US sends aircraft carrier in the middle of Iranian wargames

Originally posted by UnivoxSuperfuzz

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by filosophia

 

A similar thing happened to bring america into war with germany. At least now the world is awake and watching their criminal acts.

The Strait of Hormuz is the only way in or out of the area. Is this not deliberate provocation by the Iranians? Iran has no special privilege to occupy or close an international waterway. 

What right does AMERICA have to the Strait? If you haven't noticed we're on the opposite side of the globe and Iran is right next to it.

And it's none of OUR business what's going on in the area. It IS Iran's business as it has extreme military and political implications for them. Jesus, these blind fascists just don't know when to stop.

Let me get this straight. You think it is Iran's buisness to threaten the worlds oil supplies and that the world should just ignore it? Also when you toss around a term like facists it makes pretty much everything else you say come off as poorly thought out rant.

Heh. If Iran tried to pull this crap they would not have anything that would float on or below the water left in about 24 hours. I don't think they would have anywhere left to launch anything either.

To people making comments about the submarine being on the surface... The submarine has to be on the surface to be at its full speed... otherwise the ships on the surface would have to keep pace with the submarine going along at a snails pace underwater.

reply to post by MrSpad


I apologize that i pigeon toed my own argument with word choice. But my point still stands. If our government had any brains at all, we'd get our act together and stop destroying people's lives just for a resource. We have enough under our own soil, and even if we didn't, we should figure something else out.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Violater1

 

With the sub on the surface, I agree.

Just a bit of chest beating.

That picture was taken years ago and does not reflect the current makeup of a Carrier Strike Group. Further, there is ALWAYS a carrier in the region, and 75% of the time there are two. The USS Abraham Lincoln is headed that way now and either is already or soon will be on station in the same area. Since Stratfor is down my usual source of info is unavailable for the moment.

In other words, this is normal. No one needs to get their panties in a twist unless a third carrier shows up. It is theoretically possible that the Vinson could be diverted to the area. If that happens (not saying it will or is even contemplated), then it's pretty well guranteed that something is up.

A carrier has more firepower than 90% of the world's air forces. It could single-handedly gain air superiority over Iran within 24 hours. Iran is no match for a Carrier Strike Group. The "chest beating" here is being done by Iran. No carrier is going to get sunk by an old torpedo or some crazy guys in an inflatable.

Iran has advanced surface to sea missiles that can light up an aircraft carrier, these missiles are so fast that the Phalanx gun system will not have time to lock on the target and fire.

Originally posted by Violater1
Here is a photo of the USS Stennis and the rest of his posse.

This has D.F.W.M. written all over it.

This is a staged photo from a US Navy archive shot done for promo purposes. It's probably not the Stennis and the Carrier Groups as it's called would not be in such a tight formation. More importantly, the attack sub would not be on the surface. The strait is an international waterway a close would be an act of international provocation by the Iranians and should engender an international response

reply to post by star in a jar


Not to mention that Iran still has the f14 tomcats we gave them and Phoenix air to air missiles with a 120 mile range. The AMRAAM's the US uses have a range of 30-40 miles.

Originally posted by star in a jar
To people making comments about the submarine being on the surface... The submarine has to be on the surface to be at its full speed... otherwise the ships on the surface would have to keep pace with the submarine going along at a snails pace underwater.

"a snails pace" ?? That's just wrong. A submerged attack sub can easily outrun an aircraft carrier which is capable of about 45 knots at WOT. you need to get your facts straight.

Originally posted by star in a jar
To people making comments about the submarine being on the surface... The submarine has to be on the surface to be at its full speed... otherwise the ships on the surface would have to keep pace with the submarine going along at a snails pace underwater.

All nuclear submarines are faster when submerged due to less hydrodynamic drag.

Diesel/Electric submarines are slower when submerged due to the limited power available from the batteries.

Originally posted by METACOMET
reply to post by star in a jar

 

Not to mention that Iran still has the f14 tomcats we gave them and Phoenix air to air missiles with a 120 mile range. The AMRAAM's the US uses have a range of 30-40 miles.

The Iranian Air Force has MAYBE 25 F-14s that can even still fly, which they got in 1976. their inventory of F-4 and F-5s is even worse. My guess is that in a confrontation with even one Carrier Strike Group, there would be no Iranian survivors and they wouldn't land even one missile on target.

reply to post by schuyler


A carrier strike group is an awesome show of power, no doubt. Iran would lose air superiority rather quickly. However, I don't think there is much doubt that the f14 is a more capable air superiority aircraft than the f18. IF Iran got them in the air, it would be an interesting match.

Originally posted by star in a jar

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Violater1

 

With the sub on the surface, I agree.

Just a bit of chest beating.

That picture was taken years ago and does not reflect the current makeup of a Carrier Strike Group. Further, there is ALWAYS a carrier in the region, and 75% of the time there are two. The USS Abraham Lincoln is headed that way now and either is already or soon will be on station in the same area. Since Stratfor is down my usual source of info is unavailable for the moment.

In other words, this is normal. No one needs to get their panties in a twist unless a third carrier shows up. It is theoretically possible that the Vinson could be diverted to the area. If that happens (not saying it will or is even contemplated), then it's pretty well guranteed that something is up.

A carrier has more firepower than 90% of the world's air forces. It could single-handedly gain air superiority over Iran within 24 hours. Iran is no match for a Carrier Strike Group. The "chest beating" here is being done by Iran. No carrier is going to get sunk by an old torpedo or some crazy guys in an inflatable.

Iran has advanced surface to sea missiles that can light up an aircraft carrier, these missiles are so fast that the Phalanx gun system will not have time to lock on the target and fire.

Which is why the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile was developed as point defense to counter supersonic anti-ship missile cruise missile threats like BrahMos

The RAM program is designed to provide surface ships with an effective, low-cost, lightweight, self-defense system which will provide an improved capability to engage and defeat incoming antiship cruise missiles (ASCMs)

RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile

LOL ummmm DUH!!! This is NOT a recent photo that Iran took of the Stennis. This IS a photo of what the Stennis takes along with it (including surfaced sub) so that folks can see what a carrier group conists of.

That being said, if the Stennis is in the straight, then this is what she is packing.......

Originally posted by bladerunner44

Originally posted by Violater1
Here is a photo of the USS Stennis and the rest of his posse.

This has D.F.W.M. written all over it.

This is a staged photo from a US Navy archive shot done for promo purposes. It's probably not the Stennis and the Carrier Groups as it's called would not be in such a tight formation. More importantly, the attack sub would not be on the surface. The strait is an international waterway a close would be an act of international provocation by the Iranians and should engender an international response

Vitchillo... Would you like a depression to occur>? Iran's blocking the strait of Hormuz would collapse the world economy. Not only would they be hurting America, but the entire world. It is thus absolutely necessary to prevent Iran's ability to block the strait. If that means a naval war, then a naval war there will be.

reply to post by dontreally

How about "WE" lift the sanctions against Iran?
What has Iran done to deserve economic sanctions?
Why are WE declaring economic war with Iran?
There may be bloodshed, innocent men, women, and children killed on all sides. The blood will be on the hands of those that caused this to happen. Of course, their hands are already stained red, and their souls are black.
You are on the wrong side.

Delete plz.
Sorry

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow

What has Iran done to deserve economic sanctions?

It's nuclear program, its bellicose rhetoric against Israel - which they wont even call Israel, but the "zionist regime"... And of course its lack of transparency in the above nuclear program. Even the recent IAEA report bases itself on periphery sources, because Iran refuses any oversight on its program.

Iran is party to the non-proliferation treaty. If it wants nuclear energy, it must follow international protocol - which it hasn't done, and it hasnt done that because ultimately what they want is a nuclear weapon as political leverage against Israel - which would mean the end of Israel's leverage against those enemies who want to destroy it.

reply to post by dontreally

Israel follows none of that. Israel, by definition, is a rogue state.
Rogue Status
Israel has how many nukes, dontreally?

reply to post by SurrealisticPillow

How does Israel threaten world peace?

reply to post by dontreally

Many ways, as you undoubtedly must know.
First, they control the U.S. government.
But, quid pro quo...what leader in Israel stated as much?