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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by colbe
I would like to share, once more, it is not true that our Justification is a one time event (OSAS heresy) or that Salvation is a "free" gift. Both are wrong.
You make Jesus a liar when you say that, do you realize this? He said "No man can come to me unless my Father first draw that man", then says "Anyone who calls upon me I will in no wise cast out." He also said that we who believe in Him "already have eternal life". Not hopefully sometime in the future, He said we already posses it.
Did you hastily pass over my question? How many of your sins were yet future when Christ hung on the cross? Next Q: How can we pay for sins that Christ has already died for?
David is re-justified before God. This proves that we can be justified before God, then lose our justification, and then be re-justified through repentance and reconciliation with God.
How ridiculously maddening your Theology is. What do you do? Do you hope and pray that your good days cancel out your bad days? Do you keep a list of sins and good works, always making sure the good works list is longer than the list of sins??
Check out Romans 14, Paul argues that people meticulously trying to keep the law and all the ordinances are spiritually "weak"er than the Christian who realizes his freedom in Christ. That's why he says that under grace all things are lawful, but not all are expedient. When exercising our freedom in Christ we should never be an offense to another brother who is still convinced in his mind that the thing is bad. If we do that we sin. Whatever is not done out of faith is sin.
You can lose your reward based on your faithfulness, not your salvation. All your works can be burnt up, yet you yourself shall still be saved. In the Prodigal Son parable the wayward son lost his inheritance, but his sonship was never lost.
Every Christian needs a book of Systematic Theology, I don't think you have one, I really suggest you investing the money to get one. I think my last one was like 30 dollars.
Originally posted by newyorkee
reply to post by Lee78
I cant agree more.....after the proof provided as to what day it originally was.....why it was changed for christians....whats the point....
If I want to read the bible I will.....this whole thread is about interpretation of scripture at this point......I like to learn from it....but this is insane.....I cant really follow all these random thoughts and directions on something that has IMO nothing to do with proving or disproving the OP......
Saturday.....cool......now sunday.....got it as to why.....anything else ?¿??
edit on 30-12-2011 by newyorkee because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by colbe
People will argue Scripture forever. You can twist Scripture to mean
what you want, taking it out context and if you have no authority to
interpret it, you end up preaching nothing but error.
Again, we can know what the Apostles have passed down, we are no
longer in the Old Covenant. We honor Jesus and God the Father
worshiping Them on Sunday.
It's pride here denying the practices of the first Christians. Read the
quotes of the men taught by the Apostles. I'll post a couple. Look
at the dates, figure it out dear people.
Originally posted by bottlenoze
The answer to your question is Satan. He is the one who changed the day by means of another organization. He is the original and ultimate conspirator.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Dan_7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Who Made Sunday Holy?
“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord' was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church's sense of its own power…People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” — St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.
“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” — Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.
Who Do We Reverence by Keeping Sunday Holy?
“It was the Catholic church which…has transferred this rest to Sunday in remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord. Therefore the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is an homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) church.” — Monsignor Louis Segur, Plain Talk About the Protestantism of Today, p. 213.
Info came from here
For more in-depth info on the Sabbath, please go here
As far as the law being done away with, I recommend checking out these short videos with your bible in hand. They are extremely helpful.
There is much more that could be said on the topic, but I will leave you with this for now. Bless you all.
You can lose your salvation. Do not listen to heresy.
Originally posted by colbe
Justification is not a one time event. You can fall (sin) and never repent.
OSAS is not true.
1 Cor 10:12
Wherefore he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall.
Matt. 24:13, RS: “He who endures to the end will be saved.”
Phil. 2:12, RS: “As you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
Heb. 10:26, 27, RS: “If we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.”
Hebrews 6:4-6, " For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, 5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, 6 but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame. "