I'm not really a religous guy but I do believe in god and I just want to know if the bible really predicts the end of humanity or will some people be left alive to carry on?Can the end of the world be stopped or is it going to happen definitely?
I tried reading the bible for my self but can't make any sense of it..

Well, IF I remember correctly, Revelations state that the world will be punished with pestilence, famine, ETC. And the Faithful will be allowed to 'transcend' early.

I guess its open for interpretation.

Specifically,
Revelation talks of the 1,000 year reign of Christ ending, the Great WHite Throne Judgement, and a new heaven and a new earth. In 1 and 2 Peter, we are told that the heavens and the earth will be consumed by fire, and
a new heaven and new earth.....I can provide specific verses if you would like, U2U me.

The only thing left to interpretation is wether or not you believe the Bible.

Spider

you dont have to look into decrypting the biblr to find that itd in revalations. if a new heaven and earth was created maybe it has already happened but i doubt it.

no not really the bible does not shows a specific day or month for the end of the world but rather the end of humans in earth, and still no day is given also.

I didn't say that the date or hour was specified. In fact, the Bible tells us specifically that anyone that claims to know that information is in error.

Sequentially speaking, the earth has yet to be destroyed by fire or recreated, so at since since the 1st century when the books of the Bible in the New Testament were written, the end of the earth has not happened.

IF any one is interested at looking at the specific verses, I would be happy to send them to you.
Spider

Spider is correct, from the Biblical standpoint. It literally says that the world is going to end and all humans will be judged.

But as to knowing a date, the Bible states that this is strictly forbidden, and that not even Christ knew the date of his return. It does, however, state that Christians would be able to tell the season of the end, but still no specific time.

I guess it makes sense because if we knew exactly the day it was going to occur, we would all party right up until 2359 of the night before, and then try and find faith as rapidly as possible within the next 24 hours.

It's wierd, I've never been bathtized,I might of went to church 5 times in my hole life and it never bothered me before but now it's really starting to make me nervous. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I've got this feeling that something major is going to happen soon,it's not a prediction just a gut feeling.

Well, like I said earlier, it says that people will be able to sense when they are in that season. That men’s hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming. I guess that’s why it’s been such a hot topic over the last few years. People sense that something is about to happen, each interprets it according to their own beliefs on Religion, prophecy, and what is going on in the world around us.

When you think about it though we’re all in the same boat, so each person has to find what it is that they believe and they are comfortable believing in to give them peace and see them through.

you are right to some extent the earth has never been destroyed by fire but it has suffered major famine and a ice age. they dinosaurs were wiped out due to lack of anything to eat......... so maybe we are on the new earth and if you are good you can be on your way to the new heaven unless your a terrorist then you can go to cuba where you belong and have sex with your friends

What do you mean its never been destroyed by fire?
What do you think happens when an asteroid smashes into the planet?

That’s why the measure impact events in megatons, just like bombs.

well the world will end by fire cause i had a match lit when it ended....... its never been directly consumed by fire

Well it has been excepted theory over the years that the dinosaurs where wiped out by an asteroid impact. I believe that this is more then a small fire, it threw tons of debris into the air which caused the other two factors that you where mentioning, winter and famine.

so no sense in arguing but I think it was and wasnt "consumed" by fire ash and debris????? neither of those things are "fire"

Yeah, your right, and I am not trying to argue with you , but do you know where it states it is to be consumed by fire?

I thought it said that as well, and just did a search on E-Sword, and the only thing that comes up is something in Nehemiah. Nothing comes up in relation to the end times.

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i think when it ends it will just be like turning off tv set like boom we are all gone......

You know it funny I just read something on Quarks a few weeks back which pretty much said just that. Because Quarks can just pop into and out of existence, mathematically its possible that the universe just suddenly disappear.


God pushes button, and silence...

What could be even worse would be if he started channel surfing.

Well defcon 5 you could have done all those post in one. Now you have to remember that the book of reveletions was the last book added to the compilation of the bible and like anything done by the hands of men, was by church mandate and I will be skeptical on the validity of it.

In my views the church views of how the end of days should be is very strong in revelations.

Here are a few references to the end of the world, and all of the related information.

Revelation 21:1........Earth and Heaven "have passed away". Specific mention of how the earth, passes away, is not mentioned. Now, in using both Hebrew and Greek word studies, and the phrases chosen, the implied meaning is that the old earth and heaven are completely gone, not purged and reformed.

2d Peter 3:10-12 "the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat: both the earth and the works that are in in will be burned up"

Again, not purged and reformed, as was done with the flood, but melted away, so a new earth and heaven will be created.

There are countless other verses which support this view, and if anyone is interested, I can provide a study of sorts on the topic.

As for the formation of the Bible, when one mentions "the Church" forming it, one must decide which church it is that formed it. Yes, the universal church adopted the vulgate. But before that, the cannon of scripture, ie., the books that make up the Bible, were decided upon by the elders of the early church, or the church father's as we call them, well before the 3rd century universal church. I guess if anyone can have a claim to know which books should be in the Bible, let us consider the following.

1. The Old testament, translated by the Jewish Hgih council in Alexandria at the bequest of Alexander, was the same Old Testament cannon in use today. It was conisdered finished at that time.

2. The assembly of the new testament cannon was complete by the 2d century, by the church fathers. It is interesting to note that the universal church added a few books later on.

3. There are some today that feel they can add books or take away words from the Bible because of their "excellent" scholarship. I find this to be profoundly arrogant, since somehow they have ascribed to themsleves a superior wisdom than those men and women who were many who knew those who walked with Christ himself.

The Spider

Originally posted by ilovehaters
i think when it ends it will just be like turning off tv set like boom we are all gone......

Nope. Your electric energy will remain but in the form of something else.
Maybe in a TV in standby mode waiting to be turned on.