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Obama signs Iran sanctions bill into law

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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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I may not have read that last post clearly enough to see that you have basically the same view.
I was just saying that war is war whether it's "legally declared" or not. They just don't declare it because going to war without proper declaration starts to desensitize people to the violence and gives people the false view that what is happening is good and in our country's best interest. They throw out names such as "Iraqi Freedom" or "enduring freedom" or whatever, to give a positive spin on it and make us associate "war" with "freedom" or "peace," or something that's good.

But all I was really saying is that we're over there. We're getting shot at, we're killing, and we're being killed. It's a war that's been waged under the radar along with help from the media who dehumanize the "threat" by referring to them as "terrorists" instead of actual people with lives and families of their own. This makes the average American think lesser of these people. They are viewed as scum, nothing more than a target to engage. In turn, Americans end up HATING and scrutinizing almost anyone of middle eastern descent. Ask them why the hate, and they either won't give you a straight answer, or they'll give an answer involving something they "heard" or "saw on the news" or some BS like that. Because the truth is, there is no real reasons to do what we're doing besides the massive income generated by big business at the expense of American lives who truly believe what they're doing is right.

The government is very good at controlling propaganda and conducting psychological operations and subliminal messages on it's citizens to enhance our already genetic urge for violence. Their goal is to make us hate, without us questioning WHY we hate, and make people believe there are logical reasons to how they are reacting.

They use the words "patriotism" and "honor" to give nobility to horrendous unjustified military action. And the sad thing is, most people are so brainwashed that they think they're doing the right thing, and have fun taking lives of people they were conditioned to feel hate towards.

I took an oath to defend the United States against foreign and domestic enemies. To me, an enemy is someone who is attempting to take my life. Never will I engage a human first. Unless I am specifically in danger, only then will I engage because then it's a "him or me" situation. Primal instinct kicks in. But also, the government is becoming a domestic enemy I swore to protect my country and the Constitution from. The second they start detaining American citizens unjustifiably, you better believe I will protect my people by all means necessary.

This might have gone a little off topic kinda, I just felt like typing what was on my mind at the moment. Hope at least some of that made sense. Still a little drunk




posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 07:06 AM
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...But Mr Obama stressed that he had concerns about parts of the bill which increase the US military's authority over terror suspects.

"The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it," Mr Obama said in a statement....


 


that position is the proverbial ~ Having Your Cake And Eating it Too ~





Related:

Mortons Fork ~ 2 equally bad choices
Dilemma ~ 2 equal choices
Hobson's choice ~having something or nothing





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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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Sanctions against Iran wont work Because: 1-We build and make and grow almost every thing we need and in case of a fatal need of crap!, big old brother china is more than happy to provide us with!!. 2-Almost all countries in the world will suffer if we cut back our sources. 3-in this fragile market the big companies need to trade to survive specially if your economy is dependent to Others 4-Acts of insanity out of despression never made any good any where. 5-We frankly dont know what is the USs beef with us, rather than a bunch of crap coming out of the Zionist lobbies mouth. 6- We are and have been ready for much worst senarios,and are prepared for every thing. 7- people in the world will finally understand the truth. you cant always hide behind your masks. 8- Persians are peaceful loving people just like Americans are.its the filthy money hungry power fetisher Zio Ilumonsterit!! that we are against of. 9- West will gain nothing out of this, the only rational attempt is to talk RESPECTFULLY without pre conditions and with no influence from the Elites and Zionists. 10- As i said somewhere else in a forum Iranians and Americans Are two great nations that have a lot in common.And i say that as an Iranian who spends half of his life living in Canada and the US. 11- We have been through sanctions ever since i can remember . so this is no news to us .what a pity it is to make the inoccent people of both sides to suffer over the greed of bunch of Hunes and tugs and cowards. _javascript:icon('
') sorry for misspellings its been a while. PEACE.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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As predicted, yet another middle eastern country will be bombed to #. If I was syria I would stop murdering it's people cause they will be next.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Originally posted by Krono
As predicted, yet another middle eastern country will be bombed to #. If I was syria I would stop murdering it's people cause they will be next.

But of course! How dare the Syrian government kill its own people! That obviously reduces the number of people the US can murder when they decide to. Thoroughly unacceptable!



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by Chargeit
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Theres no innocent. If they don't want to be blown up then they should over throw their government. If not then they reap what they sew


Oh, I see! So we all need to have governments that are subservient to Israel and the US then or suffer the consequences?


Maybe you should ask yourself why does the iranian leader go on tv and constantly denigrate israel and its leadership and what would you think or do about it if you were the offended party. It seems you are a hardcore palestinian supporter to be of such an opinion.

The iranian leader is a muslim fanatic, like george bush was a christian fanatic, like the current israeli government has jewish fanatics. Religion is an excuse to go to war and control people. It has always been a disease fueled by capitalism.

America looks after its best interests and since it is a capitalist nation it will look for opportunities to expand its corporate empire. People check msnbc for the latest stock quotes and without war new weapons cannot be produced. That is why we need socialism!

You should know all about imperialism being a briish fellow, just like all europeans and america. Pot calling the kettle black and it is disgusting to be honest. Can you HANDLE the truth????.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Krono
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?


Innocent civilians or armed terrorists conducting special forces like operations of killing government troops and sabotaging crucial structures of the society? these are not innocent civilians but 'prep ups' by foreign government intelligence agencies with financial and arms support. these agents of sabotage can go out and protest peacefully as much as they want. But if they cause disturbance and chaos, then they will be dealt with. If they want government or social reforms then they should take care to not stress the government with additional critical challenges. Reforms and changes do not and cannot occur when the country is being destabilized by foreign agents and criminals.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by victor7

Originally posted by Krono
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?


Innocent civilians or armed terrorists conducting special forces like operations of killing government troops and sabotaging crucial structures of the society? these are not innocent civilians but 'prep ups' by foreign government intelligence agencies with financial and arms support. these agents of sabotage can go out and protest peacefully as much as they want. But if they cause disturbance and chaos, then they will be dealt with. If they want government or social reforms then they should take care to not stress the government with additional critical challenges. Reforms and changes do not and cannot occur when the country is being destabilized by foreign agents and criminals.


Ok please can you kindly explain to me what happened in Libya? As far as I'm aware, ghadaffi ordered the deaths and rapes of it's civilians, the cilia's wanted reform, got shot at so took arms. Us and the French spoke to the rebels and said we'll help if we get x amount of oil so the rebels obliged.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Krono

Originally posted by victor7

Originally posted by Krono
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?


Innocent civilians or armed terrorists conducting special forces like operations of killing government troops and sabotaging crucial structures of the society? these are not innocent civilians but 'prep ups' by foreign government intelligence agencies with financial and arms support. these agents of sabotage can go out and protest peacefully as much as they want. But if they cause disturbance and chaos, then they will be dealt with. If they want government or social reforms then they should take care to not stress the government with additional critical challenges. Reforms and changes do not and cannot occur when the country is being destabilized by foreign agents and criminals.


Ok please can you kindly explain to me what happened in Libya? As far as I'm aware, ghadaffi ordered the deaths and rapes of it's civilians, the cilia's wanted reform, got shot at so took arms. Us and the French spoke to the rebels and said we'll help if we get x amount of oil so the rebels obliged.


You do not ask and demand reforms at the drop of a hat. You do not bring a whole nation to stand still by your protests and riots. One fine morning you do not go out and declare that government which is in power for 42 years is defunct and thereby putting the whole country into chaos and disturbance. There was a lots of media hype and hypocracy as to how many civilians were shot. You are not a peaceful civilian anymore if you are firing at the government forces with ak-47s and RPGs. In the US you will be a 'terrorist i.e. enemy combatant'.

If you want reforms then please give government some time, planning and organization so that in the process of reforms the common society does not get hurt and stressed. Wonder what happended to Color Revolutions in Ukraine, Serbia, other CIS republics. Wonder how peaceful is Egypt as of today and how many more Islamic Brotherhood Mullahs are holding power in Tunisia and Morocco.

Libya was oil greed and media psyh-ops. To add to this the 'faggot in Kremlin' Medvedev called his UN Ambassador to not veto the 1973 resolution. Only two days later he was crying like a 'foggot whore' who was conned out of the money for services.

US and French got their oil contracts but are the Libyans anymore peaceful and better taken care of? How are Iraqis doing? All this Arab Spring and similar nonsense is nothing but to change governments and make them puppets. There is no genuine desire to help the common people and that is why these Springs soon falter out and puppet governments are thrown out of power. In the process common man in the society is further shocked and stressed.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Ok, how bout voting? Did you ever occur to think that a simple vote wouldn't remove the governmen as it would in the UK?



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Libyans were never given a chance to organize a vote, big things hit that country a bit too fast until it was a full blown war instigated and prodded by parties from outside. However, why do you put so much reliance on a vote. Even a vote can be manipulated by media blitz throwing focus on wrong issues and bringing out twisted facts. Furthermore, we are talking third world like populations where variables like tribal loyalty and regional traits play a big role in any type of voting. First populations have to be prepared for a democratic society and then be made to walk in the democratic lanes. Shock therapy happened in USSR in 1991. The whole country fell knees down to criminals, opportunists and corporate looters with connections. Common people suffered like hell. However, in China the reforms were more controlled and organized and thus society prospered despite corruption and opportunism. Same in India and Brazil. No shock therapy only small and organized steps towards market reforms and market based political economy.

Wonder how would US population feel if someone introduces shock therapy on its debt and economic problems. If there were no economic stimulus given in 2008 and beyond, the US economy would have gone into a very destructive type of depression. So please do not suggest shock and quick reforms on others when on your own ground you are ready to take less than the baby steps regarding critical issues.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace

Who says China cant buy oil from Iran?




President Barrack Obama:

www.bbc.co.uk...

Since China buys oil from Iran and does business with the Iranian Central Bank.......Barrack Obama just froze China's money in American Banks.


Essentially China comes out fighting to stay alive.....or they're dead. Their money abroad has just been frozen.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Very well stated
I thank you for your service.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Krono
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?

So it is not OK for the Syrian government to kill its own people but OK for the US to murder many times more in a miltary intervention?

Are you the officially designated murderers of the world? Guess you think so.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by Pervius

Originally posted by princeofpeace

Who says China cant buy oil from Iran?




President Barrack Obama:

www.bbc.co.uk...

Since China buys oil from Iran and does business with the Iranian Central Bank.......Barrack Obama just froze China's money in American Banks.


Essentially China comes out fighting to stay alive.....or they're dead. Their money abroad has just been frozen.


Your delusions of omnipotence are quite impressive!

The US will be toast should they freeze China's financial assets in the US. It is one thing to mess around with little guys like Iran who cannot retaliate and messing with giants like China. All their financial assets in the US are protected by bilateral and international agreements. You can ignore such agreements when small fry are concerned without fear of repurcusssions but don't even think about it when countries like China are involved.

I am not sure if the US government is serious about enforcing this "law", but if it is, it better inform all countries of their decision and give them time to move their assests out, if they want to continue to trade with Iran, I believe the US President has six months to "enforce" the law. So China will simply move their assets out of the US, get rid of all the US$ and US government debt they are holding. Same will be the case with others who have major trade with Iran. In effect, the US will be trashing its economy and currency.

But try and freeze China's assets, shortly there after there won't be a US. Not an unwelcome prospect, I might add.
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posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 10:01 PM
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Good post by someone who has been there and done that. However as mentioned words like 'Enduring Freedom', 'Just Cause' etc. etc. the US social system has itself become a fake name covering of sorts i.e. Democracy on top and media but a Dictatorship of severe kind.

Once by media psych-ops and disinformation a president like George Bush II is elected, then this president is a virtual dictator and especially when calling wars, bombings and attacks on other nations and more so the types that a much weak to begin with and are further weakened by sanctions of arms, economics and other crucial strings in the daily functioning of normal society. People say GBW II was himself a more a average type guy but was surrounded by fanatics like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfovitz and other bastards each having a fanatic agenda of their own. There are politicians catering to the demands of lobby groups sponsored by arms and related manufacturers for whom profits mean all and it does not matter if 5000 US soldiers are killed, 25000 severely maimed or crippled for life and 100,000 Iraqis are killed and 250000 made homeless. The serious consequences of war also come to hit American middle class hard in many ways that top dogs just brush off and ignore.

However, psych-ops and media blitz aside, American public is also to blame for putting up and electing the leaders which they later come to regret. The brainwashing can only go to a limit and after some time it becomes impractical to believe what is being said. Problem with America is 'common man' is too timid to break from the pack and run his own course. Those who try to do that are severely punished by government and rest of the society and termed as misfits and wierdo-freaks. This is called the invisible hand of American Dictatorship.



posted on Jan, 1 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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Good post, I agree.

I agree that it is American citizens to blame - to an extent. I have two things to say regarding that.

1. Any presidential candidate will say whatever it takes to get put in office. After that it's their choice what they do. So, the American people don't really have a choice but to trust someone who they think might make a difference. Democratic, Republican, does it really make a difference in the end? To me they're both sides of the same coin. They all have their own agendas and not many people are willing to start an all out revolutionary war because of this. Which brings me to my next comment.

2. No matter how complex the human mind may seem to us, it's actually very easily deceived and susceptible to manipulation. This is why psy-ops and disinfo are so effective to the minds of average citizens. I can't really blame them for not "being awake," because psychology is an art and is applied effectively in every day life even by ordinary businesses urging people to consume, spend, repeat. So mostly, I blame the "errors" in the wiring of the human brain for this because no two brains are the same. Similar, but not identical.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Observor

Originally posted by Krono
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I don't condone military intervention but in this case it is needed. Can you justify the unlawful murdering of innocent civilians cause they want the government out?

So it is not OK for the Syrian government to kill its own people but OK for the US to murder many times more in a miltary intervention?

Are you the officially designated murderers of the world? Guess you think so.


Firstly I'm British not American. And I said, I can't stand it when the US goes in the weak countries guns blazing just for oil. HOWEVER, the sanctions to prevent Syria from mass murdering it's people are clearly not working, Assad and the opposition clearly don't want to have a "peace talk" so what can the UN do about it?


Let me remind you, the UN are supposed to be all about "peace" and sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire in order to gain that peace.



posted on Jan, 2 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind

Obama signs Iran sanctions bill into law


www.bbc.co.uk

US President Barack Obama has signed into law a major defence bill including tough new sanctions against Iran.

The law bans foreign firms from doing business with Iran's central bank.

But Mr Obama stressed that he had concerns about parts of the bill which increase the US military's authority over terror suspects.

"The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it," Mr Obama said in a statement.
(visit the link for the full news article)


STFU Obama, yes you do, THAT'S WHY YOU SIGNED IT! this man's thirst for unlimited power is disgusting, then he has the nerve to lie about it, and commit an act of war against Iran in the process.......



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