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reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 12:58 AM by drakus

Great thread! S & F.
It's great to have people of the field here, it's always been a topic of interest to me.
I envy those who can access this excavations and actually BE there, where that happened, be able to touch those walls, man...

reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 01:20 AM by Hanslune

Originally posted by drakus
Great thread! S & F.
It's great to have people of the field here, it's always been a topic of interest to me.
I envy those who can access this excavations and actually BE there, where that happened, be able to touch those walls, man...

Howdy

Look at the top of the stickies, info on how to join an expedition as a volunteer

Yes that was a memorable site (content of what was found not the physical site which was rather typical) I wrote two pages of notes but also added half a page on the lunch I had in Heraklion (Kolokithokeftedes) and and another half page on the two Danish grad students (female) I had the lunch with. After six month or so in Saudi Arabia I was VERY glad to talk to any person who didn't have a beard and a sour, pompous attitude.

reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 03:52 AM by Omphale

Originally posted by Mad Simian
How's about he wasn't being castrated or sacrificed but had gone to the temple for bloodletting? Unfortunately for the poor young man, he just happened to pick a bad day to go to 'the doctor' to have the 'procedure' done and ended up bleeding to death when his caretakers were killed in the earthquake.

After all, bloodletting has historical precedence for the general area and time in question moreso than castration and/or sacrifice does.
edit on 1/7/2012 by Mad Simian because: (no reason given)

Again, I agree, which is why I still want some clarification of this claimed 'forensic fact' that the presence of blood affects the way bones burn....nothing forthcoming so far from the OP...

Therefore, I stand by my conclusion that for such and effect to have occured, the body must have been dead for some time, at least twenty minutes, for that effect to have occurred...

Hanslune...since you have been at the site...can you point me in the direction of the pathology report or who did the report...I find it bizarre that anyone with any medical knowledge would come to a conclusion that the body was 'half-drained' of blood...not this century anyway...I would be interested to know where the 'expertise' for such a conclusion came from, there seems to be an alarming trend for sensationalism in an attempt to draw funding, I can't help but feel that this is the case here...

reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 11:08 AM by Hanslune

More information on Anemospilia

PDF on the site with a good reconstruction image at the end

For Omphale's interesting question:

We now believed we knew the true story of Anemospilia. But confirming it would require expert help. We
turned to our friends at the University of Athens. Dr. Alexandros Contopoulos, professor of anthropology
and director of the Athens Medical School Anthropological Museum, joined us in Crete with his assistant,
Dr. Theodoros Pitsios. So did Dr. Antonios Koutselinis, assistant professor of criminology at Athens
University and a master of the coroner's art.

"There is evidence that when a body with its blood supply intact is burned, the bones turn black,"
explained Dr. Contopoulos. "But if the blood has been drained before the fire, the bones will remain white.
"When we looked closely at this skeleton, we saw that the bones of the left side, which was uppermost,
were white, while those on the right side were black. Thus, I believe that half this man's blood had been
drained before the fire. The loss was more than enough to kill him. The heart stopped pumping, leaving
blood still in the body's lowerside."

Another source:

Anemospilia

Now bone turns colour based on the heat of the burn:

Colour of burned bones

...So on what scientific basis does the good Greek doctor make the statement about the bone colour and blood? Omphale do you expertise in this medical area? Is this a medical urban legend?

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reply posted on 9-1-2012 @ 04:16 PM by Mad Simian

I hadn't heard of anemospilia before and I haven't read the links Hanslune has provided but my educated guess is that the layman explanation for why bones get 'scorched' when blood is present has something to do with blood being a source of oxygen or some other element/substance that aids in the burn process(although I'd say oxygen is the most likely suspect).

Could someone tell me how close I was before I go and read the medical links?

reply posted on 10-1-2012 @ 10:46 AM by Hanslune

Originally posted by Mad Simian
I hadn't heard of anemospilia before and I haven't read the links Hanslune has provided but my educated guess is that the layman explanation for why bones get 'scorched' when blood is present has something to do with blood being a source of oxygen or some other element/substance that aids in the burn process(although I'd say oxygen is the most likely suspect).

Could someone tell me how close I was before I go and read the medical links?

Getting lazy in your dotage? Seems to be heat is the dominant factor. I'm hoping Omphale will return with information on this being a medical myth.

reply posted on 10-1-2012 @ 04:43 PM by Mad Simian

No duh, sherlock. lol The more oxygen a fire has access to, the hotter it's going to get and/or the longer it's going to burn.

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reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 06:34 AM by Omphale

Originally posted by Hanslune
More information on Anemospilia

PDF on the site with a good reconstruction image at the end

Though a very nice piece of writing, it is pure fiction, based on some very circumstantial evidence. But it is nice that they are so enthusiastic, even if it has clouded their rationale.

Originally posted by Hanslune

We now believed we knew the true story of Anemospilia. But confirming it would require expert help. We
turned to our friends at the University of Athens. Dr. Alexandros Contopoulos, professor of anthropology
and director of the Athens Medical School Anthropological Museum, joined us in Crete with his assistant,
Dr. Theodoros Pitsios. So did Dr. Antonios Koutselinis, assistant professor of criminology at Athens
University and a master of the coroner's art.

"There is evidence that when a body with its blood supply intact is burned, the bones turn black,"
explained Dr. Contopoulos. "But if the blood has been drained before the fire, the bones will remain white.
"When we looked closely at this skeleton, we saw that the bones of the left side, which was uppermost,
were white, while those on the right side were black. Thus, I believe that half this man's blood had been
drained before the fire. The loss was more than enough to kill him. The heart stopped pumping, leaving
blood still in the body's lowerside."

Another source:

Anemospilia

Now bone turns colour based on the heat of the burn:

Colour of burned bones

...So on what scientific basis does the good Greek doctor make the statement about the bone colour and blood? Omphale do you expertise in this medical area? Is this a medical urban legend?