Is Christianity Really Brainwashing?, page 22

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:58 PM

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I like christ......he is a savior....mesiah.....he will save us

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by ventian
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Best selling book year in and year out worldwide is "The Bible".

While this is true, it doesn't mean much. Porn is quite popular, and illicit drugs are continual best-sellers in that market (addicts). Popularity says nothing about truth, desirability, quality, etc. The Bible's on-going popularity does, however, say a lot about humanity.

shell69

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:05 PM

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reply to post by andersensrm

I've had three children and trust me, they can be pretty disgusting vile and destroy almost everything in their path

I still LOVE them and would DIE for them, because I understand that I have knowledge they do not, and that they simply need to grow and learn. God constantly refers to Himself as a "father" to help us understand that we do not know all things, but one day will. He loves us and Jesus died for us, that is what I believe. Not because I read it, or someone told me that was what I should believe.

I reached out to God, and he did prove himself to me, many ways- many times. This is just my opinion and beliefs, I would never try to argue or force that on anyone. Only God can show himself to you, the bible says miracles are for unbelievers, I believe this is true. I've seen miracles in my life and often have told others about these experiences and I hope that what God has done in my life, and my sharing that with others brought them to a point where they reached out to God also, and found the truth for themselves.

ShadowOblivionX

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:05 PM

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Christianity in of itself is not brainwashing but I can see how it, and any other religion, can be interpreted as so. I am a Christian, I have been my whole life, and within the last year i really started questioning my religion after i began to see the true corruption of this world. I went on my own journey not to prove the Bible correct, but to prove it wrong. I felt that by doing it that way i would be able to see the other side more clearly. I approached it with an open mind. My mother, who is very strong in her faith, at first could not fathom why i would be questioning the bible. After explaining to her my loss of faith in truth in the world she slowly began to understand. I simply told her that if the bible is the truth and Jesus is God then she does not need to worry because i will not be able to find any evidence saying otherwise. She accepted this. I feel like I'm going off on a tangent but my point of that story was how i believe she is a metaphor for how the church looks at that. They tell us its ok to question God but when proof or evidence is asked for they always just say "have faith," which is something i could just not accept.

It seems that most religious people just have blind faith in their religion without anything really backing up what they believe. This i find stupid. You should never just believe. We are human. We have faults. We lie.

If you believe Christianity or any other religion is corrupt or brainwashing then just search for your own truth. But dont condemn a religion just because its full of idiots. There will always be idiots, that shouldn't discredit a religion.

And just in case you were wondering, I'm still Christian. My journey so far has found no evidence proving Jesus was not the Christ. I'm not saying the Bible is inerrant (I realize the earth wasnt made in a week and i also realize the gospels do not tell the exact same story), but hey, we are human.

Also, I'm not looking to debate and I don't want your "evidence." That was not the point of my post. Just wanted to give my 2 cents.

dilly1

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by dilly1

No I don't concoct these stories to keep myself busy. I think about these things to further my understanding of life. To take your approach and to just not think about anything, becuase thinking about anything is pointless, because we can't possibly concieve what is really going on. So then what is the point of doing anything? Not sure what you are proposing here. Nobody think outside the box, nobody think about where we come from, or where life originates from, because it pointless???? We come to an understanding of things by discussing things, and finding how not to do things, until finally we find out how to do it, or how it works. 500 years ago, people had no possible idea of how to get to the moon. Taking you're approach we would never get to the moon, because 500 years ago it was deemed that there was no way to get there. Good approach if you want to go down the path everyone else is goin down to a more primitive versions of ourselves. We are here to evolve, not devolve.

And ,,your understanding of life is a theory. We haven't progressed. You think we did ,but we haven't. Its all in your mind. You think having a short stay on the moon is an accomplishmeant? Wow...what your doing is like giving your self medicine,,, it will ware off. Its just a shot in the arm.

What's the point you say? Exactly that,, there is no point. Our lives are way too short to be thinking about these irrelevant(currently irrelevant) daunting questions.

What I am proposing is since we do not live long enough to meditate(not buddha), too truly contemplate our minds long enough to even grasp let alone solve the meaning of life.....lol....I'm sorry I had laugh a bit ,because I can't understand why so few realistically see its extremely wrong in injecting fantasy (for the addictive need) to fill the daunting gaps of life. We need to suppress aging ,not in a cosmetic level,but with an internal level. That is where our short stints in life should be focusing on. We need to dedicate real time on solving these impossible questions. And this will take thousands of years. You think your in the future? That this is some high-tech world? Its all in your mind. We have been going around in circles for ages. We are a recycling society. And don't mean environmental recycling..lol

Not saying don't be curious or give up ,by all means enjoy your short stint. But don't think for a second any of us humans(average life: 62.2 years) could solve the "overwhelming". ....If you try, you'll end up dumbing down it to something generic like GOD or Theoretical science.

If you want to do that , go right ahead. You are entitled to your opinion ,but the is a forum right.

Gorman91

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:14 PM

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It is selfish to think that such a being would have so much care for us as humans.

Love binds all and frees all. Why does the rich king fall in love with the peasant woman with nothing to her but a pretty face and a good soul? Why does the educated woman fall in love with a cancer patient whom won't be much worth to her? Why does the college educated man fall in love with a mentally challenged woman whom can't do much for herself.

In addition.

Why does the father love his rebellious son? Why does the mother care for her horrid daughter?

The scales in these questions are really no different for God. So to say that God's love for us is grossly overstated is really in the face of everything that is true about love.

Lastly. Why do I protect so carefully the first finished architectural model I ever made? The thing is hideous. It ought to be burned. But yet it still exists.

The love of one to another is a great mystery. And it does exist. Insomuch as I protect a great effort that is not much to show for, I would love even more so a woman I desired irregardless to her flaws.

Why would God be any different?

artistpoet

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:15 PM

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I believe that Jesus existed and that much of his teaching/message has been censored out of history.
Decietful ones who take His truth and twist it in order to gain power over others are those who create religion
The truth is within all of us and it is up to us to make the effort and not expect it of Jesus.
He set the example of how we can be - He never set himself above others, He loved Humanity - But do these pompous ones who dress in pantomime costumes and speak down to us aloft in their pulpits - I think not.
I am not religous - I am not a Christain or a Jew or Buddist or Muslim or Hindu or any such label.

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GambitVII

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:23 PM

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reply to post by autowrench

You must be brainwashed to believe that christians are brainwashed. I wouldn't be on this website if I didn't ask questions.

Your shred of 'proof' wouldn't hold in 'the court room'. And if you can't think about a more rational answer tor your own questions, then you've only outed yourself as an ignorant and deluded individual.

How about this topic: Is atheism really brainwashing?
There are a number of symptoms such as the constant rebellion to the right of religious beliefs. Not even religion itself, but the right of belief. Next, they impose their sense of morality upon others when by the standards of Natural selection, only superficially exists. Finally, a vast majority support 'science' religiously when 'science' is merely a way of understanding what were capable of observing. When was the last time atheists put down their pride, questioned themselves, and figured out humans hardly know squat about the world around us?

Most atheists even have superficial beliefs such as matters of the occult or the concept of destiny.
Furthermore, most atheists religiously accept evolution as the ONLY way, denying any probable cause for the root of all life on earth. (regardless of whether they support intelligent design or not)

So I ask again, is atheism really brainwashing? Regardless of the answer, atheists are too busy asking questions that only support the answers they are looking for. Pretty stupid for the self proclaiming title for 'rational thinkers'.

newyorkee

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:27 PM

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If christianity openly taught how to brainwash...like if it was a religion that taught the greatness and goodness of brainwashing people......would it then be brainwashing in the sense that it actually advocated it....?¿?¿?¿

dilly1

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by dilly1

Everyday people, Police Officers, Military people, Christopher Columbus, Jimmy Carter, Ronold Regan....These are the people who have reported UFO sightings. This shows me you know NOTHING about the UFO Phenomena because you would know the 3% I'm talking about (Roswell, Rendlesham Forest, The Pheonix Lights and all those sightings in South America and Mexico, the JAL incident and many more. You know nothing about the UGO Phenomena.

And you believe blindly these every day people. First you don't know if they actually wrote the account or verbally stated the account. That's my point about you people. The everyday brain-washer..... Is that even a word......

And these everyday people reporting something in the sky means what exactly. Is everyone a monday quarterback. Is every one an aeronautical engineer or an engineer in fluid dynamics? Do you think today's available technology is the peak of applied science? Its not

And that includes medicine.

Off course I know nothing about the UFO phenomena. I don't believe it. I would never have the alien option as a first guess when spotting something unidentified. You don't know what it is,,so you brand it as alien technology??? Son you have major faith in alien existence.

You think you know what happened in Roswell or south america. You think, ,,,,you Hope,,,,,you believe!! You have faith in all the pictures,documents from military,,accounts from everyday people that they(or it) is stating the truth... When you really don't know. Just like me.

Get over it. Life's too short.

yaluk

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:36 PM

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First everyone is brainwashed..... yes even you OP you are brainwashed. No ifs or butts about it.. you are brainwashed.

True christianity, not this Roman catholic bs running amuck says sure ask the tough questions because there are answers for those questions.

you should question your christian leaders.. people do this, oh do they do this. It is very naive to believe that people do not question their religious leaders. Those that do not question them are teh same people that eat up everything their government tells them and fall for every rumor they hear.

Now what you have to understand is that Humans are corrupt. There are many forms of governments and ideals that would work if man was not corrupt... but they are corrupt so they do not work.. this corrupt nature ends up in the midst of christians as well.

Many tv evengelist use the bible to exploit people, others use education to exploit people, food, entertainment and so forth.

Just because those things are misused it does not make them any less valid. I can take your beliefs and completely mis use them for my personal gain.. would that make them a bad belief system?? I mean i did harm with it??

some Christians are just as intolerant as some people are of republicans,democrats, conservatives.. liberals, or other religions. this comes down to people behavior not because they are X ( X being christians, republicans, democrats, conservatives, liberals other religions.

you are basically labeling every christian the same and that makes you just as bad as what you dislike about christians... you are brainwashed into believing all christians are like that.. How about we say all republicans are racists if we are going to go that route. very ignorant.

And you start talking about those who speak to the dead... how do we know all of these people who do speak to the dead are truthful?? how do we know they are not brainwashing people to believe they talk to the dead?? Mrs cleo used to do that for cash.

do i take their word for it?? your word for it?? you pretty much discredit christianity and stand in a position where your belief in talking to the dead is proven FACT.

I mean seriously, You are brainwashed the same as a huge percentage of christains. Your beliefs like christianity and every other religion are based on faith.

why did writing this piece seem like a good idea??

you are brainwashed too buddy.. pot calling the kettle black.

dilly1

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by andersensrm

Not to sound rude but this is doesn't have anything to do with you. Dilly won't Pm me so he wants debate here. And I've already asked him to get back on topic.

Wow, you have thin skin.

gabby2011

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by LunaKat
Gabby, Guadalupe wanted the Bishop to build her a church in the exact spot where Her Temple was destroyed. The people had been converted recently to Catholicism. The only way for The Goddess to get that temple built was to appear as the one the Bishop would recognize --She knew he would only recognize Her if She said she was the Virgin Mary. And then to prove Herself there were the miracles of the roses and Her image.

Had Juan Diego gone to the Bishop and asked for a temple to be built to the Goddess..he wouldn't make it past the door. She knew that. She's not stupid.

The people of that time (as well as today in Mexico) have a blended Christianity. Its a blend of Pagan and Christian beliefs. Like Ireland does. In some places where Catholicism took hold eventually, the only way it was accomplished was by letting the people have some of what they already believed..the Church had to concede. Otherwise they would have failed.

PS..Gabby we're leaving to go pick up some stuff for New Year's. I'll be back later though. If you want links let me know. There is one article that is off-Internet as well that is very good about is..more researched. You can drop me a U2U if you want more.

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Oh my.. You actually believe a pagan goddess would come in disguise ..because otherwise people would not take her seriously..and she had to "pose" as the virgin Mary for the Bishop to take her seriously??

Well..if that is true.. that is rather deceitful of the pagan goddess.. but I feel strongly that you have been mislead by more writings of the heretics.

Satan has taken everything sacred and true and twisted its meaning....and this world seems eager to swallow up the lies.

Jesus has become nothing but a great man .. a God among many.. and His beautiful loving mother Mary..has been reduced to a pagan Goddess... to many.

Then people wonder why Mary has begging for prayers and conversion ,and has been appearing so much since the 18980's , again begging for prayer and conversion..because the wrath of God is coming, unless people change their ways.

When she appears she constantly speaks of the graces of receiving the Holy Eucharist , as well as how to prepare your soul to be ready for this great gift. She preaches constantly on repentance..and the mercy of Jesus, and warns what is to happen .

This virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus.. .. and preaches nothing but repentance and salvation through the blood of her Son, Jesus.

There is nothing pagan about her...and I might add.. everything that the true virgin Mary has prophesied has never failed to come true...

eyesdown

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:40 PM

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A few months ago I would have said "yes!" but actually Christianity like any other religion is only brainwashing when a person uses it to be so. If you take a step back look at religion without trying to pick it apart ( I have literally spent months finding flaws and listening to explanations) you will see something in there that might ring true with your own life.

To use the word "Christians" to explain the acts of fundamentalists is not really a fair interpretation of the open mindedness a lot of Christians have. For example in the US religious people do more charitable
Work. It is people who brain wash not books, if you look at the bible as I have I would not say it contains words that could be deemed overly persuasive, or that someone with an open mind could not take or leave.

I have recently been reading a book by Frank Shauffer who used to part of the Christian far right and has since became agnostic, some of his stories about the nature of American Evangelists does begin to sound cultish but again this is just one way in which people practise their religion, across the world there are a lot of liberal Christians, muslims, Jews that even question their own doctrine and help others to understand it to. You may call it cherry picking but surely it is better than a blind faith and a life without questioning which sounds like brain washing.

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dilly1

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Zeer0

Yea well, I give up trying to explain to people that there are UFO's out there. People denies their existence just as much as they accept the idea that jesus created the earth and all of its beings in a matter of days. And that jesus will come back to save us all. You just can't argue with a nut like that

Who's the nut. You believe aliens are(have been) taxing around earth. I don't

And I don't believe in God giving hoot about me either. Am I still a nut?

While your at it, send me some proof of aliens . Or god or gods or demons, or the bigfoot or ghosts. Whatever,, something.

dilly1

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by andersensrm

True. People who are that Close Minded are almost impossible to accept new concepts. But I still have confidence that I can through to a few people.

New concepts? Wait a minute,, new? I thought aliens have been landing on earth for hundreds of years. Didn't Columbus see one? Lol

If I am close minded then your the queen prostitute of fantasy.

newyorkee

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:45 PM

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1. have a religious experience which counts as good evidence for what they believe, like an inner witness of the Holy Spirit. This is so bogus of an argument it’s hard to even start.

-is it fraudulent in its claim of being "good" evidence or in the fact of having an inner spirit ¿?¿?¿?¿

2. who call themselves Christian are brainwashed

-They are brainwashed into calling themselves christian and are really not or is it that predominantly, christains are more prone to brain washing ¿?¿?¿?¿?¿

3. Demand good evidence along with good reasons for why you believe, believe you know. It’s that simple

-so, what is the solution as you suggest is, having good reasons or good evidence, about why you bother beleiving or the fact that because you belive, that is how you know......It simple to achive or its simple in that it is simple in design ?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿

5andman

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:47 PM

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Christianity is based on miscomprehension and misinterpretation of information.

Zeer0

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:51 PM

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reply to post by dilly1

No I don't normally trust people but I do trust Regan and Carter. And since sightings of UFO goes back a many thousand years all over this Planet I tend to believe that we could of been visited. But it's quite obvious to me your basing your options on merly your opinion without any knowledge of the subjects. Real UFO Skeptics actually have the knowledge to be skeptical because they have actually researched it. Actually learn about the UFO Phenomena then come back to me.

-Zeer0

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autowrench

posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:58 PM

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I can see by the two or three posts you have made in reply that you are one of those who thinks, or, have been brainwashed into thinking, that humans on Earth are the only intelligent life in this vast universe. Consider the Drake Equation, and the Hubble Telescope. (100 million stars with each photo)
Also consider if ET was not real, then millions of people are telling the same lie, thousands of photo labs are working full time to produce all of the videos and photos, and of course among those "in on it," had to be the police officers, military personal, and even presidents of the United States. You would be really surprised at what you do not know.