slave labor"


I understand your drift....

It's all a money game by the highest power who can enforce their "power".

and yes, I am well over 18.

""This is essentially a pseudo tax "" .... yes it is.

We need to enlighten the masses.

As somebody once said:

"It's easy to talk to an intellectual audience. It's hard to talk to regular people using intellect."



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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It not only exists but they are using your own tax money to extort the States to then penalize you more, which brings in more pseudo tax money ( fines) that they in turn use to extort the States even more to penalize you even more. Don't think so? Guess what the "law" disorderly conduct was invented for? There is a law on the books for everything but if you get caught doing something that's not specified in the book, they fine you with this for the pseudo tax money. For example, you are loitering on the street, a cop comes buy and tells you to move, you do, but you tell the cop he should be out arresting real criminals. Guess what? That cop can't get you for loitering, can't get you for trespassing, but because you spoke your mind and there is no real law on the books he can prosecute you with because you are right you get written up for disorderly conduct. Police have one job in this country and one job only, it is not to protect you, that comes as a by product of what they do, it is not to serve you, the only job police have is to make money through pseudo taxes for the local, state and federal government. Period.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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The U.S. Government has trade treaties in place.

They sure do. Did you think for a second they were to benefit you? OH MY BAD you did, you never thought it had anything to do with political kickbacks that paid the politician did you, guess what? That's what every trade treaties is about that's why you can't go to Mexico and buy anything for 1/8 the price you pay in the US for it without having to pay taxes that make it cost more when you are done, otherwise this is where tax evasion comes in.

"So WHO exactly is responsible ???

Read what I just told you above, then go look it up, maybe then you will finally understand that there is NO LAW made in the United States that is to protect you, they are all made to punish the people.............ummm for the people.

And guess what? I bet you will still go out and vote for a Democrat or Republican even after you realize they are out to f you over as much as they can and you will still be proud of the party you voted for. Well maybe not you, but this is how stupid most Americans are.



I can't argue.


""They sure do. Did you think for a second they were to benefit you? OH MY BAD you did""

Actually, I never did think that !

You are assuming, and rightfully so with most people.

Did YOU ever think that most citizens assume too ?

Maybe they actually believe that their elected and appointed officials are acting in the best interests of the majority of citizens.

and, I guess I shouldn't vote this year.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Good example.

Is that why we are actually under Admiralty law ?

You know,

The U.S. Flag with the cute yellow fringe.

I almost forgot:

[color=cyan]** for your posts !



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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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I am glad you don't think that, the last job in this world that a cop has to do is protect anyone but themselves.

I may be assuming but 95% of the time I am right in that assumption.

It's not that cops think they are elected, most of them are too stupid to realize they are being manipulated. Ever hear of a cop being to smart so they won't hire them? ( look it up) When you are vetted to be a cop there are two criteria you have to meet before they even consider training you, 1 is that you are not smart enough to figure out what is really going on and the second is you have to have to be a control freak. If you don't have those two qualities to begin with they wont even bother to train you. If you do you are then trained with an us against them mentality that exploits the control issue. Try calling a cop for help someday in any situation, they will either blame it on you, or if they can fine you for calling them for help.

As for voting, maybe you shouldn't vote if you don't think you should. I am right in what I said but there are other options out there, it's just that most Americans are lazy asses to bothered to read who might be a good candidate to vote for as apposed to just voting for a party, let alone being too lazy to pick up a pen and write in their own choice.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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And I guess it's time we think about who the joke is real on ?

Think about how much it costs the State citizens to have their legislatures pass a law.
(costs like staff salaries, legal and consulting fees, administrative fees, costs of buildings, etc.)


Then the same citizens get nailed again for the same at the Federal levels



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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More points well taken.

But I will yield to other members who may have some opinions about the police in general.

I'm sure we will hear from them soon !!



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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I agree lol. Its funny too me but it also turns my stomach. Any time I hear a new law being introduced " for the protection of the American people" my bulls..hit meter goes off, then I read the fine print and figure out who it really benefits. For example, with in the last few years they have made it essentially illegal to grow and sell vegetables UNLESS you pay for certifications, insurance and use an outlet oked by them " for the safety of the American people" but guess what? Look up all food poisoning issues in the last ten years and 99.9% of them occurred at Federally regulated facilities and in 90% of those cases the company was not fined even if a person died.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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BTW, good questions and good topic. I only hope more people become aware S&F



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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It's always "for your protection as well as ours"

But more for ours


so say the lawmakers.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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This is why I posted on the other thread about the child slavery and the article slamming Victoria's Secret for having a trade partner that used children in production. The country is communist no less. The only answer there is to not trade with communist countries, but the Bloomberg article blames American indudstry instead and blames the private farm. When I researched that particular thing, it turned out that even the private farms are under the domination of the Communist State. I am so tired of the socialists blaming Capitalism for these things. These Utopians think that if they legislate all these things they are going to make life better for everyone.
In the Revolutionary War, my ancestor fought at age 14 and so did many that age as they were more responsible and knew how to use a gun., and Socialists today would call that abuse if that same person worked a cotton field.
The Socialist Utopians are doing this because they know that these agrarian communities need the children to work as well and they know that it will cripple Capitalist private corporations. It's all timed right with the OWS protests demanding an end to Capitalism. All this is is world Socialism and world communism.
How bizarre that communism itself is and was always known for its brutal treatment of people including young children, the labor camps and gulags, and shipping people to Siberia in cattle cars, starvation, famines, etc.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by EndGovtCorruption
reply to post by xuenchen
 


I agree lol. Its funny too me but it also turns my stomach. Any time I hear a new law being introduced " for the protection of the American people" my bulls..hit meter goes off, then I read the fine print and figure out who it really benefits. For example, with in the last few years they have made it essentially illegal to grow and sell vegetables UNLESS you pay for certifications, insurance and use an outlet oked by them " for the safety of the American people" but guess what? Look up all food poisoning issues in the last ten years and 99.9% of them occurred at Federally regulated facilities and in 90% of those cases the company was not fined even if a person died.


Excellent point. I have posted on Codex Alimentarius which would force nations into harmonization with International Standards devised by the UN and WHO and the WTO dictating to the US what our policies will be, and our own federal bureaucracies would have to conform with these standards. I am guessing that Totalitarians within those federal entities would be happy to comply with the UN and give away our sovereignty.



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