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posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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Dear lonewolf19792000,

If you look two above your post that I am responding to, you will find that I said basically the same thing. As for who can be saved, I leave that to God. Jesus said that it was harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle; but, he also said that for God all things were possible. I don't think being Catholic is the unforgivable sin. Let us pray for all and accept that our understanding may also be imperfect. Peace.




posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Mosaic Law is still in effect.


Wow, that reaaaaaaaly blows then, that means salvation isn't availible to the gentiles and the Jews have had no temple to atone for sins for almost 2,000 years now.

Sucks to be us.





posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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In this begining supposedly recorded in Genesis g-d lies and the snake tells the truth.
eve and adam eat the apple and do not die and are declared to be like gods. READ IT YOURSELVES AND EXAMINE.


What tripe. Satan is the on who deceived Eve. God didn't lie, Adam is dead. Since God made the deceleration would we not be using His wristwatch to count the "day" that Adam would die? If my memory serves me correctly Adam didn't live to be 1,000 yrs old.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by Alchemst7
I believe Revelations 12 thru 14 is identifying who Gods people are and the wisdom and knowledge Gods people understand. many times does these 3 chapters repeat:

source: Bible Gateway

Rev 14: 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus

or Rev 14:7 He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” (Why is this quote of Exedus 10 commandments given to identify the sabbath or who to rest into?)

or Rev 12: 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. (again, those who Keep Gods commandments and the testimony of Christ!)

And if you say we are no longer under the commandments, does that mean I can now commit adultery with your wife, or can I now steal from you, or can I kill you? What difference is keeping the sabbath any differnt from using the Lords name in vein, or worshipping false idols. Revelations gives a Key to understand who Gods remnant people are and who the devil will wage war against!



You're correct on what Revelation says, but you're completely not considering what two commandments Christ gave under the New Covenant. Love God, Love people. In doing these two we fulfill the entire law. That's why Jesus said His burden was light and His yoke was easy.

2 commandments. If you committed adultery with my wife you've sinned against her and me, that's failing to love your fellow man. Same with murder, same with stealing from me. Everything you mentioned is sinning against fellow man, that would certainly violate Christ's 2 command would it not?



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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Lol, nobody can do that. I'd be surprised if anyone nowadays knows who they were decended from passed 200 years ago.


People 'nowadays' didn't pen the genealogies in Genesis.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dear lonewolf19792000,

If you look two above your post that I am responding to, you will find that I said basically the same thing. As for who can be saved, I leave that to God. Jesus said that it was harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle; but, he also said that for God all things were possible. I don't think being Catholic is the unforgivable sin. Let us pray for all and accept that our understanding may also be imperfect. Peace.


I didn't say being catholic was the unforgiveable sin either. I just said Roman Catholic Church (specifically the Vatican) are idolaters. Here's something you might want to take a look at:

Vatican and idol worship

It's just a wake up call bro. i wouldn't tell you these things if i didn't care about you. The church has been infested with anti-christ right down to the core (even protestant churches). I am not saying all catholics are this way but the Pope definately is. The word "Pope" means Father and Jesus said that no man is to claim that title for himself. There is idolatry imbedded in there so secret that most catholics don't even recognize what they are doing but reading the word of God will help you see the truth. You can get a new king james version or new international version, both work well. An idol is any image made in the likeness of anything in heaven or on earth, when catholics show Jesus still on the cross in their churches (i've been to a few and seen them) that is an idol. No one even knows what Jesus looks like so it is not an accurate depiction, even the Shroud of Turin is an Idol. Statues of the virgin mary are idols too.

You can serve and worship Jesus without being crammed into that organisation, being a part of the "church" does not mean youre a part of religion. The Church is a spiritual entity, a state of being, a personal relationship with Jesus, a spiritual brotherhood, not a physical location or a worldly organisation. Just pick up one of those bibles and read it. Theres nothing wrong with meeting at a place and fellowshipping and worshipping with brothers and sisters in Christ, but don't fall into religion. Religion doesn't save you, only faith in Jesus can.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:51 PM
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1) Why is it, that people with no religious ties, or desires, find a need to attack those making statements, in an obvious religious forum.

2) The 4th commandment is indeed of the law...and Christ came not to destroy the law, but to magnify it.

3) The only sin not forgiven, is a sin not acknowledged, and prayed to be forgiven for.

4) Main stream Christianity, due to the enactment of the council of Nicaea...changed the day of worship for all Christians to Sunday...from the known Saturday worship by the Jews, so as to be not associated to them for their Non-Christian beliefs.

5) There by, Main stream Christianity of today, does not acknowledge this as a sin.

6) The Law states to REMEMBER the Sabbath, That is their lack of adherence to the Law...it makes no diff which day the current "Church Gov uses as the day of worship...it is to us to REMEMBER the true Sabbath, and to keep that day HOLY...you can go to church any day, or none, that doesn't matter.

7) Believe me, that regardless of the change in calenders to the Gregorian by the Catholic Church, the Jews have kept the same day for Millennium...and have counted every 7th day as the Sabbath.


You decide...History has already done the counting.

Don't be fooled or deceived by those who don't believe.

Just, Remember the Sabbath and you will not have broken the Law

In Revelations John states, that those who over come the beast have two things...those who hold the commandments of God, and the faith in Jesus


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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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Just, Remember the Sabbath and you will not have broken the Law .


Doesn't matter, everyone other than Christ has failed the law. To fail in one part is to fail the entire law. The Sabbath, just like any other OT feast, holy day, ritual, et cetra was just a picture and foreshadow of Christ. Now that Christ has come and fulfilled the law, nailing it to the cross, we no longer need the shadow. We rest in Christ continually now.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Sorry, but my book says that only a remnant will make it through tribulation with washed robes...as John said only those who hold the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus will make it with white robes...sorry to be such a stickler on the LETTER of the Law as Christ so eloquently stated....you have been fooled by the church into thinking that by simply believing you are saved...read revelations...when he stated ..."oh lord lord...didn't we cast out demons in your name" and Christ's reply is that "I don't know you"...oh you can believe...but as John points out there are two parts.

You must have faith in Jesus, and hold the Commandments of God...there is no in between. And if you have broken one ...you have broken all...true, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God...and our most righteous, acts are but filthy rags. No one will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of tribulation...We will begin in a new world...He walked in our shoes...he was tempted as we are...and only He has conquered death.

I was only making a statement on the commandments...which by the way were not nailed to the cross...it was the 1400 statutes that went away...the 10 commandment of God remain, as Christ stated.

And yes it is only by grace that we are redeemed...so I suppose I really agree with you...in a sense.


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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by colbe

We are all dependent on what the Apostles and first Christians held
dear and passed on to us. How silly to think they didn't know which
day of the week they assembled to worship God.

The Sabbath was changed to the Lord's Day (see Revelation) to honor Christ, His Resurrection. He arose on Sunday. This is the New Covenant.

"Break bread" was a term for the Holy Eucharist and Paul uses
the term Eucharist which means thanksgiving in the Gospel.

The first day of the week is Sunday.


Acts Of Apostles 20:7
And on the first day of the week, when we were assembled to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, being to depart on the morrow: and he continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him; that when I come, the collections be not then to be made.

Apocalypse (Revelation) 1:10
I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,



Sure is pride all the denials the Sabbath prophesied to be changed in
the Old Testament. Nope, some will not believe. The Sabbath is
now the Lord's Day. Christians gather together to worship God
on Sunday, the first day of the week.

I guess, it's fine to ignore the verses above? Who could stand to
follow their own pride instead of the Truth. Like the first Christians
didn't know. Tee hee.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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By the way, He did not Rise on Sunday...the empty tomb was discovered on Sunday morning...but he had already risen on Saturday the Sabbath.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Andronian
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Sorry, but my book says that only a remnant will make it through tribulation with washed robes...


Did you not read Romans? Even "nakedness" will not separate us from the love of Christ. And I'll give you a hint, that's talking about our raiment, not that we should shower with our clothes on.


as John said only those who hold the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus will make it with white robes...


I totally agree with you!!! And what were the two commandments of the new covenant Christ gave us to follow?


sorry to be such a stickler on the LETTER of the Law as Christ so eloquently stated....you have been fooled by the church into thinking that by simply believing you are saved...


Dear Jesus, *sigh*.

Have you ever read John?

"28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

Or:

"40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

What about this:


"47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."




read revelations...


It's "Revelation", singular and specific. Please don't exhort me to read a book of the Bible that you can't even get the title correct to.


when he stated ..."oh lord lord...didn't we cast out demons in your name" and Christ's reply is that "I don't know you"...oh you can believe...but as John points out there are two parts.


Okay, I'm about at the limit of tripe I can stomach. Christ's reply wasn't "I don't know you.", it was "I NEVER knew you..". That tells us that those people were "never" in a covenant relationship with Him. But that's not the biggest mistake you made which is this:

EVERYONE will be calling Him "Lord, Lord" on judgment day. EVERYONE. At that time all will know that He is God, meaning that anyone throughout human history who thought they were doing something "for god" will be making that statement to Him. The Muslim, the Mayan, the Hindu, the Jew, the Christian, et cetra, et cetra.



And if you have broken one ...you have broken all...true, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God...and our most righteous, acts are but filthy rags.


So then why are you trying to suggest we can keep the law? We can't. That's why Jesus came to die for us.


No one will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of tribulation...


Correct, that doesn't happen until 1,000 years later at the Great White Throne judgment. It happens at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.


We will begin in a new world...He walked in our shoes...he was tempted as we are...and only He has conquered death.


We agree here.


I was only making a statement on the commandments...which by the way were not nailed to the cross...it was the 1400 statutes that went away...the 10 commandment of God remain, as Christ stated.


No, our debt to the law was nailed to the cross. It's a metaphor.


And yes it is only by grace that we are redeemed...so I suppose I really agree with you...in a sense.


Correct, justification before God is a free gift. Sanctification is a lifelong process. And faithfulness will be judged for the Christian. Rewards can be won for faithfulness, or lost for lack thereof. But salvation is never in danger of being taken away. You can forfeit your inheritance just as the son did in the Prodigal Son parable, but he never lost his sonship. You'll notice a slight subtlety, there is a difference in the Bible between "inheriting" heaven and being "joint heirs with Christ", and "entering heaven".

The point is, to be as faithful as we possibly can by the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I do appreciate you responding to my post though.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by Andronian
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By the way, He did not Rise on Sunday...the empty tomb was discovered on Sunday morning...but he had already risen on Saturday the Sabbath.



Not true friend. It's documented. The first Christians, the Apostles
would know. Actually, in the prophetic, Our Lord has revealed the exact time, He arose from the dead at 3:00 a.m.

It's pride to deny what the first Christians have passed down. It's important don't you think to know the day Our Lord was born and the day of His Resurrection, yes?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Andronian
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Sorry, but my book says that only a remnant will make it through tribulation with washed robes...


Did you not read Romans? Even "nakedness" will not separate us from the love of Christ. And I'll give you a hint, that's talking about our raiment, not that we should shower with our clothes on.


as John said only those who hold the Commandments of God and the faith in Jesus will make it with white robes...


I totally agree with you!!! And what were the two commandments of the new covenant Christ gave us to follow?


sorry to be such a stickler on the LETTER of the Law as Christ so eloquently stated....you have been fooled by the church into thinking that by simply believing you are saved...


Dear Jesus, *sigh*.

Have you ever read John?

"28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

Or:

"40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

What about this:


"47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."




read revelations...


It's "Revelation", singular and specific. Please don't exhort me to read a book of the Bible that you can't even get the title correct to.


when he stated ..."oh lord lord...didn't we cast out demons in your name" and Christ's reply is that "I don't know you"...oh you can believe...but as John points out there are two parts.


Okay, I'm about at the limit of tripe I can stomach. Christ's reply wasn't "I don't know you.", it was "I NEVER knew you..". That tells us that those people were "never" in a covenant relationship with Him. But that's not the biggest mistake you made which is this:

EVERYONE will be calling Him "Lord, Lord" on judgment day. EVERYONE. At that time all will know that He is God, meaning that anyone throughout human history who thought they were doing something "for god" will be making that statement to Him. The Muslim, the Mayan, the Hindu, the Jew, the Christian, et cetra, et cetra.



And if you have broken one ...you have broken all...true, we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God...and our most righteous, acts are but filthy rags.


So then why are you trying to suggest we can keep the law? We can't. That's why Jesus came to die for us.


No one will be cast into the lake of fire at the end of tribulation...


Correct, that doesn't happen until 1,000 years later at the Great White Throne judgment. It happens at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ.


We will begin in a new world...He walked in our shoes...he was tempted as we are...and only He has conquered death.


We agree here.


I was only making a statement on the commandments...which by the way were not nailed to the cross...it was the 1400 statutes that went away...the 10 commandment of God remain, as Christ stated.


No, our debt to the law was nailed to the cross. It's a metaphor.


And yes it is only by grace that we are redeemed...so I suppose I really agree with you...in a sense.


Correct, justification before God is a free gift. Sanctification is a lifelong process. And faithfulness will be judged for the Christian. Rewards can be won for faithfulness, or lost for lack thereof. But salvation is never in danger of being taken away. You can forfeit your inheritance just as the son did in the Prodigal Son parable, but he never lost his sonship. You'll notice a slight subtlety, there is a difference in the Bible between "inheriting" heaven and being "joint heirs with Christ", and "entering heaven".

The point is, to be as faithful as we possibly can by the leading and guidance of the Holy Spirit. I do appreciate you responding to my post though.



Our justification is ongoing until we die, it's past, present and future.
It is not a free gift. Like our sanctification, it is a life long process.

So many verses confirm the fact. Why "persevere till the end" if Salvation
is a free gift? There are a ton of verses. You can lose your Salvation,
dying unrepented with mortal sin on your soul.

It is GRACE that is a free gift.

Redemption and justification are two different words, they are not the same. I can post more Scripture verses to show our justification is
a life long process.


blessings,

colbe



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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NoTurTypical,

Notice the Chapter and verse and important, the Church interpretation of those verses. Our justification and sanctification are a life long process. We have a fallen nature, capable of good but also a desire
to sin. That's why regular Confession of our sins and daily prayer is very, very important.

love,

colbe

+ + +

Some Examples of Justification as Ongoing (not a one-time event)

2 Cor. 4:16 - though our outer nature is wasting away, our inner nature is being renewed "every day." This not only proves that justification is internal (not legal and external), but that it is also ongoing (it's not a one-time event of accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior). Our inner nature is being renewed every day as we persevere in faith, hope and love.

John 3:16 - justification is ongoing, not a one-time event. God so loved (past) the world, that He gave (past) His only Son, that whoever believes (ongoing) in Him may have eternal life. The word “believes” is “pisteuo” in Greek which necessarily includes obedience throughout one’s life. This is proved by 1 Peter 2:7-8 which also uses “pisteuo” (to obey) and “apitheo” (to disobey). The same word “pisteuo” is used in many other verses about “believing in Christ” such as John 3:36; 5:24; Rom. 4:24; 10:9-10; cf. Rom. 1:5,16; 6:17; 16:26; 1 John 5:13 (often used by Protestants to support their “faith alone” theology). To “believe” means to “obey” throughout one’s life; it is not a one-time acceptance of Jesus as Savior.

Heb. 5:9 – Paul also confirms this by writing that Jesus became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him. Here are some examples of justification as an on-going process, and not a one-time event:

Gen. 12:1-4 – Abram is justified here, as God promises to make his name great and bless the families of the earth through his seed. Abram is justified by his faith in God. Heb. 11:8-10 confirms Abraham's justification occurred here, before Gen. 15:6 (later) by referring to Gen. 12, not Gen. 15. Abraham's justification increased over time because justification is not a one-time event, but an ongoing process of growing in holiness.

Gen. 14:19, 22-23 - Abram is also justified here, by being blessed by the priest-king Melchizedek. Melchizedek calls Abram blessed and Abram gives him a tenth of everything.

Gen. 15:6 – Abram is further justified here, as God promises him that his descendants will be as numerous as the stars. Because the Scripture says, “He believed the Lord, and He reckoned it to him as righteousness,” Protestants often say this was Abram’s initial justification, and cite Rom 4:2 to prove Abram was justified by his faith. Yes, it is true Abram was justified by his faith, but he was justified 25 years earlier in Gen. 12:1-4, as Heb. 11:8-10 proves.

Gen. 22:1-18 – Abraham is further justified here, this time by works, when he offered his son Isaac as a sacrifice to God. James 2:21 proves this as James writes, “Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?” James then confirms this by writing, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness” (James 2:23). These verses prove that justification before God is an on-going process, not a one-time event of accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior, and is accomplished by faith and works.

1 Sam. 13:14 - David is justified here, as God describes him as “a man after his own heart.” No one in Scripture is described like this. Acts 13:22 confirms David’s justification before God.

1 Sam. 16:13 – David is also justified here. “The Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward.”

1 Sam. 17:37-54 – David is further justified here, as he responds to God’s grace and God delivers him from the hand of Goliath the Philistine.

2 Sam. 6:9,14 – David is further justified here, as he expresses a fear for the Lord in the presence of His ark, and dances before the ark of the Lord with all his might.

2 Sam. 12:7-15 - however, after David’s on-going justification before God, David falls out of justification by committing adultery with Bathsheba and slaying Uriah the Hittite. David still had faith in God, but he lost his justification because of his evil works.

Psalm 32:1-2; Rom. 4:7-8; cf. 51:2,7-10,17 – David repents of his sin and writes these beautiful psalms about God’s mercy and forgiveness. Of himself, he writes, “Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered up.” David is re-justified before God. This proves that we can be justified before God, then lose our justification, and then be re-justified through repentance and reconciliation with God.

Matt. 16:18-19 – Jesus blesses Simon for receiving a Revelation from God, changes his name to Peter, and gives him the keys to the kingdom of heaven. In John 6:68-69, Peter, justified before God, declares that Jesus has the words of eternal life. In Luke 22:31-32, Jesus prays for Peter that his faith may not fail and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles. In these and many other examples, Peter is justified before God.

Matt. 26:75; Mark 14:72; John 18:17, 25-27 – Peter denies he knows Jesus and loses his justification before God.

John 21:15-17 – Peter is re-justified before God after he negates his three-fold denial of Jesus with a three-fold confirmation of his love for him. Jesus then charges Peter to feed the Lord’s sheep. Peter was justified, loses his justification, and regains it again through repentance and love.

Luke 15:24,32 - the prodigal son was dead, and now is alive again; he was lost and now is found. The prodigal son regained his father’s favor through repentance (v. 18-19,21). When we ask our Father for forgiveness, we too will regain His favor and be justified.

Acts 9:1- 17 - Protestants would say that Paul is instantly justified here, when he encounters Christ, obeys His command to enter the city, and is moved by the Holy Spirit. They would say that Paul’s sins are now covered up and Christ’s righteousness is imputed to him.

Acts 9:18; 22:16 - then why does Ananias command Saint Paul (who was directly chosen by Christ) to stand up and be baptized and "wash away" his sins? Because justification, as the Church has taught for 2,000 years, i



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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No, I'm not sure if you've ever studied Systematic Theology or not, but "Justification" and "Sanctification" are two different things. Justification means simply we are declared righteous. We aren't righteous of course, but on Christ's merits we are declared righteous. Sanctification makes us righteous, and that's a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit. The "renewing of the mind" is a continual thing, it's in the present tense, passive voice in the Greek. Our lives should be ones defined by prayer and repentance. Martin Luther said this, that a Christian's life should be one of repentance.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:38 AM
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Dear lonewold19792000,



You can serve and worship Jesus without being crammed into that organisation, being a part of the "church" does not mean youre a part of religion. The Church is a spiritual entity, a state of being, a personal relationship with Jesus, a spiritual brotherhood, not a physical location or a worldly organisation. Just pick up one of those bibles and read it. Theres nothing wrong with meeting at a place and fellowshipping and worshipping with brothers and sisters in Christ, but don't fall into religion. Religion doesn't save you, only faith in Jesus can.


We are good. I don't care what organization someone belongs to either. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself is good enough for me. Peace out.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by Sparky63
The Jews "day" ran from sunset to sunset. The 7th day of the week for them was sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. However this is a moot point if you are a Christian because of the following scriptures:


Rom. 10:4: “Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.”

Sabbath keeping was a part of that Law. God used Christ to bring that Law to its end. Our having a righteous standing with God depends on faith in Christ, not on keeping a weekly sabbath.


Col. 2:13-16: “[God] kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us . . . Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath.”


It seems clear that an approved standing with God no longer requires observance of the sabbath requirement given to Israel.



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No, no, don't use those verses, the Sabbath consecration happened before the law. Romans 14 is the chapter you want to source for Christians under the new covenant.

If you truly believe in the Sabbath, then you truly would need to enforce all laws surrounding it from the bible, if you're actually a good follower of the bible.

My neighbor worked at his family owned antique store during what would be considered the Sabbath, last week. Do you want his address to come stone him to death? If not, you're cherry picking what you do and do not follow from your fairy tale book.
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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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No, I'm not sure if you've ever studied Systematic Theology or not, but "Justification" and "Sanctification" are two different things. Justification means simply we are declared righteous. We aren't righteous of course, but on Christ's merits we are declared righteous. Sanctification makes us righteous, and that's a lifelong process of the Holy Spirit. The "renewing of the mind" is a continual thing, it's in the present tense, passive voice in the Greek. Our lives should be ones defined by prayer and repentance. Martin Luther said this, that a Christian's life should be one of repentance.


Yes, they have two different meanings just like "redemption" and "justification" mean two different things.

Look at all those verses, our Justification is not a given. A one time
event friend. The terrible heresies, like you are saved by a one time
event called the "altar call." And OSAS.

I wish you would look at those verses. Share with me, after reading
them, if you still believe Salvation is a free gift and a one time event. That goes against Scripture. I shared in CAPs, only God's grace is a free
gift. I hope those verses help you friend.


colbe



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by ovumcranium
It is a conspiracy in a way.

Ellen White (SDA) claimed the pope (Syvester I) changed the day from Saturday to Sunday, (from a vision of hers) and stated that those who keep the Pope's Sabbath will receive the Mark of the Beast. See details from Seventh Day Adventist sites.

BUT

It has been challenged that no one can find documented proof of this claim (thus claiming White was a false prophet). There is a lot of information and history out there, interesting reading.

Other information claim the apostles changed the date because Sunday was the day Jesus rose.

The Bible does prophesy that Satan would try to change dates and times - one reason why so many want to know if it was properly changed and what that can mean...


I am taking on board all of which you and others have said and are saying. I am searching for the truth and i WILL find it.I believe there is a conspiracy here, i really do. Like i said earlier and in a previous thread i havent always believed and over the last 4-5 years have started to see things from a different perspective.
In what you stated above i believe that what you say might be the case, at the moment though i am going to read through all of the replies because at the moment i have a few things that are playing on my mind with this.

1 I have always believed that the Sabbath day was a Sunday......for obvious reasons. Churches attended on Sundays, no working or should i say most places closed on Sundays its just what i was led to believe. I am not the only one surely?


2 Time yes TIME Now i am well aware that God created night and day, and also the seasons but when and where does it say God added hours, minutes and seconds?
Yes i am probably being aburd here but i think that TIME holds the key in relation to revealing the truth.

Someone posted earlier that mentions that time was altered yearly (spring forward +1, and Autumn -1 Fall) to keep seasons in check?
Without time they would be in check anyway....wouldnt they?

3 Same thing as above, Leap Years, why was this also implemented, when without time as in clock time, everything would run true anyway. Without the Leap Years what would the date actually be today? Most importantly how would this affect the prophecies and other things like the Mayan calendar for instance, because the way i see it, somewhere along the line man has believed they are more powerful than God and have decided to play his part. Where in other religious texts does it take into account Leap Years

Now you may think that these are off topic but think about what i am saying here, its all connected and could actually reveal a massive conspiracy, the question is though by WHO?



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