Clinton assisted Russian kh-31 Krypton ASM program, page 2
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reply posted on 2-1-2006 @ 08:21 AM by longjohn

If you'd read the article it doesn't say it was a Moskit It's an AS-17 Krypton. Here are some specifications as you are so learned.


And here is a link for you:
www.globalsecurity.org...


As you can see an F-4 could easily carry several of those missiles.
www.globalsecurity.org...


How about system inoperability?
Do believe that Russia really would have sold/given all that information to the USA? Do you?
Strange huh, for an enemy?



Here's another source, scanned documents from teh Navy.


If you really believe those to be secret naval documents then I would try and see wheter ANY other news agency (reuters, NRP, AFP, CSMonitor) has also mentioned these 'facts'.

I would also check www.globalsecurity.org...
It might offer a more... moderate view.


I'll give you a challenge:
I say the items you give are b*ll#.
List two other (reliable = internationally known) news sources which also mention this and I will offer my excuses on the list.


reply posted on 2-1-2006 @ 08:53 AM by mad scientist
Originally posted by longjohn
I'll give you a challenge:
I say the items you give are b*ll#.
List two other (reliable = internationally known) news sources which also mention this and I will offer my excuses on the list.


Aha, say what you want there are more than enough sources to prove you wrong. Hell you couldn't even get the right missile and instead started talking about completely different models
You my friend are full of it, admit that and save some face. Quite frankly people like you still think the earth is flat as well, we know it isn't though, don't we


Now here's the kicker for the really dense, here's one from Boeing's oficial website - then again they could be lying as well

  • ST. LOUIS, Dec. 17, 1999 -- The U.S. Navy has awarded an $18.8 million contract to The Boeing Company for procurement of 34 MA-31 target vehicles.

    Concern about anti-ship missiles prompted the U.S. Navy to ask U.S. industry for a system to simulate anti-ship missiles to test its defenses. To maximize realism and minimize development and production costs, the Boeing Phantom Works proposed the MA-31 Target System in a concept exploration and definition study and subsequently in a highly successful foreign comparative test.

    "We wanted to provide the most realistic target possible at the lowest possible cost," said John Reilly, MA-31 program manager. "And that's just what we've done."

    www.boeing.com...


    Oh and guess what the below image is from Boeing's website.



Like I said, you could have saved some face without talking BS, I don't enjoy making people look stupid, well maybe sometimes



[edit on 2-1-2006 by mad scientist]


reply posted on 4-1-2006 @ 01:49 AM by mad scientist
Originally posted by xmotex
I got that, and you're still missing the point, it was the US military, not Bill Clinton, that asked for the missile, and got it working correctly.

Or are you under the impression that Clinton had a side job as a rocket scientist?


In 1995, the U.S. Navy acquired the Kh-31 from Russia as part of an arms deal cut behind closed doors by Vice President Gore and Russian Prime Minister Chernomyrdin. On first blush this sounds like a great idea. We provide cash to the bankrupt Russian defense industry and in return we acquire advanced weapons.

However, Gore was suckered by Moscow. The Krypton deal did not include the real guts of the missile, its electronic seeker. According to one Russian defense source, the Kryptons supplied to America were little more than "hollow target shells." In 1995, the U.S. Navy also determined that the Russian Krypton missiles did not include the all-important radar "seeker" and guidance electronics from the weapon version.

"Removal of the seeker will preclude use of the MA-31 (Krypton) for testing the effectiveness of soft-kill EW (electronic warfare) systems and decoys," states a 1995 Navy report. At this point, U.S. engineers provided direct assistance to Russian weapons engineers in order to make the Krypton work. The OK came from the highest levels in the Clinton administration and included U.S.-funded trips to American test sites by Russian missile engineers.

newsmax.com...


Did you actually read the article ? Doesn't seem so
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