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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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I'm going to specifically quote Chapter 4 out of this thesis, but you might be more interested in the information it provides regarding "the land". This thesis is linked below in it's entirety.

ISRAEL IN THE TIME OF JESUS

"Chapter 4: Social life in Israel in the time of Jesus."

"To understand the history of the land in the time of the New Testament a correct view of the state of parties in this respect is necessary. If anyone had expected to find within the boundaries of: “the Land” itself one nationality, one language, the same interest or even one religion he would have been bitterly disappointed. For those who returned from Babylon were comparatively few in number. There was a constant influx by heathen. Hebrew has wholly given place to Aramaic except in public worship. (Alfred, 1979, pp. 20-21)"

"However when you put yourself in the middle of the time that Jesus lived you would quickly discovered that you would be surrounded by Jews. They flocked the streets, they were on the markets, they went to the temple, and they were buying and selling. It was their country! And Jesus was one of them."

"That makes it for us and for this study very imperative to study the Jew. Who, what is a Jew. What does he have in common with us today? What is specifically Jew and impact our understanding of the Bible."

"The name Jew was not always the given name for the Israelites. It is a name that historically grew. Dana puts it this way for us to understand: (Dana, 1977, p. 61) “The Jew is a product of the exile. It was in the time of exile to Babylon that the Israelite realized that he had sinned against God and that God was punishing him by deportation. The name Jew is a modification of the name Jude that trough Greek became Jew.”

"This name is given to those that came back from Babylon. They were mainly from the tribe of Jude. But being from this tribe was not the only reason to call them Jew. It was visible that this group of people was changed by their experience in the captive land of Babylonia. There was a true sense of change in their lives. They wanted to serve the Lord. They were zealous to keep the Law and the traditions of their fathers. This new group of zealous people became known as “the Jew”. (Dana, 1977, p. 61)"

"For the Jews every detail of their daily life was embedded into their religion. Their history, their land, their culture were part of their religious. There were 4 factors in the life a true Jew: The synagogue, the Temple, the celebrations, and the Sanhedrin. (Dana, 1977, p. 106)"

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edit on 3-1-2012 by Deetermined because: What? I tried to edit a previous post and it copied and pasted the whole thing again? This thread must be cursed by the "Zionists"! LOL! I'll try to use this space for something else.

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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Deet - you are forgetting one very important point.

The people who claim to be Jews today are not the Jews of 2,000 years ago.

The Jews of 2,000 years ago are today's Palestinians.

The reason that Israel does not have a DNA test to determine who is a Jew and who is not is that virtually none of the people who claim to be Jews today are really Jews genetically.


Originally posted by Deetermined

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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by BRAVO949
Deet - you are forgetting one very important point.

The people who claim to be Jews today are not the Jews of 2,000 years ago.

The Jews of 2,000 years ago are today's Palestinians.

The reason that Israel does not have a DNA test to determine who is a Jew and who is not is that virtually none of the people who claim to be Jews today are really Jews genetically.


Originally posted by Deetermined

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Sorry, most of the true "Palestinian Jews" left and the majority of the ones who remain are Muslim. To be a true Jew you have to be a descendant as well as practice Judaism. In fact, it's my understanding that the few Jews who do remain in the area, don't even consider or call themselves Palestinian. They consider themselves "citizens of Israel".
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posted on Jan, 3 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Well - Herzl was not a Jew then because he was an atheist like most of the leaders of Zionism.

You are saying that Israel was not founded by Jews.\

Deet - the Jews were not leave Palestine in the Roman era. You will not be able to find historical support for that because it just did not happen. It is a myth.

You have to separate myth from history.

Here listen to this Jewish man talk about hisrtory - he is an expert.

The Myths of Zionism Exposed





quote]Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by BRAVO949
Deet - you are forgetting one very important point.

The people who claim to be Jews today are not the Jews of 2,000 years ago.

The Jews of 2,000 years ago are today's Palestinians.

The reason that Israel does not have a DNA test to determine who is a Jew and who is not is that virtually none of the people who claim to be Jews today are really Jews genetically.


Originally posted by Deetermined

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Sorry, most of the true "Palestinian Jews" left and the majority of the ones who remain are Muslim. To be a true Jew you have to be a descendant as well as practice Judaism. In fact, it's my understanding that the few Jews who do remain in the area, don't even consider or call themselves Palestinian. They consider themselves "citizens of Israel".
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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He's already mentioned a thousand times that they must fight for it through resistance, not through negotiations.


Supreme Leader’s Speech at International Conference on Palestinian Intifada


Two points should be clarified in advance. The first point is that our demand is the liberation of Palestine, not the liberation of a part of Palestine. Any plan to divide Palestine is completely unacceptable. The two-state idea which has been presented in the self-righteous clothing of "recognizing the Palestinian government as a member of the United Nations" is nothing but giving in to the demands of the Zionists - namely, "recognizing the Zionist government in Palestinian lands". This would mean trampling on the rights of the Palestinian nation, ignoring the historical right of the displaced Palestinians and even jeopardizing the right of the Palestinians settled in "1948 lands". It would mean leaving the cancerous tumor intact and exposing the Islamic Ummah - especially the regional nations - to constant danger. It would mean bringing back decades-long sufferings and trampling upon the blood of the martyrs.

Any operational solution must be based on the principle of "all of Palestine for all Palestinian people". Palestine is the land that extends "from the river to the sea", not one inch less than that. Of course it should be noted that through its elected government, the Palestinian people will run the affairs of the any part of the Palestinian soil they manage to liberate, just as they did in the case of Gaza, but they will never forget the ultimate goal.

The second point is that in order to reach this lofty goal, what is necessary is action, not words. It is necessary to be serious, not to make ceremonial gestures. It is necessary to have patience and wisdom, not engage in a variety of impatient actions. It is necessary to consider horizons that lie far ahead and to move forward step by step with determination, reliance on God and hope. Muslim governments and nations and the resistance groups in Palestine, Lebanon and other countries can each identify their share of work in this general struggle and solve the puzzle of resistance with Allah's permission.


The negotiation and the level is discussed above and no need to focus on Ahmadinejad to see the real foreign policy of Iran towards Israel.

Are you just trying to show Muslims are not people of negotiation ? Like old Westerners used to show native Americans were not people of negotiation to justify the mass murdering ?



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Seriously, do you see the Zionists coming close to capturing all of this...or even trying? Looking at the map, I would say the countries of concern should be Jordan, Syria and Iraq. So, why is Iran the one most concerned? Personally, I say it's only because they are not Muslim.


Iran stands for the 12th Imam who would bring peace and justice to Muslims.

Then after the all stupid silence of other (Muslim) nations about the facts mentioned in Qur'an which are about fighting none-Muslims back made Iran stand that way.

I have made a thread already about Sunni leaders new attitude in Al-Azhar they will change their policy with Israel in future.

ATS Thread



Seriously, do you see the Zionists coming close to capturing all of this...or even trying? Looking at the map, I would say the countries of concern should be Jordan, Syria and Iraq


So , you know what Zionist want in the region better. The truth is that all Muslims (except Wahhabis , for they are not Muslim) do agree that they should help Palestinians stand against Israel occupation.

The fact that those Jews used to live in that area thousand years ago is not going to legitimate Palestine occupation

+ as I discussed before , those people don't care about Judaism . They just want to take Israelite back to the lands. Then they want to rebuild temple of Solomon and then they will slay the red heifer to let the Antichrist arrive.

None of those is going to happen because :
1. Israelite used to live there more than hundred years ago. So , they can not take the lands back as Iran can not take the lands back which Hakhamaneshian Empire lost thousand years ago.

2. The Anti-Christ and other ridiculous stuff of NWO will never be going to success in Mid east , because these people already have an order and that is Islam. We won't let gays marry , we won't legitimate prostitution , we won't bow to the elites , we won't stay silence , we won't let our governments take over other countries and their resources.

3.Israel is a major cause of divide and conquer in the region. And IMO it can be a reason for unity in the region , too. It will take time , but it will happen.

I think after all changes in Egypt and Tunisia , Yemen and Bahrain and after the change in religious capital of Sunni Muslim's world we will be going to see a major change of Foreign policy toward Zionists.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 07:09 AM
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Basically, you've confirmed everything I've said with the exception of thinking there will ever be peace and unity in the region. I know what you're thinking but not saying. That peace and unity will come when the Muslims have control over the whole region. The Muslims believe they have Allah on their side and the Jews think they have God on theirs, so now, only time and God/Allah will tell.



posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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The Muslims believe they have Allah on their side and the Jews think they have God on theirs, so now, only time and God/Allah will tell.


Except Muslims don't legitimate occupying other lands , but those Zionists do.

Muslims will come to peace as long as they learn that they can run their own country while running it by democracy and Islam simultaneously.

I think they are near and they are moving that way.
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posted on Jan, 4 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by hmdphantom
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The Muslims believe they have Allah on their side and the Jews think they have God on theirs, so now, only time and God/Allah will tell.


Except Muslims don't legitimate occupying other lands , but those Zionists do.

Muslims will come to peace as long as they learn that they can run their own country while running it by democracy and Islam simultaneously.

I think they are near and they are moving that way.
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I respectfully disagree. As soon as the Muslims are left to themselves, the Sunnis and Shiites will turn on each other once again to decide which ones should govern.



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