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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by chr0naut
Consciousness is primary because without it there would be nothing known/seen. When consiousness is removed nothing is experienced. Without experience what would there be?
The people watching the unconscious body/mind are conscious.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
Is it about being right? Is it a competition? Can you win? And what is the ulimate prize?edit on 30-12-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by chr0naut
Consciousness is primary because without it there would be nothing known/seen. When consiousness is removed nothing is experienced. Without experience what would there be?
The people watching the unconscious body/mind are conscious.
Originally posted by Douriff
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
yeah, couldn't agree more!!
"love & light" crowd can be dangerous in some instances.
There are two examples I will add to this thread.
Anyone familiar with the Fritzl case in Austria?
en.wikipedia.org...
Well, needless to say, disgusting case. However, "love and light" crowd tends to justify the case with the notion that Fritzl himself must have been severely abused in his childhood.
Friend of mine, who participated in a spiritual forum discussion, got permanently banned for advocating firm opinion, that Fritzl deserves instant execution, and that there is no need whatsoever to engage in any form of justification.
What to make out of this naive and childish need for tolerance, compassion etc. Tolerance is fine, but tolerance needs at least some limits. Spiritual people would argue about that, mostly refereeing to spiritual development as a necessary prerequisite of deeper understanding of love and light. So, spiritually underdeveloped being will ask for revenge, but spiritually highly developed individuals will find enough space in their harts to embrace even the most severe and monstrous deeds.
Oh, really??
Well, if they can tolerate the most gruesome cruelty, you can imagine what they do in less dramatic instances.
Here we come to the second example.
I was participating in a group meditation with self proclaimed teacher whom I instantly disliked. Well, after the meditation, he invited participants to share their difficult experiences which they expect to improve through meditation practice.
The woman started to talk about her abusive and difficult mother, whom she was constantly sending reiki, asking for mercy and trying to forgive in vain. Situation with the mother is only becoming worse.
Guru then asked the audience for the opinion. I felt compelled to say that all of this is bul#. I had the same problem. Guru rises his eyebrow: "You did?? Are you trying to say that you DON'T have the problem any more."
"Yes, that is exactly what I am saying" Whit his eyebrow up he asked: "How is that so?".
Than I said: "You see, I removed myself from any situation that is not possible to resolve with normal conversation and usual actions. I distanced myself from the drama and from my mother. Problem solved!"
"Oh, no, no, no! You can't solve problems like that without experiencing a divine love." The teacher says.
Oh, really?
So, one should push himself/herself to the limits of tolerance, suffer abuse and expect to feel a divine love.
Something is very wrong with that way of thinking.edit on 30-12-2011 by Douriff because: frflj
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
You will never think for yourself, thought, ideas have been put there, programmed in from an early age. The real you has been replaced by a scared robot.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
The ulimate prize is peace and contentment.
Everyone is looking for happiness.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
Your perception clouds everything and you label so much.
So many ideas about the 'Namaste' crowd. Your ideas ensnare you.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
Unjust violence is no more than unawareness, ignorance.
Happiness, peace and contentment are the goal if you are intelligent.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
Watch how many times you stereo type others. Using words to box others only segregates yourself.
Originally posted by survivaloftheslickest
You probably noticed it there are more and more cases of people involved in ''love and light'' philosophy, telling everyone how good they are, etc. The problem is, they seem to be incredibly naive individuals, manipulated by forces they do not really understand. Whenever anyone wants to challenge them or discuss something of practical merit, they shut down and/or resort to passing judgment on others they view as ''less developed'' or ''those who still have not found the light''. The principle of equality is actually a fascist view of the world with a rosy face attached to it. You cannot discuss certain issues, because they are ''too negative'', everyone is ''equal'', we do not eat meat, etc.. not only does it seem dystopian, it also presents itself as another example of ''group-think'', the mindset which seriously limits one's horizons, leading to creation of rather dull people devoid of any passion. The only difference is, they will throw a rose at you rather than beat you. The mindset is still the same.