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Originally posted by artistpoet
Oh Heart! What hurt hath built a wall round thee
When did love become the enemy
That unrequited came undone
And left a world so barren
My love lays bleeding rosy red
It's cruel thorns smite my weary head
Oh if only I had understood
Would I have ever pledged my love
This walking coffin of stardust flesh
That does my sacred soul enmesh
Is no longer pleasing to your eyes
And it is my soul forlorn that crys
Above the rooftops of the town
A pair of doves flutter down
As the light of the world grows ever dim
My eyes transfixed turn to Him
Whom gazed into my soul and I "Got it"
His unconditional love, His spirit
Unspoken now let it suffice
This love is not a sacrifice.
Originally posted by survivaloftheslickest
You probably noticed it there are more and more cases of people involved in ''love and light'' philosophy, telling everyone how good they are, etc. The problem is, they seem to be incredibly naive individuals, manipulated by forces they do not really understand. Whenever anyone wants to challenge them or discuss something of practical merit, they shut down and/or resort to passing judgment on others they view as ''less developed'' or ''those who still have not found the light''. The principle of equality is actually a fascist view of the world with a rosy face attached to it. You cannot discuss certain issues, because they are ''too negative'', everyone is ''equal'', we do not eat meat, etc.. not only does it seem dystopian, it also presents itself as another example of ''group-think'', the mindset which seriously limits one's horizons, leading to creation of rather dull people devoid of any passion. The only difference is, they will throw a rose at you rather than beat you. The mindset is still the same.
Originally posted by CharonIncarnate
reply to post by survivaloftheslickest
I am confused how someone can be so mad at people who show love and comassion? Are you in such a miserable state of mind that it makes you feel better to complain about something like that? I mean if you dont agree with something cant you keep it to yourself? Do you have to spread the negativity? I dont care for politics, but i dont start threads about how stupid everyone is for talking about politics. Its easier to just let them be. If you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. This thread was started to argue about nothing. Pointless bickering.
Originally posted by jimnuggits
I am sad for you OP.
That you feel that wishing others positive things is somehow an exercise of the brainwashed means you have taken critical thinking to its most negative connotation.
It is one thing to have your own beliefs, another to negate someone else's.
'Namaste' is simply a word meaning the light within me is honored to recognize the light within you.
If that offends you, or allows you to think that the purveyors of that sentiment are brainwashed, perhaps you should reevaluate your own attitude towards life a bit.
It harms none to be positive, even in the face of the world's negativity. Being optimistic is not a sign of naivete, nor some weakness of mind.
Without optimism, nothing is possible. WIth it, everything is.
Peace, love light and groovy unicorn moonbeams to you, weary traveler.
Namaste.
Originally posted by sylvie
Originally posted by survivaloftheslickest
You probably noticed it there are more and more cases of people involved in ''love and light'' philosophy, telling everyone how good they are, etc. The problem is, they seem to be incredibly naive individuals, manipulated by forces they do not really understand. Whenever anyone wants to challenge them or discuss something of practical merit, they shut down and/or resort to passing judgment on others they view as ''less developed'' or ''those who still have not found the light''. The principle of equality is actually a fascist view of the world with a rosy face attached to it. You cannot discuss certain issues, because they are ''too negative'', everyone is ''equal'', we do not eat meat, etc.. not only does it seem dystopian, it also presents itself as another example of ''group-think'', the mindset which seriously limits one's horizons, leading to creation of rather dull people devoid of any passion. The only difference is, they will throw a rose at you rather than beat you. The mindset is still the same.
I know exactly what you mean. I lived in Sedona, AZ, the New Age Mecca of the Southwest, for more than two years. At first I was extremely impressed how loving and spiritual those people were, but soon enough my roommate and I started seeing behind the "love and light" facade and further on called them the "bull# people."
Most of them seem very loving and spiritually advanced, but once you get to know them better, they're very much about talking the talk but not walking the walk. One example: There was a guy I knew, R., who considered himself a spiritual teacher and preached all day long at the local hangout. He always humbly said that he was only "doing God's work" and loved to throw out lines like "The heart is the key, and the key is the heart," a wisdom that had been revealed to him one day when he took a walk in the desert.
On the other hand, that same guy, instead of getting a job, would find gullible women to support him financially because he was too busy doing "God's work" to actually get his hands dirty. He treated those women like slaves; they had do his bidding and serve him like a king, and they weren't allowed to go anywhere by themselves because his pathological jealousy wouldn't allow for them having a life of their own.
He also had a seven-year-old daughter from a previous marriage who lived in town, but he was too busy doing "God's work" to ever visit her or come up with the child support he owed. He didn't even call her on her birthday. What an ass. Last I heard of him was that he had figured out that he was the reincarnation of the Hopi's legendary "Great White Brother" and was going to make his way to Hopiland to introduce himself.
He might have been one of the most extreme examples, but he was really just one of many. I noticed that all those "loving, spiritual people" would vanish immediately as soon as you'd have a REAL problem and needed someone to talk to. Let's say you were totally broke or going through a horrible divorce or some such, they'd immediately shut down because they didn't want to expose themselves to such "negative vibes."
At last I figured out that their "love and light" demeanor was just another form of escapism. What I learned from my psychological and spiritual studies is that you can't become "whole" until you take a good, hard look at your own Shadow (in the sense of C.G. Jung) and learn to integrate these not-so-nice elements into your being and work on changing them from a place of acceptance. Unfortunately there's nothing the "love and lighters" are more scared of than their own Shadow sides, and they would do anything to avoid having to acknowledge that they even exist.
Even more unfortunate, the L&Ls make extremely easy prey for what I call the "Dark Side" (my term for what others might call demons, evil spirits, etc.). On the one hand, many L&Ls engage in spiritual practices to "raise their consciousness/vibration," to "communicate with ascended masters," and so forth. These practices can turn a person into a virtual beacon in the murky landscape of zombie humans as which the Dark Side might perceive this earth plane. On the other hand, due to their total denial of anything dark or negative, the L&Ls are usually not well protected against potential onslaughts from the Dark Side and thus present easy pickings for astral villains. I could tell you stories...
So, in conclusion, yes, I think we need more love, compassion and goodwill on this planet... but not in the zombie-like fashion the L&Ls present. We all need to be more discerning and reasonable at the same time. Head in the clouds and feet firmly planted on the ground is the right mix, IMO.
Originally posted by followtheevidence
True transformation doesn’t come on a bed of light, feathers, and peace; at times it comes on a bed of suffering, poverty, and death.
I was lost in neo-agism for a while, and only felt increasingly estranged as I delved into the vacuous nonsensicality of it it all. At its center, the logic completely breaks down.
Aside from the claims of this movement being all over the place, filled with too many spiritual authorities (ascended masters, ET's, beings of light, etc,.) all heralding opposing messages ... the basic philosophy tries to sequester fundamental human experiences into categories that just don't exist. There is no either/or - there is only both/and.
We are at once: violent, benign, beautiful, ugly, creative, mundane, loving, hateful, kind, cruel, noble, corrupt, turmoiled, content, apathetic, passionate, wearied, determined, scared, brave, intelligent, idiotic, mistaken, wise, prideful, humble, greedy, giving, fallen, and redeemable beings.
Ignoring one sphere of the human ethos in an attempt to embrace the other just isn't how it works.
A heart sheathed from pain is closed to love.
No, but life definied as zombified adherence to some imaginary principles does seem a tad odd, if you ask me. Your life, your choice
Namaste is derived from Sanskrit and is a combination of two words, "Namo Aste". In detail, "Naman Astitva" means the recognition of one's existence by another person. In other words, when one says "Namaste" to another it means "I salute or recognize your presence or existence in society and the universe."
Originally posted by NorEaster
In the end, each of us will die. And when we do, what we'll embrace as real will be what we've created as expectation. For some, it will be a positive experience, even if completely delusional, and yet, as perception-centric beings, once the reality-anchors have been removed, what is experienced as real will be as real as real can ever be for that which will forever exist as a perception-centric observer.
If the "love and light" thing causes one to love and to be compassionate, then what's the problem? If it causes one to be competitive and ego-centric, then - again - what's the problem. Such a person would find competition and self-aggrandizement within whichever discipline he/she chose to embrace.
As far as the upsetting issue of radical personality changes, everyone that's ever shaken off the shackles of their family's and friend's imposed self-definition has upset "the folks" with their "new way of being". Whether it's college (and brand new scruffy little beards appearing on once clean-shaven boyish faces) or this "love and light" navel gazing response to "what the hell has gotten into you?", it's all part of what a person does when finally released from the smothering blanket of their hometown persona. The ones who never leave, never upset anyone with a radical transformation of behavior and/or general interests. Their changes happen slowly and in front of everyone who's ever bothered to directly mold them.
Namaste is a greeting. Just a greeting. It's Hindu, and while that might freak out a middle-class Christian mom if her boy or girl starts tossing it around, the person has always had the right to seek out their ultimate emotional/psychological expression, and the duty to ensure that it nurtures the identity that each is compelled to craft during corporeal life. Relentless and highly focused competition is the killer, and if saying Namaste somehow clicks in someone's mind as being a social weapon to be used against others, then that's not the greeting's fault. That malignancy belongs to the mind itself. Hell, Christianity is miles worse when it comes to overt and unbridled competition.
I think that all the Hindu narratives are just plain adorable, and having blue cartoon characters for gods isn't the worse foolishness I've ever encountered. I don't know. Believing one version of wrong is no worse than believing another. Both are wrong. In the end, it won't matter much to whatever it is that is being worshiped. Hell, if it doesn't exist, then what's the difference?