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You are looking through catholic glasses where you have to wait around to have the Pope tell you if something is true or not.
Everyone notice, jim did not give the name exactly of who canonized Scripture OR the exact year.
Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians | 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John | Jude | Revelation
. . . which one are those?
The schismatic sect of Rome.
Our Lord wants you to become Roman Catholic.
There were also divine entities ( figures of cherubim) embroidered onto the curtain of the Holy Place.
Explain then, the Ark of the Covenant? God instructed images of angels placed on it to decorate the Ark
Jesus was a cultural Jew. He did not live in Israel, since it has not existed since the time of the Assyrian Empire. His disciples were ethnic Jews. He would have grown up in a culturally Jewish home but in a gentile territory.
Explain then, the Ark of the Covenant? God instructed images of angels placed on it to decorate the Ark God means no graven images of FALSE gods. I love the image of Our Lord, the Sacred Heart of Jesus statue.
In order to have ammunition to argue with the Jewish doctors of the Law.
How many animals did he sacrifice and how much money did he change in the temple?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by colbe
You are looking through catholic glasses where you have to wait around to have the Pope tell you if something is true or not.
Everyone notice, jim did not give the name exactly of who canonized Scripture OR the exact year.Matthew | Mark | Luke | John | Acts | Romans | 1 Corinthians | 2 Corinthians | Galatians | Ephesians | Philippians | Colossians | 1 Thessalonians | 2 Thessalonians | 1 Timothy | 2 Timothy | Titus | Philemon | Hebrews | James | 1 Peter | 2 Peter | 1 John | 2 John | 3 John | Jude | Revelation
. . . which one are those?The schismatic sect of Rome.
Our Lord wants you to become Roman Catholic.edit on 28-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
You have a severe bias from exposing yourself to rabbis and such as if they have some sort of special knowledge better than "ordinary" Christians. All I can do is laugh at your post until I can't see for the tears in my eyes.
What is there to "back up"? Athanasius was a real person, you just admitted that.
You can't back up your Athanasius canonized Scripture you threw out there so you turn to the personal.
I accept that Paul mentions the name in Galatians and 1 Corinthians. I don't accept that the same person that Paul mentioned wrote the so-called Epistle of Barnabas.
You accept Barnabas in the Canon of Scripture and reject His words outside of Scripture.
The orthodox church, which is why they are called "Roman".
Who did Roman Catholicism "schism" from?
Rabbis are what they are, what I am critical of is people who say they believe in Jesus worshiping them as if they were closer to God than Christians.
To slander rabbis is both naive and, frankly, unintelligent, perhaps even bordering on stereotyping or far worse. At the very least, it's offensive. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
By "cut the mustard", do you mean they are going to Hell? Would you like to see people go to Hell in order to prove that you were right?
Most Gentile Christians will have a difficult time pleading their case before G-d when they are asked why they didn't keep the Sabbath as G-d had commanded. "I thought it was on Sunday" or "My church told me so" won't cut the mustard.
There is no brand like that, that I am aware of. If you are talking about me in particular, I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I don't think that religion fits your description. I think they have a pretty good reputation for being strict about following regulations.
Unfortunately, your brand of Christianity believes you can throw out the Ten Commandments, and violate all of G-d's rules and regulations without consequences.
How did Jesus "celebrate" the Sabbath? Does the Torah say to celebrate the Sabbath, or does it say to observe it?
Celebrate the Sabbath (on the correct day) as Christ did.
I had a conversation with one of his daughters on the phone a while back that I thought was interesting. We recorded it and you can download the MP3 file of it, if anyone wants the web address. You probably wouldn't because have probably talked to her yourself, but other people might.
. . . in Reverend Wrights Church here in Chicago . . .
Rabbis are what they are, what I am critical of is people who say they believe in Jesus worshiping them as if they were closer to God than Christians. That is "slander" against Christianity and Jesus, as if the church is futile and Jesus cannot save, and they Holy Spirit is powerless to enlighten.
By "cut the mustard", do you mean they are going to Hell? Would you like to see people go to Hell in order to prove that you were right?
There is no brand like that, that I am aware of. If you are talking about me in particular, I am a Seventh Day Adventist and I don't think that religion fits your description. I think they have a pretty good reputation for being strict about following regulations.
How did Jesus "celebrate" the Sabbath? Does the Torah say to celebrate the Sabbath, or does it say to observe it?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by colbe
What is there to "back up"? Athanasius was a real person, you just admitted that.
You can't back up your Athanasius canonized Scripture you threw out there so you turn to the personal.
He had a list of the New Testament books that he usedText by giving it to the priests in charge of the churches that he was over as the Bishop of Alexandria, of what they were authorised to use for the services, that was the exact same list as I posted above.
Go to Wikipedia and read the articles on Athanasius and the New Testament canon.I accept that Paul mentions the name in Galatians and 1 Corinthians. I don't accept that the same person that Paul mentioned wrote the so-called Epistle of Barnabas.
You accept Barnabas in the Canon of Scripture and reject His words outside of Scripture.The orthodox church, which is why they are called "Roman".
Who did Roman Catholicism "schism" from?edit on 28-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Well, that is just weird that you even think that, in my opinion.
The average Christian does not follow G-d's laws as outlined in the Torah. They do not keep the Sabbath, they do not eat kosher, and they certainly have no qualms about idolatry. They don't celebrate any of the Jewish festivals as G-d commanded. They do, however, celebrate Easter and Christmas, both of which have very strong pagan roots, and are both found nowhere in the Bible. Basically, they toss out G-d's rule book, and use Christ's promises of salvation as an excuse to disobey.
The "such manner" is, according to your post, the "proper manner". So, what is the "celebration" part?
The Sabbath is "celebrated" in such a manner.
Who cares what a Pope said, when the thing already existed before he made a pronouncement on it.
. . . you try to deny Pope Damasus decided the Canon which your KJV Bible contains . . .
So are Mary and Joseph but they were not Catholics.
Athanasius is a recognized Catholic saint . . .
I have several books by Athanasius that I have read. I have all the writings of the Apostolic fathers and the early saints. That is something I started reading thirty years ago, along with early church history and the canons of the church.
I just posted a link with Athanasius' quotes and beliefs. Read them.
I don't. He is an example that is well documented and easy to understand, of someone who had the list of the New Testament books at an early date.
. . . why declare He decided the Canon?
I have in my hand the recognised standard, and authoritative, version of the Epistle of Barnabas, and that blurb that you got from a propaganda web site is not in it.
You don't believe the quote came from Barnabas.
I haven't gotten to those after being discouraged from it by the bogus nature of this list of references you came up with, based on the one that I did check.
The Lord's Day and Sunday worship is written in the Didache (70 A.D.) and I shared Ignatius and Justin Martyr, read their quotes . . .
Saturn is called Chiun in Amos 5:26.
The Hebrew word for Saturn is Shabbtai.
I think you are stuck in superstition and the commandments of men. Jesus came to free us from man-made laws and to teach us that we are directly responsible to God, and no one else. Worshiping a book written by men is idolatry, sorry for having to say that but you need to have a wake-up that God did not write the Old Testament, people did.
What are you, even? And who are you to criticize Christians?
As far as I am concerned, if I read the ten commandments, I can work out the days any way I want
The "such manner" is, according to your post, the "proper manner". So, what is the "celebration" part? And you skipped the part I wanted to know besides that, how you think that Jesus celebrated the Sabbath, since you claimed earlier that he did.
Mark 6:2: And when the sabbath was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were in admiration at his doctrine, saying: How came this man by all these things? and what wisdom is this that is given to him, and such mighty works as are wrought by his hands?
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he was brought up: and he went into the synagogue, according to his custom, on the sabbath day; and he rose up to read.
Luke 4:31 And he went down into Capharnaum, a city of Galilee, and there he taught them on the sabbath days.
Luke 13:10 And he was teaching in their synagogue on their sabbath.
Saturn is called Chiun in Amos 5:26.
Since the word you mentioned is not in the Bible, it was probably picked up later.
Since their sabbath was on Saturday, likely they named the planet that was associated with that day after their sabbath, and not the other way around.
I am familiar with that since I try to read the Hebrew text myself.
Simply peruse the available literature and it's clear that scholars are engaged in a guessing game with each other.