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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003

Originally posted by Eaglecall
I see the thread has been shifting but anyways....I oppose the US getting involved with Iran. But to say that Iran would destroy the Navy, bwahahaha....I mean C'mon....EVERYTHING. Absolutely EVERYTHING that has been discussed and exposed here, has been already thought and digested for those in charge of the Military. One thing is games and simulations but a different thing is a real deployment. We don't take chances. The only reason a whole carrier could be taken out, would be some sort of conspiracy to allow that to happen in order to manipulate emotions in the masses. Other than that, the military capabilities of the US are unimaginable. When we first went to Afghanistan, people was like "OMG the Russians lost that war, they could never take over the country" We went in, BOOOM....those weirdos are living in caves now. When we went to Iraq, the media was like "Oh, well, Saddam learned from the Gulf War. Now he is prepared with the second largest military in the middle east" We went in, BOOOM...bombs were pouring from the heavens they never knew what hit them. In a few days the government of Saddam was gone.

We could transform Iran in a parking lot in no time.

And as far as nukes reaching the US. Are you sure they would ever make it here?


affghaniation is not won.We are doing the same mistakes as the russians.




It was won in days. Just like Iraq. The objective was to dismantle the Taliban Regime. We wiped it out in less than a week. Same with iraq. The objective was to conquer the Capital, dismantle Saddam's Regime and capture him. Accomplished.

Now if you're argument is that these rats are still in caves making fireworks or sectarian violence is still around in iraq, That is a cultural problem that doesn't affect us, and there's nothing you can do about it. Our only interest is to make sure they can't reach us anytime soon. That can be done by leaving them in stone age, or by tricking them imposing on them a "democratic" government that will keep everything in order.




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by SoulParasite
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
 


You are finest example why peoples all over the world hate jews. You dont understend simple fact that Iranians are well equipped and prepared to war. More, you want this war. This is sick.
You bastards stole land and other things from palestinians and i will support them always. Im not supporting extremists like Iran or Talibans and i understand that world should do something with them but war is the last option, always. You are just like germans in 30's... You can do enything to palestinians but when someone is defending them he must be antisemite...


Actually the iranian dictator is the one constantly denigrating israel, while claiming "peaceful uses of nuclear energy" and refusing inspections at the same time. It proves he has an evil agenda, much like sadam hussein when he attacked kuwait and threatened saudi arabia and israel.

The second gulf war was a huge mistake though as it destabilised the region from two super powers to one, giving the iranian dictator more leverage to grow and make more threats. If sadam was still in power the iranian dictator would be focusing on iraq rather than israel. Unlike Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Cheney were idiots and now everyone is playing the price for THEIR MISTAKES!

I don't think nato wants to destroy iran, they simply want to prevent iran from acquiring nukes which could greatly destabilise the region. It should have been done covertly though with special forces and perhaps iranians helping nato sabotage their arsenal. This long game of threats is helping iran realise its goals and winning supporters from the underdog crowd. Not good!



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Iran has no nukes.US WMD myth ...Does iraq mobile biological labortaries ring a bell?



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by shapur
reply to post by Eaglecall
 


It is exactly that kind of deluded racist Roman mentality that has made you people our foremost enemy for centuries.the exact tactics of today were applied 2000 years ago to make the world believe that we are the bad guys and you are the saints!..............even then you had the spin doctors to turn the reality 180 degrees and slap it back to our faces......Almost seven out of every ten battles were won by the Persians .but little emperors and their bath house buddies tried to write the history just as they wanted.........And our drunken kings were too busy screwing roman chicks to pay attention to this big fraud at all..they didnt even care.........so years passed by,and mostly because of that lies, our self confidence lowered to a level that we have been attacked by Arabs and Turks and even Afghans! .........they lowered our confidence even more when they put puppet leaders over our heads in 20th century.................but we gradually grew up ,read our history.and your history for that matter.and educated ourselves........we realized that what you people have done to us throughout the history,was nothing but capitalizing on us to the max..........now we have our pride back again and we slapped the west many times on the face in recent years , we do not want to be their backyard like a lot of other countries do.........Now we have the will, population,the know how, and power to stand up against any nation or combined nations in the Galaxy..... we might loose our lives and families doing so but thats all right ..........at least the next generations will value our courage and morals for years to come.....As we did with Irak during the war.......Iraq war happened during our most critical times ..And unlike you Americans we were fighting with almost 20 countries and with full support of money, arms, food and media coverage from the whole western community..........Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan by Americans is a joke by comparison......Invading a bunch of loonies who think you are there to bring them peace and Mc donalds and blond whores,with their corrupted mad leaders and a crippled army is a task that only a ten years old bully is proud of...( wait a minute georgy was a 10 year old bully!).... ......and you did not even accomplish that!!...... ......despite all these facts we dont really have a beef with you guys for as long as you behave humanly and don't fantasize about our 10 year old boys and girls or our resources ..........but if you do that ,this time you will be forced to getting a lesson which you will not forget for the rest of your bullying lives....so...just be good,, sit the hell down and try to come up with a solutions to your REAL problems instead of digging your noses up in everybodys ass, and stop being a puppet for corrupted corporate Zionists............just leave them to us if you are really afraid of them!.if you know what i mean!...........After all you are our old beloved enemy that we loved to hate for ages!!
...cheers and happy new year by the way....



You're right in what you say, but you're wrong in the perception you have of people like me. First, I am American before anything, andf I would die 10 times if I could for the American flag. Second, our federal goverment no longer represent the people. We as Americans, oppose MOST of foreign policies and defense policies. That is not who we are. If we get attacked, yes, a giant sleeping wakes up and erase everything from the map. But if we are not attacked, I have no interest in interfering other countries interests.

Im saying this because I have NO PROBLEM with Iran. I do not support attacking Iran, not even imposing sanctions on them. Why? Because is not our problem. Does that mean that I completely trust Ahmadenijad, no. However, the way to do it is to close our borders and develop technology to protect us in case of attack.

Most people around the world has a resentment against the USA, and I understand it. That occupying and colonizing behavior, is not characteristic of the people of the USA. Is the government's agenda.

I am convinced that the people of Iran is good, with no interests in wiping out Israel and the USA off the map. The problem is the Ayatollah. Still, I have no interest in getting my hands in there.

Our only hope is Ron Paul.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Soviets had won in days.It was the guerilla tactics of the afghans that led to mass problems for the russians.Same with USA. And the Afghan war only benefits the big oil companies not common americans.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Iran has no nukes.US WMD myth ...Does iraq mobile biological labortaries ring a bell?


They probably have no nukes as of now and have no reliable method of delivery, BUT the longer iran buys time, the more the chances of them doing so increase. Iraq did have chemical weapons and it used them against the kurds and #es who opposed the sunnis.

The first gulf war was necessary, but the second was a hoax perpetrated by 9-11 as an excuse. They had absolutely no reason to attack iraq AGAIN, they should have stoped at the taliban. Bin Laden himself called iraq a socialist regime which is antithetical to any islamic republic. An islamic republic denotes religion as a state sanctioned code of law.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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How does a small boat launch enough missiles to take out a carrier fleet, or even a single carrier?

Don't you need a boat big enough, not only to carry a missile large enough to take out an aircraft carrier, but the capacity to launch said missile. Just for one missile, you need a fairly large boat, like a ship, whose speed won't be any faster than U.S. ships, probably slower considering Iran's backward technology.

Does seem to me that the future will be unmanned carriers loaded with drones, controlled by smaller ships even further out to sea.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Yes they are buying time to live.Nukes are the only way to keep the american aggressor at bay.

If people think like you I am happy that Russia is preparing for nuclear war.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
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Soviets had won in days.It was the guerilla tactics of the afghans that led to mass problems for the russians.Same with USA. And the Afghan war only benefits the big oil companies not common americans.


Actually america via the cia helped the taliban get rid of the soviet union by giving them shoulder fired sams to hunt low flying heli gunships and attack fighters. The soviets did not have effective gps bombs so they had to fly low and were vunerable. Nato is much better equiped in regards to technology..........

Then the taliban turned against the usa when they refused to sell opium, they disagreed on the price/quantity or something of that nature. 9-11 was the perfect excuse to get rid of the taliban and alqueda in one war, but I do believe AMERICA LET THEM ATTACK and perhaps even aided them, so they could have the excuse to go to war in afghanistan, iraq and bring about DHS and all the other treasonous statues. In other words it was an inside-outside job and that is why everyone seems confused.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Yes they are buying time to live.Nukes are the only way to keep the american aggressor at bay.

If people think like you I am happy that Russia is preparing for nuclear war.


Russia and china are looking out for their self-interest in regards to trading partners. They don't directly support the iranian dictator, only indirectly. They sell weapons to everyone that nato refuses to do business with.

I honestly have no idea why you think I hate iran or want nuclear war to happen.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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only 12-15% of aircraft losses were due to stingers.Majority were due to small arms supplied by chinese and pakistanis.Majority of russian ground troop losses were due to 120 mm mortars.

and GPS became effective in late 80's ,when era of smart bombs started.

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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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you think so?


I think things are far more sinister than you believe.Seems ego is in denial.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


only 12-15% of aircraft losses were due to stingers.Majority were due to small arms supplied by chinese and pakistanis.Majority of russian ground troop losses were due to 120 mm mortars.

and GPS became effective in late 80's ,when era of smart bombs started.

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Regardless if you have to fly low to sweep the target with dumb munitions(rockets, bombs, cannon) you expose yourself to stingers and aaa fire. Don't forget afghanistan is mountainous terrain so going low in the canyons is difficult to begin with.

The higher in elevation an airplane has to fly the lower the lift and manuevarability becomes. I am used to flying simulators and although far from real, it does give you a pretty realistic feel of battle and flying.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


you think so?


I think things are far more sinister than you believe.Seems ego is in denial.


All three world wars have been planned by albert pike and his luciferian masonic buddies a century and a half ago. Masonry is related to the knights templar who fought to gain control over jerusalem from the muslim invading forces. They eventually lost the battles and returned to europe(switzerland and the uk) to pick up banking.

I know the conspiracy, but you probably don't!



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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I cant reply to those intelectual midgets posts...
OMG during last 2000 years almost all wars, genocides and other things happened because of those goddamn jews, muslims christians etc.
I cant stand it anymore...............
We should bomb them all. And those damn jehovah witness....................................



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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We wiped it out in less than a week


Incorrect, still there, an article from today:
www.cnn.com...

But lets stay on topic, the US may have won the battle, but lost the war.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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>I cant reply to those intelectual midgets posts...

As one of those intel(l)ectual midgets... I accept your surrender.



>OMG during last 2000 years almost all wars, genocides and other things happened because of
>those goddamn jews, muslims christians etc.

I feel for you brother!

I can see how a simple thing like someone coming back at you with the facts could be SO distressing...

> I cant stand it anymore...............

> We should bomb them all. And those damn jehovah witness....................................

And here I thought your rantings were just limited to those stinking 'land-grabbing' Jews!

I guess you learn something new every day!




posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
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Im just going to be honest here. WW3 WILL happen. I am just ready to get it over with before technology gets to far ahead.


I am pretty sure nuclear weapons are advanced enough already but I do appreciate what you're saying.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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So, you want serious reply... Ok.
The truth is that you stole land from palestinians. Even Ariel Sharon admitted that.
And yes, you (Zionists) are acting like nazis in palestina. Do you want links? Or maybe you just stfu?
I saw a story on planette channel about guy that went to work and when he returned he found a tank in front of his house that now belonged to israeli "settlers"... Dont be silly man. Its ATS, almost everybody here know the truth...


Back on topic anyway. Yes, title is misleading. But its real that Iran can be dangerous. And only idiots underestimate their enemies. Peoples, read something about iranian army or weaponry... Then post. When you gather all info you will think twice before posting such nonsense. They will be hard enemy. Thats all what i want to say and better remember my words. They are Persians, not dirty arabs...



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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The Israeli's took back the land from the Muslims, who took it from the Jews and the Christians way back when,

Most of it was uninhabited, unusable desert, which through advanced farming techniques, the Jews are turning into valuable land.

In addition, Israel is the only country with any technology, and any chance of a sustainable economy.

Once the oil runs out in the Islamic oil producing nations, which are nothing but mafia style welfare states, there will be a whole lot of desperate Muslims who would be smart to pay attention to how the Jews succeed.

All we need is a nuclear armed bunch of desperate fanatics.





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