If 911 is viewed as a crime instead of a terrorist attack, it becomes clear...

If the investigation were conducted like a normal police investigation, it looks very different. If it were a RICO case, the question qui bono or who benefits is the first way to point fingers towards the guilty parties. Obviously, no one in Afghanistan or Iraq has benefited in any way from this. None of the real people, at least, Halliburton is raking in billions off the war along with plenty of other vultures.

There was much said about the huge surge in put options of AA and Delta the day before. No one seemed to squawk much about how the SEC somehow can't figure out who placed all these put options. Now, I'm not in the habit of placing hundred million dollar put options, but I'm pretty sure you can't just do it anonymously, otherwise insider trading would be the norm. However, those options are a mere drop in the bucket. And let's not forget the "misplaced" billions at the Pentagon Rummy admitted on Sept 10, which were never mentioned again.

When looking at the Pentagon, according to the OS the plane circled almost completely around the building, passing over the Capitol and the White House. Somehow, those were not considered good enough targets for those "islamofascists" . After spiraling almost completely around, the "plane" struck the one side of the five sided structure that was nearly empty due to remodeling, and had been for a long time. Since an operation of this magnitude requires at least a little planning, it's likely the pilot, or whomever was controlling the "plane' would at least have had a fair inkling that that side of the Pentagon had been under construction for over a year. It was not a secret.

Since the White House and the Capitol were passed over, obviously those were not targets. The "plane" obviously had a specific target in mind. There was only one office occupied in that wing of the Pentagon: The Office of Naval Investigations. They were busy investigating massive money laundering involving ten year bonds from .............Sept 11, 1991. All their files containing the work of years of investigations, and all the evidence amassed, were destroyed in the attack.

And the two main clearing firms under investigation? The other two planes just happened to strike right into their offices in the WTC, conveniently destroying all the evidence. Hmmm.

When looked at as a racketeering investigation, it suddenly looks like it has a lot to do with the forced collapse of the Soviet economy, and the consequent looting of resources in the early 90s by "oligarchs" there. It goes back to the Iran Contra affair, and more. Evidence was destroyed to cover up massive fraud committed by people in high places.

911 coverup

this is going to be a nice read.

you´ve sparked my interest by your intro.

i glanced over the paper and saw several names pop up constantly.

wanted to add this documentary to the mix.

it really is a MUST-SEE if you haven't seen it yet.



Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

SnF

YEEEY

double post

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ahoy matey
one little caveat re who'd be in charge of the investigation

it cant be the corrupt NYPD [AKA bloombergs personal army]
they've got their own couple of 911 cover ups going

RE-EVALUATING NYPD PERFORMANCE ON 9-11

Last year on 9-11, 343 firemen and 23 policemen were killed . As these figures show, it is obvious which faction of uniformed public servants suffered the worst losses. Painful as it may be, the following questions must be asked:

* Why was there such a huge discrepancy in fatality rates between these two groups of equally-lauded individuals?
* Why have mainstream media outlets fostered equal public adulation for both police and firemen, when the firemen suffered many times more losses?
* Why is every police department across the nation permitted, (if not encouraged), to bask in the reflected glory of the NYPD (undeserved as it may be)?
* Are we supposed to believe that the lives of policemen are worth more than the lives of the other decedents?

Don't forget, before 9-11 unjustifiably whitewashed their image, the NYPD had a far more sinister, far more realistic, and far more deserved reputation. Are we supposed to forget this fact, (and ignore reality), simply because twenty-three police officers happened to die on the same day that 15 times as many firemen died, and 130 times as many civilians died?

These questions become even more pressing in light of a credible report that the NYC Police Department may in fact be largely responsible for the tragic and unnecessary deaths of firemen on 9-11. According to an independent study commissioned by the City of New York, the failure of the NYPD to share vital information with the FDNY in a timely manner contributed to the horrific carnage among the firemen.

copwatch.com...
and let's not forget all the big donations to the police, while firemen face budget cuts and must "suck it in"

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LL, what? your 1st?

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Looked at as a crime, there are some serious red flags. For one, the destruction of evidence. Most of the steel was carted away and shipped off to China as soon as possible. I understand they wouldn't want to just leave a destroyed skyscraped laying there for years, but melting down the steel and literally destroying what would be chemical evidence of explosives is a huge indication that members of the government had something to hide.

From what little steel there is, some of it was once molten, others have evidence of sulfidation which could be accomplished by thermite-like cutting charges.

Also looked at as a crime, the potential suspects were stonewalling the investigation for months. Imagine if a suspected murderer refused to talk to police for several months about something, but then when he finally got around to doing it, did it with his fellow suspected murderers (in order to keep the story straight) in secrecy, not under oath with no transcript taken? That's another sign that something stinks.

And again, from a criminal perspective, why was Osama Bin Laden not charged for the 9/11 attacks? Simple, there wasn't sufficient evidence.

Some people hint at an inside job but fall back and say "Hey, I'm just asking questions". Well I'm not asking questions, I'm telling you, as a fact: The official story of the 9/11 attacks is a lie. This thread contains the motherload of information and evidence in support of a controlled demolition for the Twin Towers and WTC7.

The next question on your list, after who would profit, should be;

Who would be harmed the most by a criminal investigation ?

Don't I remember some one, or maybe several people, who did not want any kind of investigation into this matter.

You don't suppose there could be any kind of connection, do you?

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Who would be harmed most? The American people. Look at these trillion dollar wars that are helping to bankrupt our country while simultaneously making defense contractors and other corporations rich.

Look at what's been happening to our very freedom at home. In the name of protecting us from the Al CIAda boogeymen, our Constitution is literally being destroyed before our eyes. The 4th Amendment was eliminated by the Patriot Act. The 5th, 6th, and 7th Amendment no longer provide us with due process of law, because the NDAA allows the military to indefinitely imprison American citizens without a charge or trial. Throw some torture in there, and say bye-bye to the 8th Amendment.

One might even argue that the 1st Amendment has taken a beating, because the media has practically programmed people to mock and attack any person who questions the official story of 9/11, calling them unpatriotic kooks or whatever, often making them fearful to speak out publically.

The TSA and their Nazi-style sexual assault checkpoints are moving to highways, subways, bus stations, sports stadiums, you name it. The American people are harmed the most, by all of these tyrannical, oppressive security measures.

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Look at what's been happening to our very freedom at home.

Name one freedom you have lost that was guaranteed by our forefathers.

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I did, in that post. The 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments have been eliminated in the name of security.

But speaking of our forefathers...

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"
-- James Madison

"Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
-- Benjamin Franklin

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On Christmas Eve in 1741, David Nitschmann and Count Nicolaus von Zinzendorf, leading a small group of Moravians, founded the mission community of Bethlehem along the banks of the Monocacy Creek by the Lehigh River in the colony of Pennsylvania. They named the settlement after the town of Bethlehem in Judea, the birthplace of Jesus. Originally it was a typical Moravian Settlement Congregation, where the Church owned all the property. Until the 1850s, only members of the Moravian Church were permitted to lease land plots in Bethlehem. The historic Brethren's House, Sisters' House, Widows' House and Gemeinhaus (Congregation House) with the Old Chapel are remnants of this period of communal living.

en.wikipedia.org...#

Eugene Grace, President of Bethlehem Steel Corporation.

The city is the location of Pennsylvania's largest casino, the Sands Casino Resort Bethlehem, located on the former Bethlehem Steel property.

en.wikipedia.org...

I think getting rid of the evidence harboured in the pentagon was merely a bonus, the increase in put options a way for people in the know to make money. I still think the main reason was to galvanize the population for the coming wars and to push through the patriot and victory acts.

Please read the link in the OP. It is long, and heavy. But it will make your hair stand on end. All you have to do is follow the yellow brick road (the money) and it all becomes obvious. A conspiracy so monstrous no one will believe that human beings could actually do this. That's how they get away with it.

There were certain ten year bonds issued on September 11, 1991. They were coming due THAT DAY. Just a coincidence!

Rumsfeld admitted to some billions being "missing" from the Pentagon on Sept 10 2001. What ever happened to that? Anyone?

There is much more to it than merely a ton of put options, or Silverstein's huge windfall. Those are SMALL POTATOES. We're talking tens of thousands of TONS of gold, leveraged to own the whole world. You wanna find out how deep that rabbit hole goes?

The same cast of characters are involved over and over again in most of the really bad stuff that has happened for the last fifty years, at least, but it goes way back further than that. The WTC was mainly a coverup of evidence that would have brought a lot of bad things to light. Bonus: it justified all the pre planned invasions on the Invasion Timetable. Double Bonus: Insurance Double Payout!

The things it would have brought to light are even worse than all that! This much coincidence in any court would make any jury say "guilty". But there is no PROOF.

Originally posted by Cassius666
I think getting rid of the evidence harboured in the pentagon was merely a bonus, the increase in put options a way for people in the know to make money. I still think the main reason was to galvanize the population for the coming wars and to push through the patriot and victory acts.

The pentagon hit was the office of the investigators. 37 of the 40 investigators were killed. No one else got a scratch, since there was no one in that wing of the Pentagon. Just those guys, who had been suddenly moved in there a month before.

The two main firms being investigated happened to be the offices (containing the evidence) right where the planes hit on each tower of the WTC. How's that for a coincidence?

Originally posted by CaptChaos
If the investigation were conducted like a normal police investigation, it looks very different. If it were a RICO case, the question qui bono or who benefits is the first way to point fingers towards the guilty parties. Obviously, no one in Afghanistan or Iraq has benefited in any way from this. None of the real people, at least, Halliburton is raking in billions off the war along with plenty of other vultures.

There was much said about the huge surge in put options of AA and Delta the day before. No one seemed to squawk much about how the SEC somehow can't figure out who placed all these put options. Now, I'm not in the habit of placing hundred million dollar put options, but I'm pretty sure you can't just do it anonymously, otherwise insider trading would be the norm. However, those options are a mere drop in the bucket. And let's not forget the "misplaced" billions at the Pentagon Rummy admitted on Sept 10, which were never mentioned again.

When looking at the Pentagon, according to the OS the plane circled almost completely around the building, passing over the Capitol and the White House. Somehow, those were not considered good enough targets for those "islamofascists" . After spiraling almost completely around, the "plane" struck the one side of the five sided structure that was nearly empty due to remodeling, and had been for a long time. Since an operation of this magnitude requires at least a little planning, it's likely the pilot, or whomever was controlling the "plane' would at least have had a fair inkling that that side of the Pentagon had been under construction for over a year. It was not a secret.

Since the White House and the Capitol were passed over, obviously those were not targets. The "plane" obviously had a specific target in mind. There was only one office occupied in that wing of the Pentagon: The Office of Naval Investigations. They were busy investigating massive money laundering involving ten year bonds from .............Sept 11, 1991. All their files containing the work of years of investigations, and all the evidence amassed, were destroyed in the attack.

And the two main clearing firms under investigation? The other two planes just happened to strike right into their offices in the WTC, conveniently destroying all the evidence. Hmmm.

When looked at as a racketeering investigation, it suddenly looks like it has a lot to do with the forced collapse of the Soviet economy, and the consequent looting of resources in the early 90s by "oligarchs" there. It goes back to the Iran Contra affair, and more. Evidence was destroyed to cover up massive fraud committed by people in high places.

911 coverup

An investigation like a police investigation has been conducted, you just haven't read it yet.

Read Dr. Judy Wood' book "Where Did The Towers Go"

Originally posted by downunderET

Originally posted by CaptChaos
If the investigation were conducted like a normal police investigation, it looks very different. If it were a RICO case, the question qui bono or who benefits is the first way to point fingers towards the guilty parties. Obviously, no one in Afghanistan or Iraq has benefited in any way from this. None of the real people, at least, Halliburton is raking in billions off the war along with plenty of other vultures.

There was much said about the huge surge in put options of AA and Delta the day before. No one seemed to squawk much about how the SEC somehow can't figure out who placed all these put options. Now, I'm not in the habit of placing hundred million dollar put options, but I'm pretty sure you can't just do it anonymously, otherwise insider trading would be the norm. However, those options are a mere drop in the bucket. And let's not forget the "misplaced" billions at the Pentagon Rummy admitted on Sept 10, which were never mentioned again.

When looking at the Pentagon, according to the OS the plane circled almost completely around the building, passing over the Capitol and the White House. Somehow, those were not considered good enough targets for those "islamofascists" . After spiraling almost completely around, the "plane" struck the one side of the five sided structure that was nearly empty due to remodeling, and had been for a long time. Since an operation of this magnitude requires at least a little planning, it's likely the pilot, or whomever was controlling the "plane' would at least have had a fair inkling that that side of the Pentagon had been under construction for over a year. It was not a secret.

Since the White House and the Capitol were passed over, obviously those were not targets. The "plane" obviously had a specific target in mind. There was only one office occupied in that wing of the Pentagon: The Office of Naval Investigations. They were busy investigating massive money laundering involving ten year bonds from .............Sept 11, 1991. All their files containing the work of years of investigations, and all the evidence amassed, were destroyed in the attack.

And the two main clearing firms under investigation? The other two planes just happened to strike right into their offices in the WTC, conveniently destroying all the evidence. Hmmm.

When looked at as a racketeering investigation, it suddenly looks like it has a lot to do with the forced collapse of the Soviet economy, and the consequent looting of resources in the early 90s by "oligarchs" there. It goes back to the Iran Contra affair, and more. Evidence was destroyed to cover up massive fraud committed by people in high places.

911 coverup

An investigation like a police investigation has been conducted, you just haven't read it yet.

Read Dr. Judy Wood' book "Where Did The Towers Go"

Directed Energy Weapons?

Honestly, the OP was referring to an earth-based, not to mention reality based motive. Money and good, old-fashioned corruption.

Have you read the article?

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The Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth requested an FBI investigation based upon their evidence of demolition.

The FBI told them that even though their evidence was very solid that they were told that ANY investigation in WTC/911 will not be tolerated and will subsequently equate to career suicide at the Bureau.

The fix is apparently in folks !

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heh...isn't that like asking the SS to investigate the Reichstag fire?

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by TupacShakur

 

Look at what's been happening to our very freedom at home.

Name one freedom you have lost that was guaranteed by our forefathers.

Name one reason why you call them "our forefathers".

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You failed to mention that the side of the Pentagon that was allegedly impacted by the plane was actually the DOD's accountacy offices, the very same offices from where the 2.3 trillion dollares had allegedly vanished that Rummy mentioned in his famous speech on the 10th sept.

So all paper work, files, database systems etc where destroyed by the impact of the missile, sorry did i say missile, i meant aircraft shaped, thing.......

French inteligence officer and artillery specialst Pierre Henri Brunel said -

"In the case of a combustion engine, like the turboreactor of a 757, the aviation fuel under pressure would create a deflagration and not an explosion.
The colours generated explain it all.
In explosions, the shock wave moves quickly and it generates a flame that changes though orange to red.
Its of brief duration and gives an impression of being radial, because of the brutal increment in temprature.
When you compare the flames at the Pentagon, the fireballs in the WTC´s, are less intense, more yellowish, and clearer, that shows us that they generate lower temperatures than the Pentagon, whos explosion happens INSIDE the building, and expands outwards.
The fire that consumes the WTC´s is of kerosene, aviation fuel. Meanwhile the Pentagon is an explosion.
The fireball that leaves the WTC`s goes out and down, while the Pentagon goes out and UP, showing higher temperatures and greater evaporation".

This guy knows his explosives.
He said contacts within the CIA had told him it was a land based cruise missile.
READ MORE HERE IN AN EARLIER ATS THREAD

Also BRYAN JACK a DOD number cruncher who should have been behind his office desk on the 1st floor where whatever it was impacted had to go (strangely) that day to California...and was on flight 77 that allegedly impacted into his office.

Pentagon fiscal defecit 1999 -1.1 trillion
Pentagon fiscal defecit 2000 - 2.3 trillion

So the offices from where the 3.4 trillion would have originated were pulverised. destroy phsyical evidence and possible whistleblowers in one fail swoop.

Maybe Bryan knew where it went.