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Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by CaptChaos
Looked at as a crime, there are some serious red flags. For one, the destruction of evidence. Most of the steel was carted away and shipped off to China as soon as possible. I understand they wouldn't want to just leave a destroyed skyscraped laying there for years, but melting down the steel and literally destroying what would be chemical evidence of explosives is a huge indication that members of the government had something to hide.
From what little steel there is, some of it was once molten, others have evidence of sulfidation which could be accomplished by thermite-like cutting charges.
Originally posted by comprehension
reply to post by nh_ee
heh...isn't that like asking the SS to investigate the Reichstag fire?
If the investigation were conducted like a normal police investigation, it looks very different. If it were a RICO case, the question qui bono or who benefits is the first way to point fingers towards the guilty parties.
The discussion of motive would be lost on most people.
Those who were involved in these events could have no reasonable defense for these acts.
I would just like to see a quick and just trial. Then let the guilty stretch some rope.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by hdutton
The discussion of motive would be lost on most people.
I don't know about lost - just not relevant as they are mass murderers
Those who were involved in these events could have no reasonable defense for these acts.
They didn't.
I would just like to see a quick and just trial. Then let the guilty stretch some rope.
Most are already dead - the 19 suicidal hijackers. Then there's OBL. He's fish food now.
No wait, you think someone in our government pulled this off - never mind.
Due to the nature of the story, and the accompanying secrecy, details and “mainstream” source material are understandably hard to find, giving mainstream media reason to discount the story. None the less, the revelations produced by Heidner expose a motive that makes much more sense than the B-movie script version we are all familiar with. When 911 is investigated as a crime, and not an act of terrorism, what can we surmise by examining what was accomplished? The main goals appear to have been intended to at least:
1. Destroy evidence of institutional lawlessness in government, finance, military and business.
2. Silence investigations into the above.
3. Demolish the white elephants known as the Twin Towers.
4. Provide pretext for world war and hegemony in the guise of the Global War on Terrorism.
5. Allow the continuation of a culture of plunder and corruption
I must admit that I do not know, niether do I really care, who was involved in this mass murder of U S citizens.
If it were only those you mentioned, then OK. Just prove it was ONLY them.
This is what a criminal investigation would be for.
If there were more people, or governments, we should find them out and bring them to justice.
As I see things; either these were the luckiest planners, can't say conspiracy, in the history of planning attacks, or they had some degree of "inside" information and/or assistance.
Either way we, the American people, have a right to know.
I also feel that anyone who would hinder such an investigation "could" be accussed of obstruction of justice.
In this I don't care if it is my friends, my family, or my government.
In 1989 President George H. W. Bush began the multi-billion dollar Project Hammer program using an investment strategy to bring about the economic destruction of the Soviet Union including the theft of the Soviet treasury, the destabilization of the ruble, funding a KGB coup against Gorbachev in August 1991 and the seizure of major energy and munitions industries in the Soviet Union. Those resources would subsequently be turned over to international bankers and corporations. On November 1, 2001, the second operative in the Bush regime, President George W. Bush, issued Executive Order 13233 on the basis of “national security” and concealed the records of past presidents, especially his father’s spurious activities during 1990 and 1991. Consequently, those records are no longer accessible to the public. [1] The Russian coup plot was discussed in June 1991 when Yeltsin visited with Bush in conjunction with his visit to the United States. On that same visit, Yeltsin met discreetly with Gerald Corrigan, the chairman of the New York Federal Reserve. [2]
Because of numerous Presidential Executive Orders, the ethically questionable Project Hammer was deemed legal. Of course, even Hitler’s acts were “lawful,” as he had manipulated the laws to accommodate his actions. Many of Reagan’s executive orders were actually authored by Vice President Bush or his legal associates, and it is possible that Project Hammer was created by Reagan’s CIA Director, William Casey, who had directed OSS operations through Alan Dulles in Europe during World War II. Prior to his OSS affiliation, Casey worked for the Board of Economic Warfare which allegedly targeted “Hitler’s economic jugular.” [3] Allen Dulles, brother of John Foster Dulles, was the Director of the CIA from 1953 to 1961. He was a senior partner at the Wall Street firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, which represented the Rockefeller Empire and other mammoth trusts, corporations and cartels.
Project Hammer was staffed with CIA operatives and others associated with the National Security apparatus. Covert channels were already in place as a result of other illegal Bush activities. Thus, it was a given (1) that the project would use secret, illegal funds for unapproved covert operations, and (2) that the American public and Congress would not be informed about the illegal actions perpetrated in foreign countries. The first objective was allegedly to crush Communism, a growing political philosophy and social movement that was initially funded by the usual group of international bankers who now supported their demise. To this end, the “Vulcans,” under George H. W. Bush, waged war against the Soviet Union. [4]
The Word Trade Center was conceived during the euphoria of the post WWII years. Negotiations began during the “Camelot” period of the Kennedy administration; a time of growth and optimism, but by the time the construction was completed, times had changed. No one wanted it, and no one seemed to like the Port Authority much either.
When considering the history and the timing of events, as well as the nature of many of the people involved, I contend:
Minoru Yamasaki was chosen as architect because he would comply to the client’s wishes, even if their wishes didn’t seem to make sense.
Once the land was purchased and demolition began, there was no turning back, even for the builders.
The World Trade Center twin towers were never fully completed. The towers were capped without all the floors installed. From a business and construction perspective, this would make it possible to build-out floors as the space was leased, or not build them out if the space couldn’t be leased. The trusses were installed, but not all the floors. Whether the intent was to build-out all the floors later or not, the towers didn’t need all the floors installed for structural integrity.
Due to galvanic corrosion, in the mid-80’s it was decided the WTC needed to be demolished, which would have cost the Port Authority billions of dollars (many times their investment), threatening the future of their authority.
False-front companies, or real companies exaggerating their losses, comprised most, if not all of the tenants at the time of destruction.
Aside from achieving the demolition of the “white-elephants” known as the Twin Towers, the destruction of the WTC destroyed evidence and silenced investigations into institutional corruption within big business, big finance, military, and government.
Btw, I would suggest to you that the Capitol was very likely the target of UA 93. (Alfie 1)
Originally posted by hdutton
reply to post by hooper
Judging from the way you seem to have a need for specific replies to each line you address, I can't help but think if you will but continue to explain the OS for a little longer; you may begin to believe it yourself.
Over explaination, as well as over simplification, has been attributed to any number of psychological malodies.
I do hope they have a pill for it.
Originally posted by beanandginger
You can apply the exact same logic to the assasination of both JF & Bobby Kennedy....and you'll find that the same groups are responsible - the military industrial complex who profits from foreign wars, the bankers who bankroll them and the Congress who facilitate it all.