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Does Christianity forbid asking hard questions about its doctrines?
Does Christianity forbid questioning of its leaders and their doctrine or behavior?
Do Christian organizations whose primary focus is fundraising, and who may even resort to deception in order to line the pockets of their leaders? Is it not true that some of these leaders live in luxury, while the one paying them live in poverty?
Do Christians not target young people, the elderly, and others who might be vulnerable to exploitation?
How can Christians be so sure they're right and everyone else is wrong? Isn't that arrogant? Isn't that evidence of a large ego?
Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by autowrench
To the op, i am a christian, questioned the bible, questioned church leaders, and questioned all versions of christianity as well as studying all religions n philosophies in my spare time.
What i did find is that studying the bible, praying, meditating, and getiing rebaptized, i underwent tremendous mysticl awakenings, spiritual changes, and started to directly experience an Infinite beingness.
What also happened in the 10+years since then is that ive been detaching from the programming of the world. I no longer buy into repblican or democrat, im no longer prideful nor do i care about being an american, my race, my creed, and my gender. In a sense ive gone beyond the world and its BS dramatic stage plays.
Im experiencing infinity, so i look at evetyone and everything in a very loving and detached matter. I woudlnt trade my christ and how ive been permanently change because of him, for all the money, power, women in the world.
If anything, ive been released from all brainwashing inuding anything the world or church as well as the ops post
Logically speaking, it is simply not possible for all the major world religions to be valid ways/paths to God.
Christianity states that the God of the BibleYahweh is the only true God and salvation is only possible by accepting Christ as one's Savior and Lord. Judaism states that the God of the Torah/Old Testament is the only true God, and that Jesus is not the Messiah, putting it directly at odds with Christianity. Jesus either is the Messiah, or he is not. If he is, Judaism is not a valid way to God; if he is not, Christianity is not a valid way to God. The mutual exclusion only grows when other religions are added: Islam says that Allah is the only true God, and that anyone who says Christ is the Son of God will be condemned (Qur'an, 5:72, 9:30). Furthermore, if religions other than Christianity are valid ways to God, then one of Christianity's basic principles is false; in that case, can it still be said to be a valid, trustworthy religion?
Is Christianity is intolerant of other beliefs?
I have seen this intolerance many times, in this forum, and in real life.
Tell a Christian you are Wiccan, you very quickly are told that you work for Satan, or are in league with Satan, or Demons, or that you are a Demon, or are possessed by Demons. It is nearly the same if you tell a Christian you are a Buddhist, a Hindu, Taoist, or follow the Native American ways. Isn't it true, and the way if the Christ, that we shouldn't pass judgement on, or condemn these beliefs as being morally wrong? Or sinful?
If someone has a bad disease, telling them that they don't need to seek medical treatment, but to only trust in the Lord, is a wrong thing to do. Isn't it true that a Doctor can help, perhaps faster, and with better results, than prayer?
Whether or not basic Christianity is true or false is a topic of much debate, which is clearly evident in this forum, and elsewhere. It is my contention that when a group, any group, claims to have an exclusive hold on TRUTH, we all tend to immediately doubt the claims of that group. Does Christianity make such a claim? It does claim that Jesus is the only way to God, basically stating that there is only the one path, and all other paths are either morally wrong, or sinful, or the direct path to Hell.
Christianity claims there is good evidence, and lots of it for the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. But truthfully, this evidence is mainly confined to the [canonized] New Testament texts and gospels which were retold from oral/verbal story-telling, (no doubt big in the days before Radio and TV) and various non-inspired written accounts of the life and death of Jesus. The Romans kept meticulous records of everything, and there are no records bearing the name, or the execution of Jesus, to the best of my knowledge. Also, do not forget, there were many men named Jesus at the time:
A Surfeit of Jesuses
This man Jesus is best thought of by secular people as merely another failed Jewish prophet, and human a man, a wise teacher and sage, and nothing more. There were many of these in those times. A lot of them met a violent end, too.
Upon his shocking crucifixion, his disciples had visionary experiences of him and concluded just like theMillerites, the Jehovah’s witnesses, and other similar religious groups that their God was providing a new direction for their cult. In the case of the early disciples they concluded from these visions that Jesus was still alive and that the end of the world would come very soon, within their lifetime.It is my contention that this "historical evidence" is very poor evidence to believe in such extraordinary claims, like the claims Christians must believe in anyway. (or else!)
Christians will claim they have a religious experience which counts as good evidence for what they believe, like an inner witness of the Holy Spirit. This is so bogus of an argument it’s hard to even start. When a believer has a religious experience it is really hard, if not psychologically impossible, to argue him away from his beliefs. It is basically the same with people who have had the ET/UFO experience, once experienced, it would be virtually impossible to make the person think he or she did not really have it. It is the same for a non Christian to have a vision. The vision may be very real for the one having the vision, but to a Christian is it Satan or a Demon trying to fool you. I have been told this many times.
Of course, if a devout Christian has a vision it is fully accepted as coming from God.
And what of those who say they speak to the dead? Christianity teaches that humans have but one life only, and when one dies they either go to Heaven or Hell, and nowhere else. I call attention to
I Samuel 28:11-16: The Witch of Endor. The Witch of Endor reveals that she saw Gods (plural) ascending out of the Earth. There is much debate as to whether or not the apparition that was conjured up by the witch was the real Samuel. The witch described Samuel’s appearance to Saul as being an old man covered in a mantle. A mantle was a type of robe, or coat for the upper portion of the body. There was something about this mantle that convinced Saul that the apparition was indeed Samuel.
I myself have spoken of my Grandfather, who came to visit me, and took me with him for a night of travel and talking that enthralled me. I have also seen, and spoken to my Father, and two friends, all of whom are dead. I also have had conversation with ET Beings.
I have told these things to Christians, who told me it was actually a Demon, fooling me, and not who i thought it was at all. How does one defend against this?
I believe there are many people in the world today who are very deluded by their religious beliefs, even to the extreme in some cases. How do you know that you are not one of them, having been brainwashed by the very culture you were brought up in? How do you know? You must consider this a possibility for it’s a fact that brainwashed people do not know they have been brainwashed.
My claim is that most who call themselves Christian are brainwashed. Demand good evidence along with good reasons for why you believe, believe you know. It’s that simple.
Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
Absolutely it is brainwashing. It's the only way to get people to believe in an invisible man, magic, etc.
Its the same brainwashing used throughout history to get the gullible to believe in god.
Originally posted by captaincosmic
reply to post by andersensrm
Well I doubt that matters tbh as it isn't important what colour he was, it's the stink he left behind that bothers me.
Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by autowrench
The religion itself isn't brainwashing, the people who misinterpret its teachings and lead particular churches and branches of it do.
Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by undo
????? I have no idea what you are trying to explain with that one
"My christ" "Him"....rubbish. You have experienced contact with Yourself, you are god, you are christ, as is everyone. We are all part of one system. You are still programmed to be submissive to a fictional jesus. Anyone called jesus , and what is described is merely a man who has experienced contact with himself, and realised the tremndous power we all have. gravitor
reply to post by boymonkey74
Wow surprised Non of the Board regular Christians havent been on here at least to try and defend their faith, maybe you got thru to them OP