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Topic started on 30-12-2011 @ 03:49 AM by xuenchen

In a bold statement by The European Union's special envoy to the Southern Mediterranean,
Bernardino Leon said:

"It is much more difficult to have wars with democracies,"

That was his wisdon that he does not believe Israel need fear the rise of Islamist governments in Egypt.

Well then, WHAT should they fear ?

The article continues without much further elaboration or explanations !!

Haaretz Latest update 00:51 30.12.11

Leon said he believes that for the new governments being established in the region in the coming months, Israel will be a marginal issue. "The focus will be on internal issues and on building new societies," he said. "They need stability to create jobs for the people and they will have to move from the symbolic world to the real world to bring back tourists and investors."

He said the Muslim Brotherhood will have to move from the comfort of the opposition, to a point of bearing responsibility.

Mr. Leon seems pretty sure of himself here,
BUT ..... how about those "impacts" ?

Leon was in Israel to present the EU's position on the regime changes in the Arab world to government leaders in Jerusalem, and to bring a calming message as to the impact the changes will have on Israel.

Leon met with National Security Adviser Yaakov Amidror, with Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon and with more than 20 Israeli ambassadors to the EU, on Thursday.

EU envoy: Israel has nothing to fear from regional rise of Islamists

reply posted on 30-12-2011 @ 04:26 AM by Panic2k11

reply to post by xuenchen

Do not see any untruth on the statement, no nation takes war lightly and in a democracy the people at least should have a say and are a force against waste of life.

It is easier for North Korea to restart the conflict that South Korea, just look to how tame they have responded to the sinking of their ship or the shelling of their citizens. Why do you think the response was not stronger, because it would have a extremely higher costs, now imagine the reverse...

reply posted on 30-12-2011 @ 04:59 AM by Soapusmaximus

From what I can see, In Egypt and more than likley Libya too, is military rule (with Muslim Brotherhood oversight),

And no say from the Citizens of Egypt, about any decisions made in their homeland.

Prepare, in the not too distant future, for the rise of a Islamic superstate, (In my opinion of course).

Its so sad what the Western Elites have done to the Middle East, and Africa

reply posted on 30-12-2011 @ 08:48 AM by xuenchen

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by xuenchen

Do not see any untruth on the statement, no nation takes war lightly and in a democracy the people at least should have a say and are a force against waste of life.

It is easier for North Korea to restart the conflict that South Korea, just look to how tame they have responded to the sinking of their ship or the shelling of their citizens. Why do you think the response was not stronger, because it would have a extremely higher costs, now imagine the reverse...

I find the statement a bit ironic because,

The recent Islamic targets have actually found it pretty "easy" to be at war with the NATO "democracies".

And the citizens of those "democracies" had/have very little to say about military actions undertaken by their governments.

The U.S. is a good example.

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reply posted on 30-12-2011 @ 05:04 PM by Panic2k11

reply to post by xuenchen

What "Islamic democracies" are you talking about ? Libya ? Iraq ? Taliban controlled Afghanistan ? Did NATO attack any other nation... ?

The EU envoy was talking to Israel (so the phrase does not need to apply in the reverse context). Israel and the USA are not really democracies since in the first not all citizens are treated equal and in the second we have a nation that is controlled by corporations.

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reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 12:51 AM by xuenchen

Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by xuenchen

What "Islamic democracies" are you talking about ? Libya ? Iraq ? Taliban controlled Afghanistan ? Did NATO attack any other nation... ?

The EU envoy was talking to Israel (so the phrase does not need to apply in the reverse context). Israel and the USA are not really democracies since in the first not all citizens are treated equal and in the second we have a nation that is controlled by corporations.

edit on 30-12-2011 by Panic2k11 because: (no reason given)

You misunderstand.

NATO "democracies" (in quotes), not Islamic.

I agree - Israel and the USA are not democracies.

The easiest way to hide truth is to feign the facts.

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reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 03:07 AM by hmdphantom

reply to post by xuenchen

I think we should add this to see the true actions and reactions between EU and Israel.

Israel does not need lessons in democracy from Europe, not even Britain, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Sunday, an indication Jerusalem is still stinging over a harsh condemnation of its policies last week by three key European powers.

The four current members of the UN Security Council - Britain, France, Germany and Portugal - publicly censured Israel last week for continuing to build beyond the Green Line, and called on it to bring "price tag" law-breakers to justice.

"We have nothing to apologize for," Lieberman said during a speech at the Foreign Ministry to the annual meeting of Israel's heads of embassies and consulates abroad.

He said Israel does not have anything to be ashamed of in front of the European states.

Lieberman, whose ministry last week issued a statement saying that Europe risked losing relevancy if it continued to reflexively condemn Israel and re-interpret various Quartet statements regarding how to restart negotiations with the Palestinians, said in reference to the "price-tag" attacks that Israel did not need advice on how to deal with wild weeds breaking the law in Judea and Samaria, or anywhere else in the country.

In shockingly arrogant remarks, Lieberman said that the four European countries need to understand that construction in the West Bank was not the obstacle to peace, redisplaying the Zionist regime's wild and arrogant nature.

The Zionist official rejected peace with the Palestinians and said his regime is not interested in a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Turning to Iran, Lieberman said that some European countries and leaders seemed to feel that they needed to impose sanctions on Iran more to calm down Israel than to stop the Iranian nuclear program.

FNA

reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 04:19 AM by Panic2k11

reply to post by xuenchen

Sorry for my miss-understanding but still can't make sense of your statement. Since NATO is fundamentally a USA led force that is not only a arm of USA geopolitics but also a guarantee that other nations will by USA armament and discloses their own strategic interests and the results of mutually beneficial information gathering. I would not consider that NATO serves most nations that are invested in it interests, participation at times is almost an obligation to remains significative and in god status, just look on how the French got treated in the matter of Iraq.

The USA,UK and Israel are today the world's pariah nations with increasingly approaches by Canada and Australia. This in matters of International Policy, External affairs, Economic encroachment, use of military force and respect for personal rights and freedoms and even major responsibilities in Environmental and Food pollution.

So stating that new arising Islamic democracies (that was the intention of the EU envoy meaning) will be an bigger issue to Israel than the previous governments seems logically correct.

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reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 06:09 AM by xuenchen

reply to post by Panic2k11

I still find Leon's statement ironic.

Islamic "democracies" (whether self proclaimed or recognized by the West) like Turkey and Iran certainly have been pains in the butt for Israel.

He may be implying that Libya and Egypt in particular should be less of a war threat to Israel if and when they become Islamic "democracies".

Israel views Islam as a threat, no matter to them what kind of government structure exists.

reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 03:24 PM by Panic2k11

reply to post by xuenchen

That was the idea. In my haste to reply to you I missed the negative "will be an bigger" should have been "will not be a bigger", so we are somewhat in accord to what the EU envoy seemed to intend to express, and that the statement is valid, even if Israel as other poster have pointed out seems not to agree, that does not make them right.

reply posted on 31-12-2011 @ 11:32 PM by xuenchen

reply to post by Panic2k11

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oh yah....

They are very clever and sneeky and rarely very clear !

Happy New Year !

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