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New Activity at Mt. Rainier Confirmed to Be Seismic (...or ICE?), Right here on ATS!

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Yeah, duck. Quack, even.

I was just trying to figure out if I could make out distinct P and S waves, by zooming way in on the waveforms in GEE, and I believe I can see them. I see what appear to be separate P and S waves for most quakes. And that puts a +1 in the seismic column for me as opposed to ice.

As to the frequency content discussion, maybe I am not being quite clear enough with the point I am attempting to make. The issue is not with filtering or attenuation. The issue was with the sound source creating 3-4 Hz. But apparently, as I posted before, they are saying ice can produce frequencies lower than quakes. So now my next question becomes this: Are the frequencies being produced in this series comparable to the center frequencies of other volcanic type quakes?

My own answer to that question if someone asked me, would be- from what I have seen of volcanic type quakes, the frequencies of these are a touch lower. But that might easily be explained by the sheer size of this beast. Mt. Rainier is huge. And therefore resonant frequencies are going to be inherently lower than a smaller volcano like St. Helens. And therefore the 3-4 Hz we see now as opposed to the 4-6 Hz centers we see at smaller volcanoes could be because of that.

That would be one argument towards seismic.

Another argument against ice is the time of year these are occurring. Ice quakes tend to happen more in the warmer months as melt creates a layer of water which then acts as a lubricator allowing the ice to move. And the ice does move. Of that there is no question.

Problem is, we've been in Winter for a couple weeks. And ice quakes can also happen in the winter, but those winter ice movements are usually more associated with larger bodies of water.

Unusual to see PM so adamant about it being quakes.
Kinda neat. Almost always it's never a quake, just an error or man made activity. So yeah, at this point though the pro experts may say otherwise, there are more indicators of seismicity than ice.

If Rainier blows up in their face all of a sudden, there is going to be hell to pay. Cause the warning signs were there. That was an excellent comparison btw wc, to the Helens webicorders. Scarily similar.

Ok, so maybe this thread ain't dead yet. Thanks PM, wc, and everyone, and a very personal Happy New Year to you all and Family.




posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Don't know if this has brought up yet, but it appears Mt.Rainier has been shut down. They say it because a park ranger was shot. coincidence?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Interresting, are you thinking about some coverop going on ?

From your SOURCE



The shooting occurred at the Longmire Ranger Station in the Barns Flat area, about 1 mile below Paradise.



...was stopped by Anderson, who was monitoring a road block...


So, there where road(s) block in the Barns Flat area BEFORE the shooting, why ?



News helicopters have been asked to not fly overhead.



Police asked helicopters to stay away from the area because the gunman was armed with a long rifle.


Hummmm...yes...ok...



The FBI and other agencies are assisting in the investigation...


Other AGENCIES ? Curious about what others AGENCIES.

According to the msm the FBI work with the Washington State Patrol and the sheriff's office. So which others 3 letters agencies are there ?


Mt. Rainier National Park is now closed and are asking everyone to stay away from the park as the situation is still ongoing. Anyone heading there will be turned away at the entrance ... how convenient ?

SOURCE

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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I didn't even read the whole thing before I posted it. roadblocks, eh? Little bit of the old "no-fly" going on, eh? Could be something's brewing. Or it could just be a random shooting. Sounds fishy.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Jeez, just saw this. Whoa. Talk about getting my conspiratorial juices flowing!

Rainier Disaster Planning Meeting:

"Boss, so what DO we do if all of a sudden we see tremor and quake swarms at Rainier? We just going to come right out and tell the public? You realize what kind of panic that would cause when the word got out Rainier was about to blow?"

"Yes, I know. We have discussed it many times and have reached the conclusion that the best option is to close the park immediately, for a seemingly totally unrelated incident. That will give us time to further assess the situation, monitor it more closely and see what she's going to do. Of course, that might kill us if she blows, but it's the risk we took when we signed up for this job, and as you know, we have that in writing on paper from all of you."

Ok, lol, sorry, was in a speculative mood...



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Yes, I am most definitely watching this closely. Of all the times I have been curious about activity up there, this is the closest I have gotten to concern. I have family with a place a couple of miles from it. It is a monster.

Those 'quakes' are getting bigger, I think. I t also appears that the 'background' noise has decreased as maybe the weather improved. Whatever the reason, it makes it even easier to see them. I have four stations up in GEE too and it makes it very easy to see the frequent ice quakes occuring at STAR, and the larger evnets that show up across all three. It seems to be creeping up above the 2.0 microns/sec at RCS.

As to the last post asking about the park being closed: I think it is a horrific tragedy. A ranger/wife/mother was shot and killed. While it is a coincidence, i believe that is all it is. (ETA: I have freinds/family in law enforcement and the shooting is real.)

For those unfamiliar with Mount Rainier and her sheer size, here are a couple of pictures I took this past year or so:

Mount Rainier as seen from the lookout....just a few miles from my relatives place:




So now to put it into perspective. This is a picture taken from I5 just South of Seattle. I took through the back window of my moving truck (I wasn't driving). Even though I have seen this image numerous times, every time I look at this picture it gives me chills. Imagine that beast erupting......:

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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"What I need is something so scary it'll clear three hundred square miles of every living Christian soul!"
- Close Encounters Of The Third Kind



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:09 PM
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For those that want to look, here is a site with a bunch of webcams. It seems to top is covered in mist.

live web cams of Mount Rainier

this is the shot of the summit
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A shot of all the law enforement up there

Hey TA and PM...am i getting paranoid, or does that look like steam?
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Definitely looks like the mountain is responsible for that 'cloud.' Can't say if it's steam or not, but has a very interesting shape. Also, you can see the confluence of government vehicles at what I suppose is the roadblock if you scroll down. Cool! The plot thickens...



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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kind of wierd that the space needle played that tune from the movie last night, could it be a sign?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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For those unable to view the cameras:




It's been forming some lenticular clouds....maybe from an updraft? I have noticed though that off to the right (not sure what direction that is) there has been a concentration of 'condensation' rising. Could just be the wind....but interesting.
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Wouldn't it somewhat easy to find this person with a helicopter and those heat sensors the LAPD use to find people?

After all, there is fresh snow on the ground and people can only travel so far by foot.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Me at Paradise point with the peak behind me. I live in Olympia and I think the coastal wind coming from the west and moving east through the state should keep me relatively safe? Probably would still get a lot of ash though? Hmmm?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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WOW. How could I have missed this report?

Back in October there was a cluster of quakes, a couple of decent sized ones right in the crater. It prompted me to startthis thread


I just did a search for quakes on Rainier, and besides THIS thread
, I found this news report from october. Listen to the whole thing...it could VERY well tie into what we are seeing right now.

NEWS REPORT FROM OCTOBER 2011



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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I am thinking cover up and a good way to get everyone away from the park.

www.foxnews.com...

And why did she set up a road block?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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From what I have read, another ranger tried to stop them and they took off. She put her car across the road to block it and attempted to make a felony stop on them and was shot.

I know this is just the kind of stuff conspiracies are made of, but I really think it is just a coincidence...a tragic one.

Okay...so I took another screen shot of the live cam and have debated whether to post it. I noticed from one pic to the next there seemed to be obvious darker streaks going out (away) from the mountain in the same area I mentioned. There was also another quake right at the same time. Perhaps just a play of the light, but i wanted to share it anyways. I have darkened the contrast to make it more obvious:

You have to scroll to the right to see it...I didn't want to shrink it:




posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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Lemme tell you why I'm 90% sure that's steam...

Because the sun is out. Mist, haze that would have all been evaporated by now...



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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The dark streaks could be the light reflection huh? It could be a shadow of a hidden peak behind the cloud.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:29 PM
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I have to say, the fact that the cloud cover is higher in elevation than this everywhere else in every other picture makes these particular clouds suspect...



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Well I see what you are getting at with the steam, and to answer the question, I would seek someone locally, very close to that mountain who looks at it every day and ask them if they've seen that kind of steam before. Perfect, unbiased answer.

Let's hope they've seen lots of that steam. Just heaps and mounds of steam. Lord, give us steam, please. Much steam. Steam much?

If they haven't, and we've got thousands of microquakes, and a melting glacier...umm... might be time to call Houston.





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