Originally posted by blazenresearcher
Originally posted by NorEaster
In the end, each of us will die. And when we do, what we'll embrace as real will be what we've created as expectation. For some, it will be a positive experience, even if completely delusional, and yet, as perception-centric beings, once the reality-anchors have been removed, what is experienced as real will be as real as real can ever be for that which will forever exist as a perception-centric observer.
If the "love and light" thing causes one to love and to be compassionate, then what's the problem? If it causes one to be competitive and ego-centric, then - again - what's the problem. Such a person would find competition and self-aggrandizement within whichever discipline he/she chose to embrace.
As far as the upsetting issue of radical personality changes, everyone that's ever shaken off the shackles of their family's and friend's imposed self-definition has upset "the folks" with their "new way of being". Whether it's college (and brand new scruffy little beards appearing on once clean-shaven boyish faces) or this "love and light" navel gazing response to "what the hell has gotten into you?", it's all part of what a person does when finally released from the smothering blanket of their hometown persona. The ones who never leave, never upset anyone with a radical transformation of behavior and/or general interests. Their changes happen slowly and in front of everyone who's ever bothered to directly mold them.
Namaste is a greeting. Just a greeting. It's Hindu, and while that might freak out a middle-class Christian mom if her boy or girl starts tossing it around, the person has always had the right to seek out their ultimate emotional/psychological expression, and the duty to ensure that it nurtures the identity that each is compelled to craft during corporeal life. Relentless and highly focused competition is the killer, and if saying Namaste somehow clicks in someone's mind as being a social weapon to be used against others, then that's not the greeting's fault. That malignancy belongs to the mind itself. Hell, Christianity is miles worse when it comes to overt and unbridled competition.
I think that all the Hindu narratives are just plain adorable, and having blue cartoon characters for gods isn't the worse foolishness I've ever encountered. I don't know. Believing one version of wrong is no worse than believing another. Both are wrong. In the end, it won't matter much to whatever it is that is being worshiped. Hell, if it doesn't exist, then what's the difference?
Oh...Nor...you make me laugh once again!....Whether you know it or not...you have a sense of humor!
The "love and light" crowd doesn't seem to want to do, or they are unable to do, the dirty work of fighting evil. Avoiding or ignoring "negativity" is not the same thing as overcoming "negativity." Light and love people talk a good game, but in my experience they are some of the nicest, most skittish, fearful people I've ever met. They'd rather "ascend" into the kind of world they think they deserve, rather than see the world for what it is and get their hands dirty here on the ground.
Originally posted by David291
reply to post by Itisnowagain
I see, so doing something good"to fight evil" is still evil? That never made sense to me, I can't just sit idly by ignoring evil if there is something I can do to stop it, with a good deed ofc.
Originally posted by EyesWideShut
I see this thread seems to have caused a lot of undue division. The way I see it , you have people that create and you have people that destroy. The funny part is that most of us switch roles between these two types daily, some hourly. I'm a positive person over all, I tend to give more than I take and help others when I can.... Not for reward or recognition , but because It's the right thing to do. I also try to be thankful for what I have instead of taking it for granted.
It has nothing to do with a particular dogma or spiritual movement and everything to do with my own moral compass and the example I try to set for my children. I've got a high EQ (I think that's the label nowadays) and I'm very sensitive to subtle energies of others and their emotions, the only way I know how to describe this is I think I "feel" more or I'm a little more "tuned in" than your average person.
Because I'm sensitive to these energies, I'm very aware of the type of energy (positive/negative) I'm putting out and I try my best (not always successful) to put out positive energy (love and light or whatever you'd like to label it) to others.
Now, because of my personality, I'm sort of like a mirror...if you're sending out hate and discontent , I'll reflect it right back to you...and some. I'm a "Press to Test" sort of person , if you come looking for a problem, congrats...you found one. It's a part of my personality I'm working on...we're all works in progress right?
At the end of the day, I don't see how people trying to spread "love and light" is a problem. It takes all kinds of people to make this world go round, from trigger pullers to clergymen. As long as someone isn't being a direct hinderance to you and your personal path FIDO.
Live & Let Live
Originally posted by survivaloftheslickest
You probably noticed it there are more and more cases of people involved in ''love and light'' philosophy, telling everyone how good they are, etc. The problem is, they seem to be incredibly naive individuals, manipulated by forces they do not really understand. Whenever anyone wants to challenge them or discuss something of practical merit, they shut down and/or resort to passing judgment on others they view as ''less developed'' or ''those who still have not found the light''. The principle of equality is actually a fascist view of the world with a rosy face attached to it. You cannot discuss certain issues, because they are ''too negative'', everyone is ''equal'', we do not eat meat, etc.. not only does it seem dystopian, it also presents itself as another example of ''group-think'', the mindset which seriously limits one's horizons, leading to creation of rather dull people devoid of any passion. The only difference is, they will throw a rose at you rather than beat you. The mindset is still the same.
Originally posted by 1littlewolf
Okay, before I go off on some well thought out lengthy response which will once again be ignored as the OP and his supporters seem to be unable to move beyond their petty stereotyping and deeming wide-sweeping observations and actually enter into a real discussion with one of those whom they are so quick to put down, can someone please actually define what on Earth is the 'Namaste Crowd'? What is a 'Love and Lighter'?
Cos before I joined this thread these were two terms I'd never heard before and they seem to be some denigrating umbrella term which all those who have a positive spiritualist slant to their way of thinking. So far I've seen it been applied to Buddhists, yoga practitioners, Wiccans, and everyone else here who don't agree with the original post.
How does that mitigate their hypocrisy?
Originally posted by mutatismutandis
Here's the issue with your post my friend, and I do mean no disrespect:
No one in the group your mentioning is going to meetings where everyone is saying you must convert the masses.
Having been on the receiving end of their disdain, it's clear to me that the only thing keeping them from saying so is their conformity to their dogma. Yes, I do mean dogma.
No one in this group is telling individuals if you don't follow this path your going to pay for it in the afterlife.
When belief systems become settled, that's when they become toxic. I think many here would agree that there are plenty of love-n-lighters who, once they found a spiritual clique they fit into, quit looking for the truth as a thirsty man looks for water. It is this complacency that makes it so easy to turn into a hypocrite, even if once you were a sincere seeker. I have spent years in that state during different phases of my life, and what I observe is that most people do the same. However, just because I indulged in a vice for many years does not mean that I have no wisdom to offer those who are currently indulging in said vice.
Most of us have found this path on through our own spirtitual journey, each individual has had their own expieriences that have led them to the belief...
Again, how does the lack of one bad habit mitigate hypocrisy?
Most of us on this path consider ourselves honored when we encounter another individual of the same belief because it is such a rare occurence, and each one's story of how they found their way are so unique. Its not like we're walking around on the streets or knocking on doors asking people if they've "found love" like some faiths.
Maybe for you there is no group. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But, for many "love n lighters", their identity is wrapped up in that image. I am acquainted with one fellow who pretended kindness to a woman friend of mine in 2011 around the time of the Rainbow gathering, managed to get himself allowed to share her tent (not in a romantic way, either), and then proceeded to try to bully/coerce her into having sex with him. But to talk to him on the street, he's all love and light and holding his f***ing hands together in a prayer stance when he talks to you. Just one example.
There is no group mind mentality, because there is no group...those of us on this path are all have different experiences that got us here and come from every walk of life.
You are in the minority in that, says my experience.
The individuals you've experienced that refuse to discuss certain issues I sincerly believe you've just ran into a handfull of individuals that are still figuring out their own spirituality. I can only speak for myself, but I would gladly discuss any issue brought to the table, and have spoken to many others on here that I am sure would gladly do the same.
Only in the world of opposites. What the Great White Brotherhood need is to integrate their own "negative" aspects and recognize that ALL is constructive in this intelligently-evolving universe. Conditional love comes from labeling some things as good and others as bad. This in itself is segregative, not unifying. This is the self-deception of the love and light crowd.
As far as the negativity, there's no excuse for it from anyone of any faith. You cannot claim to be spiritual while being negative at the same time...it only goes one way or the other.
It isn't if you aren't clinging to your beliefs, if you haven't deluded yourself into thinking you KNOW how the world works. Most haven't figured that out yet, and the Buddha left what, 3000 years ago?
As many of us who frequent this site know, any discussion of anyones beliefs its a touchy subject.
So you admit attachment to a stagnant belief system?
..its very difficult anymore to have a discussion on one belief without someone from another taking offense to it, this however does not excuse anyone for being negative or closeminded. That goes for my belief and anyone else's.
Conditional love is an odious sham. I'm beyond being offended by it, but I'll call it out when I see a sanctimonious prick strutting around with his prayer beads. Besides, it's so much fun to watch their puzzled looks when they start to get what you're saying and then jump as if a snake just bit them.
However, love should never offened anyone though.
If we stop appreciating others then what do we have left afterwards? Nothing but a whole bunch of people hating their own existence.
Love is what keeps families together, [...]
Love is a neccessity for our very existance,[...]
Originally posted by sylvie
To put this discussion of definition to rest once and for all (or maybe not), I present to you in good old Jeff Foxworthy style:
How you know if you're a "Love and Lighter"
You may be a "love and lighter" if...
... you are late to any and every appointment and your excuse is that "I'm living in the Here and Now."
... seeing someone who's in a bad mood makes you feel really, REALLY uncomfortable.
... you call everyone "brother" or "sister," even if you met them 30 seconds ago.
... your feet barely touch the ground when you're walking around.
... you have a perpetual, angelic smile plastered on your face.
... most of the news you listen to comes from channelers, mediums, psychic readers or angel communicators.
... you read magazines titled something like "Journal of Emergence."
... you greet everyone with "Namaste" and sign your emails with "Love & Light."
... your business card says "Ascended Master."
... your first (or last) name is Morning Star, Little Star, Star Child, Rainbow, Lotus, or any other celestial body/phenomenon or flower.
... your new first name is Antara, Beshiwar, Samsara, or Morgana, and was given to you by a spiritually advanced Pleiadian whom you're in continual contact with.
... you refuse to deal with everyday chores and challenges because you're doing "God's work" and can't be bothered with worldly matters.
... your last major disappointment was when your sand mandala got all messed up.
... your last major success was to create the perfect sand mandala.
... your Saturday night entertainment consists of an "authentic" Native American drumming circle, an archangel communication group and a Tara trance dance.
... you found that your spiritual practices and raised vibration sensitized your body so much that you're now allergic to almost everything.
... the word "darkness" makes you shudder.
Feel free to add to this list!