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Iran to fire long-range missiles during drill -news agency

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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Actually the not a very good argument was when it was suggested the reason Iran needs nukes is because politicians in this country dont like their government.




posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Here is the thing...he's going to win because the young/minority is going to vote for him because he's not a republican...since those two types of groups have seen how powerful their vote has become there is nothing that at this time the republicans are pushing that is any interest of them...



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by chrismarco
reply to post by DarknessMatters
 


Here is the thing...he's going to win because the young/minority is going to vote for him because he's not a republican...since those two types of groups have seen how powerful their vote has become there is nothing that at this time the republicans are pushing that is any interest of them...

A great example of the thought process that's fueled by the MSM. There's much greater propaganda at work here than those people want to realize.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by chrismarco
reply to post by DarknessMatters
 


Here is the thing...he's going to win because the young/minority is going to vote for him because he's not a republican...since those two types of groups have seen how powerful their vote has become there is nothing that at this time the republicans are pushing that is any interest of them...


And that's where the absolute "FAIL" lies. It's both parties now and this country has become a country of entitlement. Todays youth is told that it's good to steal from one to give to another and if you vote for me, I'll give you some of that yum, yum stuff. There is a disconnect with the real issue. That that our own government is becoming dictorial itself and to big that not even votes will be able to vcontrol it very much longer!

We've made our bed, might as well try and get comfortable because we are already on the slippery slope!



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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Agreed, but I do believe that Iran should be able to defend themselves as they see fit.

And currently, that is not being allowed.

They are not allowed to build nukes per NPT.

And they can't leave NPT for fear of reprisals.

And that is a bad situation no matter which side you are on. Any person/country/entity backed into a corner is liable to make rash, even stupid, decisions. Why do our leaders insist on backing them into the corner even more with sanctions?

I am a firm believer that the way to diffuse this situation is by removing the sanctions. Even help Iran with their nuclear ambitions. They would have a hard enough time maintaining a totalitarian regime under that, let alone a want to build nuclear for weapons as opposed to just energy.

Remove the fear, from both sides.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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How asinine of you to say. Because one supports the right to exist of another doesn't not mean you're a traitor to your own country. I want the people of Iran to be free and live as a democratic society like they chose to do. It's their clerics that have put them into a situation that they are in.


Anyone who holds another country higher than the USA is a traitor; plain and simple.

Sure you want them to be free, and they are free. Also it is not our job the USA to dictate what they can or cannot do. How would you like it if China came over and told us what to do? What you think is better may not be better for Iranians.

We have to worry about the people of the USA who are losing their freedom right now. You know the patriot act, the NDAA, etc..

How about the fact that we are not free in the USA?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Just watching CNN for fun, and this story is being discussed.

"Washington vows to stop Iran from closing the Strait of Hormuz"

They dished out some other garbage I'm not going to bother repeating.

Their "expert" analysts are trying to milk this one, the sad thing is that I'm actually scared something could happen. I say this a lot, but that region is thick with tension, and it's only a matter of time before things pop off, especially with current country's beating the war drums.

Hopefully I'm wrong and this is just more theatrics.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Fear of reprisals? Thats the part of the argument that makes no sense to me and hear is why.

Israel- worst kept secret yet Russia nor China has reprised against them for having nukes.
India
Pakistan
N. Korea

All have nuclear weapons and all are not signatories to the treaties Iran is. None of those countries have been attacked have they? Are we concerned? absolutely, and we have engaged every single one of them to either sign the relevant treaties or to adopt similar standards on their own and to adopt some openness about their programs.

When N. Korea was referred to the UN security council for being in violation, they withdrew from the agreements, resulting in the loss of standing the UN had in making claims and taking actions against N. Korea. N. Korea has nukes, and are not in violation of any international law for having them. IT doesn't mean the world has to dully accept that situation though, and as such can decide whom they do business with, just as North Korea, as well as Iran, has that same right.

Its simple -
Iran is a signatory to the NPT as well as the IAEA. Abide by those agreements or face the consequences.

If they dont like the agreements, then withdraw from them.

Consider this - If they withdraw, or dont withdraw and reluctantly comply, and it turns out they developed nukes - then what? If they lied about their intentions this entire time in order to obtain them, then could they be lying about never using them if they had them?

The argument they make is the fear of a Jewish bomb. Oppenheimer, Mannheim, Einstein... They are ALL Jewish bombs, including the ones they are wanting to make out of fear of a Jewish bomb. Their argument is fail, plain and simple.
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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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If Iran were to be stupid enough to try and block the straits of Hormuz,it may be the last act it ever performs.
It wouldn't just be US condemnation/action that she would have to countenance,the majority of the western world has a vested interest in keeping the oil moving,even Russia,I believe,would condemn Iran should she adopt this course of action.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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The Iranian drills end in 3 days...

But the drills are not what's dangerous to start a war... the European sanctions being considered are. If they are passed and imposed, that means an embargo of Iran's oil. That means Iran won't be able to import refined oil anymore... that's basically a declaration of war against Iran... of course the average sheeple out there doesn't know that and will say that Iran attacked first when Iran has no choice but to strike back.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 01:53 PM
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The USS Stennis and a guided missile cruiser crossed through the straights of Hormuz with no adverse encounters with the regular Iranian navy. US Naval spokesperson stated both sides observed traditional maritime courtesy maintaining professionalism throughout the encounter. US aircraft were also spotted inside the zone Iran specified during the transit, again with no adverse reactions from either side.

Source



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Iran is the 4th largest producer of Oil in the world. They do not need a Nuclear power plant. Especially in a region with such instability. They have plenty of energy in the oil that they produce every day.


Yes, because oil is going to last forever
. Why can't a country develop a nuclear program to have a backup power supply? Is the bully getting scared that another country is replacing a board with a nail through it with a gun?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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Iran's naval forces have test-fired new classes of domestically-built torpedoes on the fourth day of the ongoing Velayat 90 drill in the Strait of Hormuz and Sea of Oman, Press TV reports.





posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 06:37 PM
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We, nor any other country on the planet, has an issue with Iran developing nuclear power. What we object to is them being signatories to the IAEA and NPT and refusing to allow required inspections on their "civilian nuclear program"

If the program is so peaceful then why the need to have hidden locations not disclosed to the IAEA, refusal to allow access to scientists, and a year long ban on allowing inspectors into certain sites?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Uh-huh.
Do you let American MSM change your diaper as well as spoon feed you?




Please list your sources. Thanks in advance.

Edit: Some NPT parties are adamant that the United States and other nuclear weapon states are not complying with their own obligations, namely, to pursue nuclear disarmament.

So, some countries are expected to follow their obligations because they are signatories, but others don't have to? Please explain...
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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Hooray, more "news" on Iran


2nd.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Apparently no more than you allow propaganda media like RT do it for you.

So the West, intelligence, the east, the UN and the IAEA are all lying about Irans refusal to let inspectors into sites and access to scientists.

If thats the case then how do you explain Irans reasons for doing the above? How do you explain there response and justifications?

Maybe RT can tell us...

or better yet...

Wheel of morality turn turn turn, tell us the lesson we should learn...

/end sarcasm..


Edit to add - take some time to read the NPT and IAEA treaty obligations and you will find your answer BiB.
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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Please see my edit and respond..I am interested to see what you say. Thanks.

Hmm...

At the 2000 NPT Review Conference, the parties agreed to what have become known as the “13 Practical Steps” toward disarmament, but the United States has since withdrawn its support for those steps.



There are no publicly available guidelines for determining how serious a safeguards violation might be; there is no automatic translation from safeguards violations into NPT violations. This may help explain why the IAEA has found many discrepancies, but has not yet formally found Iran to be in noncompliance with its safeguards agreement.



Article XII of the IAEA Statute contains procedures for reporting non-compliance: ...The inspectors shall report any non-compliance to the Director General who shall thereupon transmit the report to the Board of Governors. The Board shall call upon the recipient State or States to remedy forthwith any non-compliance which it finds to have occurred. The Board shall report the non-compliance to all members and to the Security Council and General Assembly of the United Nations. In the event of failure of the recipient State or States to take fully corrective action within a reasonable time, the Board may take one or both of the following measures: direct curtailment or suspension of assistance being provided by the Agency or by a member, and call for the return of materials and equipment made available to the recipient member or group of members. The Agency may also, in accordance with article XIX, suspend any non- complying member from the exercise of the privileges and rights of membership.



This U.S. position is not an “official” finding of the IAEA; the United States has used a different standard than the IAEA in assessing Iran’s compliance.


Still reading...let me know if you need more clarification....
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Edit: the last quote is my favorite!

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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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source please



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Hmmm...if there was only a reason why the US and its allies would like Iran to be the next country "liberated" by its army and occupied...oh yah:


Iran ranks second in the world in natural gas reserves and third in oil reserves. It is OPEC's 2nd largest oil exporter and it has the potential to become an energy superpower.



Sure, here's the source.



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