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Topic started on 30-12-2011 @ 01:46 AM by gariac
I noticed flightaware.com can now decode some of the Janet flight routes. Here is a random route:
flightaware.com...
I suppose that link will eventually not work, so here is the data on the page:
The columns probably don't line up, but you get the idea. Now many of these fixes can be found in aviation databases such as at airnav.com
www.airnav.com...
But FIDOE has been unpublished for years. You can find it mentioned on the old alt.conspiracy.area51 usenet. Somewhere around mid December 2011, these military reporting points (fixes) started to show up on the internet. I tracked down the file deep in the bowels of the FAA interwebs, and compiled a list of the fixes relevant to Groom Lake and the Tonopah Test Range. I expect the online databases will eventually catch up with the FAA data, so I will skip how to get the data.
I put the fixes in this PDF:
www.lazygranch.com...
If you go to airnav.com and then go to the TTR, you can find instrument routes and such, but the fixes in the routes were always unpublished. The list I created now has this previously unpublished fixes. Here is how to get to the Tonopah Test Range on airnav.com:
www.airnav.com...
Clicking on "ILS OR LOC/DME RWY 14" will pull up a pdf with the fixes JADPU, JEPAR, etc. These fixes can be found on my list.
There are plenty of fixes that you can hear over the scanner that are not listed yet. SHOWW is one that shows up on internet tracking, but is not released yet. Over the scanner, you can hear ABBIE (abby), SMOKY (smokey), etc.
My suspicion behind all this is since the TTR procedures went on line, they had to eventually release the unpublished fixes. Since routing to the Groom Lake is not published over the internet, they probably won't release the those fixes.
For a quick review, routes related to Groom Lake are at altitudes of 14k or 15k. Routes to the TTR are higher. The Tonopah Test Range (TNX) is nearly always listed as the airport, even if they go to Groom Lake. Every once in a while they will list Groom Lake as TKM.
I'm using fix and reporting point interchangeably, even though they are a bit different.
flightaware.com...
I suppose that link will eventually not work, so here is the data on the page:
KTNX EXITT JAYSN FIDOE KEPEC KEPEC2 KLAS
Name Type Latitude Longitude
KTNX Origin Airport 37.7946597 -116.7786747
EXITT MIL-REP-PT 36.9201639 -116.1426278
JAYSN Waypoint (RNAV) 36.5737444 -116.0407278
FIDOE Waypoint (RNAV) 36.2698444 -115.4991250
KEPEC Waypoint 36.0005556 -115.5622222
IPUMY Reporting Point 36.0310556 -115.3753333
NIPZO Waypoint 36.0185556 -115.2028333
SUNST Waypoint 36.0102778 -115.0808333
BLD VOR-TAC (NAVAID) 35.9957778 -114.8635833
KIMME Waypoint 35.9952778 -114.8305556
CHIPZ Waypoint 35.9805556 -114.6083333
POKRR Waypoint 36.0681667 -114.5996389
PRINO Reporting Point 36.0732222 -114.7274722
KLAS Destination Airport 36.0800556 -115.1522500
The columns probably don't line up, but you get the idea. Now many of these fixes can be found in aviation databases such as at airnav.com
www.airnav.com...
But FIDOE has been unpublished for years. You can find it mentioned on the old alt.conspiracy.area51 usenet. Somewhere around mid December 2011, these military reporting points (fixes) started to show up on the internet. I tracked down the file deep in the bowels of the FAA interwebs, and compiled a list of the fixes relevant to Groom Lake and the Tonopah Test Range. I expect the online databases will eventually catch up with the FAA data, so I will skip how to get the data.
I put the fixes in this PDF:
www.lazygranch.com...
If you go to airnav.com and then go to the TTR, you can find instrument routes and such, but the fixes in the routes were always unpublished. The list I created now has this previously unpublished fixes. Here is how to get to the Tonopah Test Range on airnav.com:
www.airnav.com...
Clicking on "ILS OR LOC/DME RWY 14" will pull up a pdf with the fixes JADPU, JEPAR, etc. These fixes can be found on my list.
There are plenty of fixes that you can hear over the scanner that are not listed yet. SHOWW is one that shows up on internet tracking, but is not released yet. Over the scanner, you can hear ABBIE (abby), SMOKY (smokey), etc.
My suspicion behind all this is since the TTR procedures went on line, they had to eventually release the unpublished fixes. Since routing to the Groom Lake is not published over the internet, they probably won't release the those fixes.
For a quick review, routes related to Groom Lake are at altitudes of 14k or 15k. Routes to the TTR are higher. The Tonopah Test Range (TNX) is nearly always listed as the airport, even if they go to Groom Lake. Every once in a while they will list Groom Lake as TKM.
I'm using fix and reporting point interchangeably, even though they are a bit different.
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