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If 911 is viewed as a crime instead of a terrorist attack, it becomes clear...

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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:09 AM
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Hear Hear, Goverments are the biggest causes of terror among populations than any eastern Terrorist.




If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization it expects what never was and never will be - Thomas Jefferson




posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Wow. I haven't looked at the thread here for a while. And of course, as usual, the debunkers come out in force. Hooper and Alfie leading the pack, trying to derail the thread off into the HOW. IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT WAS DONE. That evidence will come clear once the WHY is figured out. Motive, means, opportunity. That's how crimes are investigated.

For starters, the black boxes never found. These things are designed to withstand thousands of degrees of fire, and pressures equal to thousands of feet underwater. In the history of aviation, NEVER have they not survived a crash. Yet on that day, not one, not two, but four black boxes never found. Human bodies and giant buildings reduced to DUST and pebble sized particles. But passports? More indestructible than skyscrapers or black boxes, obviously.

Ah, forget the HOW, I could go on and on, it's ridiculous.

For starters, debunkers: WHY did the "plane" that struck the Pentagon circle the whole thing, passing over the White House and the Capitol, and then hit the ONLY part of the Pentagon that was empty? They didn't know it was empty? Even though it was well known for over a year they were remodeling that part? The only people in that part were the ONI investigators, who had been moved in there a few weeks before out of the blue.

Explain just that part, you shills. Forget the how. Forget that Bush couldn't testify without his ventriloquist's hand up his butt. Forget the fact that four planes were known to be highjacked at once, yet everyone sat on their hands for an hour before doing anything. Forget the fact that anyone who could have been deemed somewhat responsible was not fired, in fact most of them were PROMOTED.

How did the "terrorist masterminds" who had the ability to defeat NORAD and the biggest military in the world, not know that part of their target was empty? Why was that even the target at all? What became of that strike? A "plane" penetrated five rings of blast proof walls to reach the ONI offices. The ONI was destroyed, and 37 of the 40 investigators who were investigating one certain crime, dealing with ten year bonds that were coming due THAT DAY. . NOthing else.

Explain that one, govt shills. Good luck with that, should be funny.
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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Dionisius
reply to post by comprehension
 


Hear Hear, Goverments are the biggest causes of terror among populations than any eastern Terrorist.




If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization it expects what never was and never will be - Thomas Jefferson




Agreed...its obvious to a barnyard animal that by providing pretext for preplanned invasions, "terrorist acts" only benefit the powers that be. Furthermore, terrorists must be as dumb as a box of rocks if they haven't figured out the easiest way to wipe out sizable portions of major cities would be to fly a jet into them, yet they content themselves with beheading and suicide bombing (which take us back to the first sentence - rinse, and repeat).



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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I guess this thread is old and not on the front lines anymore, so the debunkers have left. I'm sure they have quotas to meet for current threads.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Yeah but it wasn't "Sparkill, Fishkill, Peekskill..it was Freshkill!

And a terrorist attack is still a crime!No matter who the terrorist are!

There could have been proof of explosions in that steel!Funny how it was removed under armed guard!Something to hide there?

@theDemon I want to know why you stick up for a government YOU know is lying to you?What makes you a believer?Because there's way more evidence that suggest an inside job then there is for the 19 Arabs with boxcutters theory.

I love how they found a suitcase with everybody's name in it and pretty much the plan for 9/11!Just lucky I guess?It was nice of the hijackers to leave all that evidence for them don't you think?Imagine that!



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Yeah but it wasn't "Sparkill, Fishkill, Peekskill..it was Freshkill!


Apparently have problems with basic logic.....

As was pointed out the name "FRESH KILLS" was derived from Dutch "KILL" meaning creek/small river and
FRESH indicating water is drinkable - not brackish or salty

I suppose that the Dutch settlers having named the location 300 years before 9/11 is proof of some conspiracy

Also did you bother the read the criteria that was used to locate pieces of steel for examination?

Or did you just come to spew your brand of idiocy and insanity.....

Try reading this first

www.fema.gov...



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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I pointed out your error about where the plane hit the Pentagon on page 2 and gave you the facts but you still ignore it and re-post the same garbage.

Most of the casualties were Navy specialists in the Navy Command Centre. They had nothing to do with finance.The Army bookeepers killed were working on Army statements for FY 2001 as set out in the March 2002 DoD document I linked you to.

Instead of just repeating something off some conspiracy site please cite evidence for what you are alleging.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:03 AM
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How grand must it be to be the DoD, with an unlimited budget, no accountability and a license to kill.


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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by comprehension
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How grand must it be to be the DoD, with an unlimited budget, no accountability and a license to kill.


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Is that supposed to mean something ? The DoD document I linked to is a report by the Inspector-General required by law i.e. accountability. Unlimited budget and license to kill sounds interesting, care to back that up ? I rather fancy I can find the budgets for many years past if I care to look.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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For starters, the black boxes never found. These things are designed to withstand thousands of degrees of fire, and pressures equal to thousands of feet underwater. In the history of aviation, NEVER have they not survived a crash. Yet on that day, not one, not two, but four black boxes never found. Human bodies and giant buildings reduced to DUST and pebble sized particles. But passports? More indestructible than skyscrapers or black boxes, obviously.


I guess in future will have to include being slammed into skyscrapers at 500 + mph and surviving 110 story
building falling on them as part of design criteria.......

As for never having survived an accident....

This is cockpit voice recorder from Pentagon



So tell us again how can survive a crash...

The CVR/FDR (thats Cockpit Voice Recorder/Flight Data Recorder) at WTC were subject to even more
extreme forces. Most likely being ripped into small pieces which were lost in the acres of rubble left



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by comprehension
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How grand must it be to be the DoD, with an unlimited budget, no accountability and a license to kill.


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Is that supposed to mean something ? The DoD document I linked to is a report by the Inspector-General required by law i.e. accountability. Unlimited budget and license to kill sounds interesting, care to back that up ? I rather fancy I can find the budgets for many years past if I care to look.


What it was supposed to mean is the most likely suspects are the DoD, among others in government and media, making their reports not fit for toilet paper.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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If one "lone nut" (who had ties to FBI and the CIA btw)can get pass the police,FBI,CIA,secret service and just so happen to be at a spot where the president would be (even though they changed his route at the last minute)to end up assassinating the president..well heck,anything is possible..sarcasm off.

We all know it's bullcrap!Everybody knows it's bullcrap!So why would anyone defend bullcrap such as 9/11 and the JFK assassination?

There are 2 reasons.

1)They are in denial!Because they think it's just too "crazy" to even think such things!

2)They are paid to make those people who are in denial..stay in denial.

I know..the box is comfortable isn't it?It is getting smaller though..isn't it?When even the middle class can't afford things because the government is either raising taxes or making up new ones or making you spend more money on things you need like hydro,gas,water,cigarettes even and who knows what's next?Will you finally see then,that they don't give a crap about you?All they care about is taking your money from you and making you work your balls off for peanuts...Oh but we are not slaves,noooo,we are free!We are free to do whatever...they tell us!

9/11 was a crime.How could it not be?People were murdered!Who stand to gain from this?Tell me!The Arabs?What did they get besides America attacking them for 11 years?Because of some guy who they THOUGHT had something to do with 9/11 even though there is NO evidence that proves it!

You've been conned!!And if you can't see that,well..then you are blind.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by comprehension

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by comprehension
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How grand must it be to be the DoD, with an unlimited budget, no accountability and a license to kill.


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Is that supposed to mean something ? The DoD document I linked to is a report by the Inspector-General required by law i.e. accountability. Unlimited budget and license to kill sounds interesting, care to back that up ? I rather fancy I can find the budgets for many years past if I care to look.


What it was supposed to mean is the most likely suspects are the DoD, among others in government and media, making their reports not fit for toilet paper.


The truther policy of simply yanking thousands more into the conspiracy whenever difficulties are encountered doesn't do much for truther credibility.

Got any hard evidence of DoD involvement ?



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:26 AM
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Apparently have problems with basic logic..... As was pointed out the name "FRESH KILLS" was derived from Dutch "KILL" meaning creek/small river and FRESH indicating water is drinkable - not brackish or salty I suppose that the Dutch settlers having named the location 300 years before 9/11 is proof of some conspiracy Also did you bother the read the criteria that was used to locate pieces of steel for examination?Or did you just come to spew your brand of idiocy and insanity.....
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lol You keep saying that.Yeah,I get it.Dutch this,Dutch that..I get it!But it also says plainly Fresh Kills!

Now why do you keep debating over something so redundant anyway?I notice you don't address the important issues,only small insignificant ones.

What about everything else I've said?Or anybody else has said?

And what was it I said that was insane?There are millions saying the same thing.You could go to any forum and see people saying the same things about 9/11..it's everywhere!Do you think all these people are just "conspiracy theorists"?People who ask questions are conspiracy theorists?Is that how it works?Call them what you want but at least come up with some proof to back your 19 arabs with boxcutter theory!



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by comprehension

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by comprehension
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How grand must it be to be the DoD, with an unlimited budget, no accountability and a license to kill.


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Is that supposed to mean something ? The DoD document I linked to is a report by the Inspector-General required by law i.e. accountability. Unlimited budget and license to kill sounds interesting, care to back that up ? I rather fancy I can find the budgets for many years past if I care to look.


What it was supposed to mean is the most likely suspects are the DoD, among others in government and media, making their reports not fit for toilet paper.


The truther policy of simply yanking thousands more into the conspiracy whenever difficulties are encountered doesn't do much for truther credibility.

Got any hard evidence of DoD involvement ?


You mean besides the lack of non-fraudulent video and photographs? Besides the alleged "four hijacked jets" flying unchallenged all around the country for an hour? Besides the fact no one has properly investigated it and no one has been punished, indeed those involved have been promoted? Besides the fact 911 gave pretense for now 10 years of war crimes?

But you really mean documented evidence of their involvement, as in a Power Point presentation, don't you? Sure, that sort of proof is in the DoD, locked behind national security protocols.
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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:40 AM
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If you want some proof of the 19 Arab hi-jackers you could make a start, but of course you wont, by looking through the exhibits at the Moussaoui trial :-

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

Plenty of evidence there. In sad contrast to most of the posts on this thread.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Alfie1
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If you want some proof of the 19 Arab hi-jackers you could make a start, but of course you wont, by looking through the exhibits at the Moussaoui trial :-

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

Plenty of evidence there. In sad contrast to most of the posts on this thread.


Yes, because kangaroo trials only happen in other countries.

Anyone who has looked into the Moussaoui trial knows the kangaroo is alive and well.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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You are just giving me meaningless speculation and your personal incredulity. After 10 years plus you must have something verifiable surely.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Do you guys know about British Israelism and how it ties to the Project For a New American Century which was created by another plan called "A Clean Break securing the Realm for Israel" and that The Jews of Israel are European jewish converts and are connected to european aristocracy because they believe that they are the chosen ones because of their "race" the white race. This is the secret of the world wars. Please spread this message.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by comprehension

Originally posted by Alfie1
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If you want some proof of the 19 Arab hi-jackers you could make a start, but of course you wont, by looking through the exhibits at the Moussaoui trial :-

www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

Plenty of evidence there. In sad contrast to most of the posts on this thread.


Yes, because kangaroo trials only happen in other countries.

Anyone who has looked into the Moussaoui trial knows the kangaroo is alive and well.


As I predicted, you have a closed mind to all the evidence. Your problem, not mine.



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