International Space Mapping of Lake Vostok Overridden by NSA, page 7
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reply posted on 1-8-2003 @ 08:43 AM by dragonrider
Well, it looks like whatever they are doing at Vostok they took a 24 hour break, and the seismic signature has resumed about 5 hours ago...

aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...

Ilovepizza,

Yes the ice cap is moving over the lake, but consider it is moving extremely slowly... if there is indeed a heat source, which is my suspicion, it would have more than enough time to constantly heat and melt new water.


reply posted on 1-8-2003 @ 09:14 PM by Seekerof
Originally posted by dragonrider
Tunnelling/Drilling activity at Palmer Station has kicked back up to high gear, for the past 15 hours...

As I said, must be pretty damn important for them...

aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...




DR.....
Is they a way to convert or figure what the intensity factor is for or on those readings?
They appear to be more intense then the ones before they stopped then started back up. Have you noticed that or is it my imagination?

regards
seekerof


reply posted on 2-8-2003 @ 01:35 PM by tututkamen
Originally posted by Valhall
Okay, the interruption gives me a little more faith in chunneling or drilling. You know, I can't get straight in my head how abusive drilling ice would be. It seems you would be able to drill a LOT longer in ice (particularly if you are using a heated drilling fluid to help melt it as you go). So, it very well could be drilling and they just get a heck of a lot of life out of the bit. Now, everything I've read so far states they want to get a sanitized sample, so that would make you think they can't use any kind of liquid. There is dry drilling (injected gas through bit to uplift debris). And since there is no fear of hydrocarbons, they can just pump air if they want. And I bet you, THAT's what is happening. Envision, if you will, hot air or steam being pumped down the bit, melting the ice...you don't really have to worry about debris in this, because it's all ice, so if you can melt it...you're home free!

This is very interesting. IF the operation is to extract a sample of lake water...then I think drilling goes to the top of the list...no need for something as complicated and large as chunneling...BUT, if it is NOT to extract this sample...then anything's possible.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay now you are entering my world, welcome.

'You know, I can't get straight in my head how abusive drilling ice would be'

nothing to it, been their done that. think of it this way
[ beer for the pony's whiskey for the boys]]
it is easier to put ice into a blender than cold rocks to make a Margarita, Wasted Away!

'It seems you would be able to drill a LOT longer in ice (particularly if you are using a heated drilling fluid to help melt it as you go). '

Nay soothsayer,
One would not wish to use fluid.
It would only remain hot down the drill sting, when it turned the corner and started up the annulus it would freeze and all you would have is an inverted popsicile
on drill pipe.
Compressed air wouldn't work because of it's water content.
The only feasable and enviromentally sound way would be with liquid nitrogen, stay away from your return line or it will eat you alive [LOLOLOL]
Have you ever seen a nitrogen line burst, or heard it, have you everbeen experienced, well I have!
Jimi H.
Wish you were here !

' lot of life out of the bit.'
nope! can't use a bit cones won't rotate, to cold
gotta use a Baker Tungston Carbide Milll Tool, if you want I can go up to my Igloo and price it out for ya.
{Banshee says I am a Brat whats up with dat!]
Thats what I use on Cheney's Packer when I leave it in the hole., Haliburton! Tungsten Carbide way to go.

'since there is no fear of hydrocarbons'

hydrocarbons are everywhere, where there was life once.

'face your fear and it will pass thru you and only you will remain,' F Herbert

"have no fear or ignore it and it will eat you" T. Tut
it's a guy thing!

I still can't belive Banshee called me a Brat
Thats like a Knockwurst!



And I bet you, THAT's what is happening.


OH FAR OUT, I"LL TAKE THAT BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cause I do not gamble, I win
what do you want to bet, I know what I want to bet.
C'MON, C'MON MAKE MY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To freak'in bad your married and in Oklahoma.


reply posted on 2-8-2003 @ 02:13 PM by Banshee
DAMN, tut!!!
Did you have too much coffee this morning??

And when did I call you a brat?

The intensity of Palmer Station has picked up even more, I think,
aslwww.cr.usgs.gov...
and there's a freaking pattern there, I can "see" it but can't quite see it, ya know? It's been driving me nuts for a couple days now.

I don't think these have been posted...here's what I found on antarctic drilling in general.
andrill-server.unl.edu...
www.niu.edu...
(drilling project proposed to begin in '05)
www.geology.ohio-state.edu...
(some current projects in Antarctica!)
english.pravda.ru...
hello...
Deep drilling work near the Russian Antarctic station Vostok will be resumed in the 2003-2004 season, Valeri Lukin, chief of the Russian Antarctic expedition, told RIA Novosti on Monday.


salegos-scar.montana.edu...
What the hell?? "Mars Sample Return vs. Vostok"

www.spacedaily.com...
They already hit Vostok?
The drilling record in Antarctica stands at four kilometers (2.5 miles), a depth achieved last year when scientists reached Lake Vostok -- a mysterious subterranean body of freshwater that, it is hoped, may hold microscopic life that exists nowhere else on Earth.


www-odp.tamu.edu...
www-odp.tamu.edu...
(previous drillings at Palmer Deep)

www.polar.org...
Palmer Station news from 12/01....
"Construction of the VLF beacon antenna began this past week. The location and orientation of this experiment are critical for contact with Palmer Station, where the receiving data acquisition system is located."

I'll leave it at that for now.
Still looking, though.

-B.



reply posted on 2-8-2003 @ 02:50 PM by Seekerof
Banshee....Great finds and very informative to say the least!

I extracted this few links out of the many you provided and I think they will explain or come close to what is being done around Vostok:
www.ldeo.columbia.edu...

levee.wustl.edu...

I think these will explain, almost, what is occuring in the Vostok area and perhaps explain the readings we are seeing on the seismographs in that area/region.

Great find and would most certainly like to know how you went about obtaining or finding this stuff....trade secret?

regards
seekerof

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